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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: M2 is a sloth..no a salamander..no an aligator..no a bunny!
« on: April 04, 2007, 02:48:44 PM »
Here it is.
Frosti confirms that you deleted a thread shortly after you said that doesn't happen on APK. This is way off topic but you just asked me to post it...so here it is. No harm intended...just the info you wanted.
http://parkour.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5578&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0&start=40
Frosti confirms that you deleted a thread shortly after you said that doesn't happen on APK. This is way off topic but you just asked me to post it...so here it is. No harm intended...just the info you wanted.
http://parkour.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5578&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0&start=40
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: M2 is a sloth..no a salamander..no an aligator..no a bunny!
« on: April 04, 2007, 02:09:54 PM »Quote
As for keeping future things respectful, do you really believe that's what you've?
I've tried. I will certainly try much harder in the future.
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: M2 is a sloth..no a salamander..no an aligator..no a bunny!
« on: April 04, 2007, 01:44:47 PM »
I never apologized for anything. As you can see from the email I stand by everything I've done and said. I don't think name calling helps the situation. It sets a bad example. Here is the email where you can see that I do not apologize, rather I stand by my words and attempt to keep future conversations respectful. I urge you to read it again as it is all still relevant.
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I spent four and a half hours training with Demon and Matt from Colorado. It was a great day. We pushed each others limits and trained really hard. Basically the same fantastic day you would expect from any devoted traceurs that get together. Your name came up a couple times in conversation, and everyone (including me) had very nice things to say about you. That got me thinking about you more. There are a lot of things about you that I respect. Early on you gave me some advice that has stuck with me for two years and that I still pass on to others. You were so wise when we first met, and I know that you still are. Then in Toronto you showed me and a lot of other people what a fun and funny guy you are. I told so many people about your B13 subtitle antics. Also I know that you give a lot to the community. Since I became a leader in the New England scene, I've gained more respect and knowledge about the things you've done and continue to do. I know that you give your time to others. You spend time training with people, you give people rides to jams, and much more that I don't know about. So you can see that I have a great deal of respect for you in several aspects of life.
I'm writing all this because it seems like you despise me, and I don't want that. I promise to be respectful as possible in all my future posts. My views remain the same though. I can't drop any names, but you ought to know that a couple of apk members emailed me recently saying that they were afraid to speak up. They asked me for advice, and I told them that you would respect them more for being brave enough to speak. I know they don't represent the entire community, but even a few people feeling that way is bad.
Finally, I really hope you don't label any future competitions you might have as parkour. I think obstacle coursing would be fantastic, and even I would compete if it were called that! You know that so many people world wide love the non-competitive aspect of parkour. This is especially true for those who live parkour. Calling competitions obstacle coursing rather than parkour could serve your purpose along with that of the world wide community. I hope you consider it.
Mark, please know that I truly do respect you. We just have different views on parkour. I hope you'll read this email and decide to give me as much respect as I will give you in the future. As I did with Demon today, I hope we can meet again to train parkour. No politics, just parkour. I'm sure we would have a good time.
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: M2 is a sloth..no a salamander..no an aligator..no a bunny!
« on: April 04, 2007, 09:42:58 AM »
It is always useful to hear many voices on an issue. For those of you who don't usually venture outside these forums take a moment to hear what others think.
http://parkour.net/parkour/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9130&forum=4&post_id=134781#forumpost134781
http://parkour.net/parkour/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9130&forum=4&post_id=134781#forumpost134781
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: M2 is a sloth..no a salamander..no an aligator..no a bunny!
« on: April 03, 2007, 07:37:56 PM »
Thanks! I'll definitely stick around and focus on working towards solutions rather than just pointing out problems.
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: M2 is a sloth..no a salamander..no an aligator..no a bunny!
« on: April 03, 2007, 03:25:12 PM »
Its nice to see so much good information come out of this topic (from Demon especially). Good work! I'm sure your next attempt at a similar set of drills will be loads better.
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: M2 is a sloth..no a salamander..no an aligator..no a bunny!
« on: April 03, 2007, 09:25:13 AM »
Why does everyone keep talking about the relevance of QM? I politely challenge anyone to show where anyone in this thread said QM was not useful. If you look at my first post, you will see that my problem is not with QM but the specific movements shown in the video. I also politely challenge anyone to show me where I've been condescending. I really didn't appreciate that Gear. Especially after you made a comment like this:
Back on topic...so you guys were tired, you didn't make the video, you didn't have input, its not intended to be the perfect QM training tool. Thats all fine. It seems like we all agree that the final product is not up to par. You guys should do something about it. Talk to CF, get the video edited, or at least get parkour out of the title.
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If there's a faster, more-effective way, I tend to use it, but maybe that's just me Wink- This comment suggests that your method is better than everyone else's. That is the definition of condescending.
Back on topic...so you guys were tired, you didn't make the video, you didn't have input, its not intended to be the perfect QM training tool. Thats all fine. It seems like we all agree that the final product is not up to par. You guys should do something about it. Talk to CF, get the video edited, or at least get parkour out of the title.
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: M2 is a sloth..no a salamander..no an aligator..no a bunny!
« on: April 02, 2007, 05:11:16 PM »
Its a shame that seemingly bad technique got put up on the crossfit homepage for the world to see. Most people who view that won't get the benefit of this discussion to know that Mark was just being safe because he was tired (if that really was the case). They will likely see the title of the video, watch the instructors technique, and think that it is part of parkour. I urge you guys to get that video changed.
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: M2 is a sloth..no a salamander..no an aligator..no a bunny!
« on: April 02, 2007, 03:43:03 PM »
Certainly using a rail or beam is ideal. I don't see how M2's salamander makes any sense on a rail or beam though. As I said his feet and hands are very far apart. If a giant picked him up off the floor in that position and placed him on a rail then he would be laying on his belly. This applies to every frame in the alligator section of the video. His body is simply never set to be on something with a small diameter. It's pretty plain to see.
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: M2 is a sloth..no a salamander..no an aligator..no a bunny!
« on: April 02, 2007, 02:16:06 PM »
Good to hear you've done away with the sloth. Maybe you can get an updated video up.
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The salamander stride is a great conditioning tool, as it challenges every single part of your body. It is also the best way to move long distances on small-diameter objects- Watch it again and imagine a rail underneath mark. It doesn't make any sense. His feet and hands are always wide apart. The diameter of the imaginary object in this case is 5 feet or more. If he were on a rail then his hands and feet should all be on the same line. Try marking a line on the floor with tape and tell the students to keep their palms and toes on the tape. That would simulate a rail better and force the proper form. Hope that helps your class!
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Parkour And Freerunning / Tribe Members no longer part of FiveTen?
« on: April 02, 2007, 01:53:14 PM »
What happened ? Skynative, Frosti, and DeeAnn aren't up on the 5.10 athlete roster?
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: M2 is a sloth..no a salamander..no an aligator..no a bunny!
« on: April 02, 2007, 01:48:39 PM »
@Demon - no need to defend QM with me. I teach it as well. It's an important fundamental to have.
I still question the drills in that video. From your post it seems as though you don't use the salamander or sloth technique ...I wouldn't use those.
I still question the drills in that video. From your post it seems as though you don't use the salamander or sloth technique ...I wouldn't use those.
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it helps students with coordination, body awareness, weight transfer, balance, strength, endurance and more.- true....but this could be said of thousands of different movements. Why teach ones that (in relation to parkour) appear to be so useless? I just don't see how they are applicable to parkour other than a very general sense....in which case more targeted drills would be better. But again enlighten me and I just might add it to my class
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Parkour And Freerunning / M2 is a sloth..no a salamander..no an aligator..no a bunny!
« on: April 02, 2007, 12:39:54 PM »
http://www.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_ParkourQMDrills.mov
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_ParkourQMDrills.wmv
Interesting class you've got going there Mark. I have to be honest, it was pretty funny watching you all go across the floor using those awkward movements. Not trying to be mean, but I couldn't help but laugh.
Anywho, I was wondering if you ever use all those movements in your parkour, or was that more of a crossfit oriented exercise? After talking to a Crossfit gym owner I know you guys like doing things that "suck." Why do you teach movement that does not work well for humans? I understand if that Crossfit's style, but it makes me cringe when the video is labeled as "Crossfit Parkour QM drills." Most of what was shown really has no useful place in parkour. Of course if you think otherwise I'm open to hearing your opinion. As a teacher myself, I am always looking for useful methods.
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_ParkourQMDrills.wmv
Interesting class you've got going there Mark. I have to be honest, it was pretty funny watching you all go across the floor using those awkward movements. Not trying to be mean, but I couldn't help but laugh.
Anywho, I was wondering if you ever use all those movements in your parkour, or was that more of a crossfit oriented exercise? After talking to a Crossfit gym owner I know you guys like doing things that "suck." Why do you teach movement that does not work well for humans? I understand if that Crossfit's style, but it makes me cringe when the video is labeled as "Crossfit Parkour QM drills." Most of what was shown really has no useful place in parkour. Of course if you think otherwise I'm open to hearing your opinion. As a teacher myself, I am always looking for useful methods.
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: PARKOUR NEEDS YOU!
« on: March 23, 2007, 03:49:51 PM »
Depraved - wouldn't you rather this was put on by people who actually practice and have love for the disciplines?
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: PARKOUR NEEDS YOU!
« on: March 23, 2007, 01:49:32 PM »
There is just something about being monitored that doesn't sit right with me.
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: PARKOUR NEEDS YOU!
« on: March 23, 2007, 11:44:54 AM »
Wow I am sick of these parcouring people watching our every move. We are their number one market it seems. They've emailed me saying that they modified their site based on the post I just made here. They say the convention has tricks and the competition has speed instead...but that there will be a tricking competition at a later date. They are trying very hard to look good in our eyes.
Read this Nadia, and stop bothering me and get off my site....I will never be ok with your competition! You are people who know nothing about what we do and are trying to capitalize off of it. You saw a hot youth trend and slapped your cookie cutter business model on it. But then there was backlash because you had no clue what parkour was about. Now you are trying to modify your event to attract as many of us as possible. News Flash! We see right through you! IF the community ever accepts competitions then it will be held by traceurs and not some company like kultos.
I see you've registered on my site. Please do not bother posting.
http://parcouring.willbedefeated.com/
Read this Nadia, and stop bothering me and get off my site....I will never be ok with your competition! You are people who know nothing about what we do and are trying to capitalize off of it. You saw a hot youth trend and slapped your cookie cutter business model on it. But then there was backlash because you had no clue what parkour was about. Now you are trying to modify your event to attract as many of us as possible. News Flash! We see right through you! IF the community ever accepts competitions then it will be held by traceurs and not some company like kultos.
I see you've registered on my site. Please do not bother posting.
http://parcouring.willbedefeated.com/
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: PARKOUR NEEDS YOU!
« on: March 21, 2007, 11:41:06 AM »
Some info on the situation...It looks like kultos is only half way there. They still have things like this on the site:
This doesn't really make sense next to this:
Their goal is to provide a platform for parkour, freerun, and move artistic. From this info it is hard to determine what the competition will be like, but it seems as though it focuses on freerun. Maybe when they say "best and fastest" they mean that you need to be fast and stylish...who knows.
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The goal is to cross different obstacles with cool tricks and stylish techniques.
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In addition, you will see a SHOWRUN, where the coaches show all tricks and moves.
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The idea is to get over different kinds of obstacles either with stylish tricks and/or elegant techniques.
This doesn't really make sense next to this:
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The PARCOURING WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP evaluates the fastest athlete with the most efficient technique.
The fixed path (obstacle course) will have a length of about 100 metres and will be filled with interesting obstacles.
Your condition and creativity are an important fact for this competition.
The best and fastest athlete who gets through the Obstacle Course will be WORLD CHAMPION in this discipline!
Their goal is to provide a platform for parkour, freerun, and move artistic. From this info it is hard to determine what the competition will be like, but it seems as though it focuses on freerun. Maybe when they say "best and fastest" they mean that you need to be fast and stylish...who knows.
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: 2006- The most important event in American Parkour
« on: December 28, 2006, 01:08:15 PM »
Primal Fitness Gym! Most important by far. Although it is only in one specific location, I think this will spark a trend that will cause similar gyms to pop up across the US. Great work M2, gear, whoever else is involved!
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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Hooked On Outdoors Article - A Step Backwards
« on: December 25, 2006, 08:43:15 PM »
Good post. Can't wait to get out and train with you man.