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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Parkour Fear
« on: December 04, 2007, 03:33:22 PM »
Agreed.  That article was an excellent meditation on fear.  Thanks for the link, Muhammad.

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Parkour Fear
« on: December 03, 2007, 07:14:23 PM »
I understand where you're coming from, geekman.  I don't have a gym to train in, so I find almost all my training done outside wherever I can go or wherever I am at the moment.  I just suffered my first major fall.  I was training some cats on a low wall yesterday and I didn't focus, so I messed up big time, slammed into the ground hand-first, and sprained it but good.  I tried training some basic one-handed vaults this morning, but I've found myself reluctant to follow through.  I know in my head that I can clear the obstacles, but my muscles freeze up when it comes time to jump.  It's very frustrating.

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Novice crews - analysis?
« on: November 28, 2007, 09:11:35 PM »
Don't mix up "not being the teacher" with "not teaching." Like my quote! Everyone is a teacher. Everyone is a student. Everyone is a.. doer.. Ah-chem. You get the idea. :)

Okay, good point.  I ended up showing them what I know tonight, and my experiences, along with the caveat that it might not be the best way for them to do it.

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: The pursuit of...
« on: November 28, 2007, 08:36:17 PM »
I was first drawn to parkour because I wanted to move like we should be able to move, how we'd forgotten how to move.  Now that I've read up on it and have begun the practice itself, I am most driven (at the risk of sounding like another stereotypical mystical Asian) to perfect the self by mastering the body.

As a kid growing up, I never got very much into sports, preferring books and computers.  I recently realized that it was because I'd only thought of the wrong sports.  Non-competitive sports, or rather self-competitive sports are just my bag: biking, swimming, martial arts, sword training. And parkour exemplifies this quality as well.  When I am learning to perfect my landings, I am learning to control every muscle in my body not so that I can do it better than someone else, but so that I can get one step closer to complete mastery over my self.

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Novice crews - analysis?
« on: November 28, 2007, 05:47:07 PM »
Thanks for the sage advice.

If you have barely started and you say they are trusting you about teaching them, I would say dont teach them.
Like (I think) Ozzi said, don't assume the role of teacher.
2. Stay aware of the fact that there is a difference between being the organizational leader of a group (e.g. gathering information, planning training sessions, developing schedules, etc.) and being the "teacher."

This the best piece of advice that you guys could have given me.  In retrospect, it seems rather obvious, but I suppose I had to hear it from someone else.  I'm kinda wired to think in terms of a teacher: I hold that I don't really know anything until I can explain it to a reasonably bright eighth grader.  So not teaching didn't occur to me until you guys pointed it out.  :P

The help of having an experienced traceur to coach you is something that is very very valuable. I highly recommend you seek out practicing traceurs in your two areas, and begin training with them if at all possible.
That being said, if you ever get the chance to train with experienced traceurs, do it! Even now, every time I train with someone better than me, I learn a ton.
It will help you and your group immensely to train with more experienced traceurs from time to time, just to kind of get a glimpse of where you might be headed.

I plan to.  I know TXPK has groups training in both Houston and Austin, but I've not contacted them just yet.  I won't be able to make any Austin Parkour training sessions any time soon, nor Houston Parkour ones for a few weeks.  But I definitely plan on showing up and training with Austin Parkour sometime in January.

Parkour And Freerunning / Novice crews - analysis?
« on: November 27, 2007, 10:29:04 PM »
So, I just started training for parkour two weeks ago, and I'm still getting some fundamentals down.  I've read a lot of theory, watched many tutorial videos, trying to educate myself as much as I can not just about how to execute common parkour moves, but how to effectively communicate this knowledge to other people.  I've put together two different crews, both composed of friends and acquaintances who have never practiced it before.  There is one crew in each of the two cities I split my time between.

Soon it will be time to begin training with both of them.  I've prepped them by sending them video tutorials of basic landings and rolls, and I plan to continue sending out videos of stuff relevant to what we're doing during our training sessions.  I figure our curriculum will for now consist of theory, landings, and rolls, with precisions and balance exercises thrown in a little later.  All the while, there will be strength conditioning and endurance training.  I figure one of our goals will end up being able to do the APK warm up in a certain amount of time, which we will agree upon together.

I foresee a few major advantages of training with a novice crew.  We will be able to advance in skill at relatively the same rate.  Having a more advanced traceur teach these things we novices may otherwise "discover" together could cut down on the amount of camaraderie and bonding within the group.  Plus, since we all already know each other, the crews won't have to go through that initial awkward getting-to-know-you phase.

On the down side, no matter how much reading I do, there will be times where I will fall short where a more experienced traceur will shine.  There will be many times where I am genuinely wrong, and since I'm assuming the role of de facto leader, I may be messing them up as well.  There will also be the setback of not having someone in person show us the movements we would like to learn, nor someone to point out flaws in our basic forms.  And the progression of our training may be completely off as well.

So, here's where I throw it open to discussion.  Am I going about this correctly?  Are there difficulties that I am not foreseeing, and if so, how can I compensate for them?  Are there advantages that I have not thought of that I might try to capitalize upon?  Is my basic curriculum right for the first part of our training?  I feel like the blind leading the blind.  Any advice would be appreciated.

Also, holy crap, I can't believe people are going to be trusting me to teach them something I'm just barely grasping!  Frightening!

Parkour / Re: Beginner-Questions on roll and jump
« on: November 27, 2007, 07:02:00 AM »
i am also new to parkour and just starting to feel confident with my rolls. i have to say if i had found ur tutorial before it would have saved me lots of accidents. onestly the best i have ever seen. thank you

Quoted for truth.

I, too, am a beginner running with a novice crew.  Your tutorial is the most thorough, detailed, and precise one I've seen.  The way you break down all the movements is extremely helpful.  Yours and Team Ukemi's are the two tuts I recommended to the guys I train with.

Injuries - Discussion / Re: Pain in heel of hand - rest or adjust form?
« on: November 26, 2007, 11:46:02 AM »
Yeah, anything where you put pressure on your feet/hands will help to shore them up just like conditioning helps to shore up the joints. Handstands are great in that regard for the hands while you might need some weight for your feet.

Thanks for the advice.  I'm still working on handstands.  I don't quite have the balance or upper body strength for it yet.

you probably need to learn to absorb the landing better with your posterior chain.

Is there a thread, tut, or vid that I can view to do this?

Injuries - Discussion / Re: Pain in heel of hand - rest or adjust form?
« on: November 25, 2007, 02:00:30 AM »
Thanks a bunch to all who replied.

Schuby, I've yet to start training kongs, as I'm still working on more basic vaults like lazies and speeds.  But I'll definitely keep that in mind when I do start kongs, since I've been wondering how I'd even get started.

Steve, the pain does feel like contusions, and they've started in the balls of my feet as well, since I practiced a few landings barefoot on hardwood.  Just to be safe, though, I'll lay off on training as you suggested.

I'm a pretty small and thin guy (5'-6.5", 128 lbs) who bruises pretty easily, but I'm by no means anemic.  Are there any tips or tricks that may help me toughen myself against further bruising in the palms and feet?

Injuries - Discussion / Pain in heel of hand - rest or adjust form?
« on: November 24, 2007, 05:45:35 PM »
Hey all.  I am very new to parkour, having only started training on my own two weeks ago.  In the last few days, I have been having some minor to middling pain in the heels of my hands when I press them on a broad surface.  For the most part, I've ignored this and continued training.  Today being a rest day, I thought about it a bit more and figured I should ask some more experienced traceurs about this.  I've searched through the injury forum, and the wrist and hand injury threads have mostly been about wrist sprains and other wrist injuries, which is not what I'm looking for.

First: when I land, I come down on the heels of my hands to push back to a running position.  Should I be using my hands differently?  I also don't give very much at the elbows, as I feel that this negates the benefits of bracing with the hands.  (Nor do I lock the elbows -- that's suicide!)  Neither the APK tutorial nor other landing tutorials I've found have said anything about this.

Also: is this significant enough an injury to seek a health professional?  Is this significant an injury to lay off the landings and vaults for a while?  I'd rather not, as I enjoy training quite a bit.

I appreciate any advice my senior traceurs might be able to give me.

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