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Parkour And Freerunning / Re: true pk/fr for serious traceurs
« on: December 08, 2009, 07:54:23 AM »
ya i think we are on the exact same page! you basically described the way im feeling.  i am so down for another TX jam you have no idea!!!

Actually, there's gonna be a workshop in Fort Worth on 16 Jan.  I'm willing to bet there will be a jam somewhere in town that weekend.  If you're interested, I'll keep you posted.

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: true pk/fr for serious traceurs
« on: December 07, 2009, 09:42:05 PM »
Chris, thank you for writing this.  I'm glad that you've stuck around to keep OKPK going.  I understand what you mean by a lot of new people not getting the spirit of parkour — using training time as a social time instead of actually training.  It's frustrating, isn't it?  Especially when you have new people, out for the first or second time, and they keep getting distracted by others who don't want to train.  You want so much to tell the others to go away, so that you can actually instruct properly.  But it's hard to do that while still letting them choose their own path.

I've had a lot of the same experiences with Parkour Austin.  Because I've always offered training sessions for free, I find it difficult to convince fledglings that they're not ready to take impacts.  I can talk all I want about the dangers, about form and silence, but in the end they'll do what they want to do.  It's highly aggravating to see fledglings make the same mistakes you did and possibly end up worse.  Dealing with teenagers and college-aged students as I do, it's hard to convince them that they're not invincible. 

I read on the training thread that you're currently healing from a lower body injury.  I myself have had to take a hiatus from training for the past several months to recuperate from an injury, and it's led me to completely reëxamine the way I train.  I'd already taken a conservative approach to training, doing much conditioning.  But the more I read, the more I realize that the way I've been teaching the guys to train not be the best yet.  I keep discovering over and over again that I'm very much a novice, and that I've so much more to learn.  What I thought were the basics in training wasn't even basic enough.  Once I'm back in shape, I'm gonna try to start a new take on training that I hope will be more convincing to the kids I train with.

Keep up the good work, man.

Also, when are you gonna bring OKPK down to train with us in Texas again?  Been a while since we trained together.

Diet / Re: Sugar vs Salt
« on: December 07, 2009, 06:09:44 PM »
Just eat food in their natural state.  If you feel the need to make something sweeter, add fruits.  If you want something saltier, add something saltier.

Diet / Re: I need help
« on: December 07, 2009, 10:52:39 AM »
+1 for reading all the articles.  Well, +1 if we still had the karma system.

Jake's hit it on the nose.  Just start by eating clean — no processed crap, and foods in the state as close as possible to its natural state as possible (within reason).

You'll also notice that it is much cheaper to eat clean, and that there's amazing variety.  Go to your local supermarket and browse through the produce section.  If something looks interesting, buy it and try it.  You can find recipes online for just about any ingredient you find.  It's exactly the right time to be adventurous with your diet.  Even better, go explore your local farmer's market and talk to local farmers, ask them about interesting foods, and get to know them.

Let me start off by saying that I'm fed up.
I see what you did there.

Injuries - Discussion / Re: Patellofemoral dysfuction
« on: December 06, 2009, 09:49:58 PM »
And you should read my writeup albeit VERY long.

It will walk you through how to evaluate your tissues (part 3&4 at least -- 1&2 is how problems develop) and help you fix this. I mention some specific work for patellofemoral as well.

What your PT/doc suggested is just the standard advice. The stuff I recommend is much more comprehensive than that.

Let me know your results when you analyze your own body tissues with the above article.

Thanks, Steve.  I read through the first two sections when you published them, but haven't had time to read through the rest.  I'll keep you posted.

Injuries - Discussion / Patellofemoral dysfuction
« on: December 05, 2009, 06:32:00 PM »
Chris suggested I write this up and ask Steve for help, though I haven't had time to do so for a while.  So here goes:

I impacted my right knee back in August during a missed speed vault, and it's been hurting since.  The injury has caused me considerable pain directly under the patella during activities like climbing stairs or squatting — anything where I need to exert pressure on a knee with more than about 15º flexion.  In addition, when I am prone and curling my leg to my chest, it hurts through the more curled portions of that range of motion.  This is not true when I am standing.

I've seen a doctor about this thrice.  The first time was in September with a general practitioner; he told me to to stay off of it and come back if it didn't feel better.  The second time was in October with a sports medicine doctor; she told me to try squats and leg presses, which I hurt me and I discontinued.  The third time this past week, she noticed the quadriceps starting to atrophy and referred me to a PT, whom I'll start seeing Thursday.

The pain has been getting better over the months, and I'm regaining more range of motion that doesn't hurt.  The PT told me to ice it once a day for 15 minutes.  The sports med doctor told me to do some quad sets, extending the knee and tensing the quadriceps for about ten seconds at a time.  Do these sound reasonable?  Is there anything else I should be looking into?

My left knee was also injured for some time.  When my right knee was first injured, I tried doing some pistols on the left knee.  After a few, something… unpleasant happened.  As I was driving back up, it felt like something in the knee burst, and then I was in a lot of pain.  It hurt for several weeks afterwards (more than a month), and I'd been staying away from bending my knees at all.  I haven't yet assessed its strength since I got most of my mobility back, and I've been very hesitant to try, as I fear reïnjuring it.  Is this something I should be careful about?  How can I speed along its rehabilitation so that I can get back into training?  I haven't done a simple precision in ages, much less a cat pass or arm jump or turn vault.

Paleo February actually sounds like a lot of fun.

Diet / Re: Gatorade
« on: December 01, 2009, 06:54:03 AM »
Would'nt putting a couple teaspoons of table salt in my water help that? It would be less expensive; tap water and salt. Maybe not quite as tasty as gatorade but the same effects, right? I guess that depends on the concentration of salt?

I'm pretty sure you aren't at the level where you should be worrying about electrolyte loss.  Just drink lots of water and eat healthily, and you should be fine.

Sun 29 Nov 2009

Too busy with school to train.

Mon 30 Nov 2009

Effin' tired from schoolwork. Gonna do two blocks anyway.

EDT block 1: 39 ring push ups + 37 knees to elbows (+6/+5)

EDT block 2: 31 PPPU negatives + 46 inverted rows (+7/+15)

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: is there anybody?
« on: November 30, 2009, 05:13:00 PM »
While most of its traffic is Americans, we're a very open community. (Except when it comes to grammar)

I think I just got trolled.  I don't care; I had to correct it.

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: How high can you safely land barefoot?
« on: November 30, 2009, 07:52:53 AM »
I do however understand your point about encouraging others to do something that is likely to result in injury.  And agree that most people attempting to train this would probably do damage to themselves.  But I still think there exists a method of doing so that is very mechanically clever and much safer than what most people are doing.  But if you wish I will refrain from discussion on the boards ;)

Actually, I think it would be beneficial to discuss this on an open forum.  Would you like to elaborate on this method?

Sorry for the terse response; gotta catch a bus to campus.

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: How high can you safely land barefoot?
« on: November 29, 2009, 08:22:42 PM »
Practically every doctor I've talked to tells me not to do squats because they damage my knees too.  "Doing squats" and "jumping off of things" are not sufficient to describe what you are doing.  There are safe methods of doing squats, and I'm sure there are safe methods of doing landings.  In your example of equating a six foot drop to a six foot box jump, you are assuming he is absorbing all of the energy with his legs.  The entire point of training these things is to develop the mechanics necessary to absorb what you can with your legs and push the rest off to be absorbed in a roll.

This may be true.  I'm very much open to the idea that good form rolls can mitigate long-term damage to parkour practitioners' knees when taking falls from height.  However, I'm not aware of any scientific study that says one way or the other.  So I err on the side of caution, and where there has been study: jumping off things and damaging your knees.  Once again, if you can point me toward literature that supports your claim, I'll be happy to review it.

The bit about doctors telling you not to do squats is a bit misleading.  Doctors see the patients who get knee problems from squats, but not the people who don't develop knee problems from squats.  One must keep in mind that doctors are not infallible.  The majority of doctors are specialists in what they know and work with every day, and the majority of them don't work specifically with weight training.  Done with proper form, the squat is a safe technique (see Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe).  Most knee problems from squats come from poor form — bad tracking of the knee over the foot, improper stance width or foot angle, insufficient depth, etc.

In addition, it's not a valid argument to say that because one presumably unsafe technique has a safe method of execution, then a different one does as well.  You're basically handwaving the responsibility of actually supplying a safe technique, leaving the reader to go out and try to find it if it exists.  This is harmful because you're promoting a line of action that has shown poor success while affirming that he will not get hurt.

Once again, if you can supply literature that supports a safe landing technique, I'll be happy to review it and reëxamine my stance.  Until then, I'd appreciate it if you did not encourage people to get hurt.

Movement / Re: rolling trouble
« on: November 29, 2009, 04:14:45 PM »
I'm guessing you didn't read anything I said.  Thanks for wasting my time.

Movement / Re: rolling trouble
« on: November 29, 2009, 12:38:34 PM »
First, search through the movement forums to see if your problem has been covered.  Try out some of the suggestions already there.  If nothing works, then post a topic — in that forum, not this one — detailing exactly how you're having trouble with the movement.  Why do you feel it's imperfect?  What problems are you experiencing?  Where does it hurt?  What have you tried?  What other techniques have you considered?

Vague topics like this are very difficult to answer because it gives us nothing to work with.  It makes people want to ignore it instead of helping.  Show that you've put in your effort, and people will want to help you.

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: Instructional DVD's?
« on: November 29, 2009, 12:16:18 PM »

Some guys are the same way.


I've experienced much the same reäction from men and women.  Haters, as they say, gonna hate.  Just ignore the haters and do your own thing.

On the same note, I don't believe you should stop telling people you train parkour.  I mean, you don't need to preach it, but if it comes up, there's no reason to shy away from it.  It's part of who you are.  Those whose opinion matter will take it as just that — only one portion of the whole you.  Those who stick to an opinion based on only one aspect of you, chances are you don't want to be their friends anyway.

Sat 28 Nov 2009

Tried to GTG pull ups today, but extremely sore and feeling a little weaker then usual.  Worried about underrecovery, especially since I'm not getting enough sleep.  Terminated GTG.  Spend rest of day resting and shoving as many calories into my mouth as possible.

Parkour And Freerunning / Re: i need advice
« on: November 28, 2009, 10:19:43 PM »
I'm not looking for flips because flips are not parkour. i'm looking for more types of vaults, wallruns, or any railtricks.

While I'll agree that flips are not in themselves efficient, they can be very helpful for anyone who wants better control of his body.  Knowing how to right yourself in midair can be very helpful if you're taking an unexpected fall.  Plus, you develop better proprioception by learning to flip.

Diet / Re: How do these people get on national television?
« on: November 28, 2009, 10:40:48 AM »
Tell people whatever it is they need to hear to think they think its just fine to sit inside all day and eat bonobos

This is how I misparsed it.

I stopped it halfway in as well.  It made me want to kick small children across the room.

Wed 25 Nov 2009 and Thu 26 Nov 2009

No training. Total rest, letting the hip heal.

Fri 27 Nov 2009

EDT block 1: 33 ring push ups + 32 knees to elbows (+3/+4)

EDT block 2: 24 PPPU negatives + 31 inverted rows (baseline)

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