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General Fitness / Cross Training for Parkour
« on: July 09, 2012, 08:55:28 PM »
               In the short time that I have been training I have heard the question “What is a good background to have before starting Parkour?” many times. The obvious answer is “It doesn’t matter. “ Parkour is first and foremost a method of training to overcome obstacles in one’s path. (1) It has never required anything other than a person willing to push themselves to do things that society may have deemed unacceptable. That is one of the most wonderful things about the discipline. However, their may be some activities that natrully help with Parkour.
               There will never be a need for additional training to be a good traceur. There are many people that only train by doing Parkour and are great at it. Some would even argue that it is redundant to train for training. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with practicing other sports, disciplines, training techniques, etc. to get better at Parkour. If Parkour is designed to create functional strength that fulfills the ethos “etre forte, etre utile” why stop at Parkour?
             In general, cross training is beneficial to the human body. According to the AMMA journal “[training] variations trigger new neuro-muscular adaptations or, in other words, new pathways from the brain to the muscles.” (2) These new connections allow the muscles to work faster and more efficiently. Cross training also reduces stress on joints and bones by changing the direction and amount of force applied to the bodyThis change of direction can be good to facilitate recovery. Runners, for example, use cross training to stay in shape after an injury. According to Runners World Magazine when you get injured “cross-training comes to the rescue in two ways: by helping runners maintain fitness despite being forced to run less or not at all and by correcting the cause of the injury.” (3) (Please remember if you receive an injury to seek medical advice before starting any more training.)
             Parkour should increase your success at many activities and the effect works both ways. If playing basketball increases your vertical jump and stamina, which translates well to Parkour, why wouldn’t practicing Parkour, something that also increases your vertical jump and stamina, make you a better basketball player?
               Many traceurs come from various backgrounds. Billy Hughes of the Tribe has a competitive diving background which makes his flips spectacular. Many have wished they had the upper body strength Tim ‘Livewire’ Sheiff gained from his break dancing experience. Dylan Baker has amazing skills on a slackline. Ryan Doyle has Martial Arts experience and ‘Frosti’ Zernow has taken up rock climbing to increase upper body strength for American Ninja Warrior.
                Even David Belle practiced Kung Fu. This was not necessarily to better his Parkour but I’m sure the two activities were mutually beneficial to each other. On top of that Traceurs all over the world are using weight training to better prepare their bodies for the physically demanding portions of Parkour.
                Consider what exactly you are trying to improve when doing Parkour. Parkour Generations’ Dan Edwards  says “Parkour aims to develop … the critical elements of coordination, body control, agility, strength, balance, spatial awareness, accuracy, timing, speed, rhythm and the sensitivity which comes from  practice, all of which are core to overall functional fitness.”(4) Many sports can improve these things. In my opinion there are few, if any; activities better at developing all of these attributes simultaneously than Parkour but, that isn’t to say other sports would not be useful in enhancing these attributes. Ozzi the founder of Hawaii Parkour says this about the subject “anything that challenges your body in any way will definitely help you, not only in Parkour but many other aspects of your life.”             
                As I mentioned earlier there are Martial Artists, break dancers, competitive divers, rock climbers, and slackliners. There are also weight lifters, yogis, runners, soccer players, gymnasts, and even basketball players who practice Parkour. Most of which would say that their sports background helped them in some way.
                Over the next year I will cross train in some complementary sport/discipline for one to two months. At the beginning of every new sport I will write an article giving an overview of the sport, what it should help increase, my workout plan, baseline measurements, and goals that I will try to achieve during my time practicing. My goals will be based on increasing my proficiency in Parkour skills and foci (using the American Parkour definition) as well as my “usefulness” in life.
After I complete the allotted time for each activity I will write a follow-up post about how it helped me, whether or not I achieved my goals, variations I took in the training routine I laid out, final thoughts and anecdotal evidence which I will attempt to keep as scientific as possible. In addition to all this I will also detail how, in my opinion, Parkour training helped with that activity.   
 
Note: I have always believed that Parkour is a personal discipline. I cannot tell you how to train and am not trying to get you to sign up for gymnastics classes. Nobody has Parkour training down to an exact science. There are good and bad things about every school of thought. In the case of cross training, American Parkour and PK Generations both support Cross Training to some degree. (5) Again this is one path and you don’t have to believe in its validity or results, just as I don’t have to be held back by views about the usefulness of other activities to train for Parkour.

I expect to have an activity picked and goals posted by Friday!

Please discuss. What do you think about my plan? Am I full of crap or do you think that my idea has merit? Any suggestions about what I should train first or later? Be as specific as you want. I would love to see some quality discussion.

   
Sources:
(5) Edwards, Dan. "Off The Wall - Articles | Parkour Generations." Off The Wall - Articles | Parkour Generations. Parkour Generations, n.d.   
                     Web. 13 June 2012. <http://www.parkourgenerations.com/article/wall>;.
 
(4) Edwards, Dan. "Parkour as Functional Fitness." Parkour as Functional Fitness - Articles | Parkour Generations. Parkour Generations, 
                     n.d. Web. 13 June 2012. <http://www.parkourgenerations.com/article/parkour-functional-fitness-through-movement>;.
 
(3) Fitzgerald, Matt. "Eight Benefits Of Cross-Training." Runners World Aug. 2004: n. pag. Www.runnersworld.com. Web. 13 June 2012.
                       <http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-263--7420-1-1-2,00.html>.
 
(2) Krause, Paul. "The Benifits of Cross-Training." AAMA Journal (2009)
                   Attachments and other options: n. pag. Web. 13 June 2012. <http://www.ttmg.net/sites/default/files/Cross- 
                   Training%20Article.pdf>;.
 
(1) Toorock, Mark. "What Is Parkour?" American Parkour. N.p., 12 Oct. 2009. Web. 13 June 2012.   
                   <http://www.americanparkour.com/learn/faq-english/faq/155/221-what-is-parkour>;.

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Pics & Vids / DC Madness - The Tribe
« on: June 25, 2012, 02:29:50 AM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p-i1tpazEk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p-i1tpazEk</a>

One of my new favorite videos! I love how there is awesome movement without them having to be 30 ft in the air. 

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Kansas / People in Kansas City
« on: June 20, 2012, 08:34:58 AM »
Hey is anyone in Kansas city area? I know someone who moved there recently and was looking for some contacts?

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Parkour / Getting feet up
« on: February 27, 2012, 05:07:22 PM »
So I've been working on kongs for a while and I'm ok but I'll never be able to get the distance I want without fixing my feet.

 I understand the difference between a punch and a split foot take off but I can't get my feet up. Some people I've seen can get their feet almost 45 degrees from their head. Mine can't go beyond maybe 15-20 at best. What can I do to get my feet up?

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General Fitness / Lower body workout help.
« on: December 07, 2011, 11:19:43 PM »
So I feel like I've wasted a lot of time going randomly to the gym and doing exercises with no reason other than they are leg exercises.

My goals are:
1. Higher Vert. (I haven't measured for a long time but I would like to add 6 in.)
2. Greater distance (I don't really know what is a reasonable distance to add)
3. More power for things like flips and precision. 
4. Strengthen Knee to prevent injury (I'm not taking any big drops I just want to protect myself.)
5. Strengthen Ankle to prevent injury (same thing as above)

Currently

I squat once a week with a 10 5 5 5 plan. The last rep should be difficult. It's how I did it in high school but I'm not sure if that was right.
I haven't maxed out since HS and I really don't remember how. I have dead lifted once (wasn't sure if I was doing it right and just never looked it up). I generally do hang clean and power clean. Same set scheme just less weight. O I run (on a treadmill) once a week. All of this in addition to sparatic Parkour training.

And since I know that goals are supposed to be time sensitive I want to say by late March.

Any help would be great. Please don't say "just get starting strength." I don't have the money for that right now. I did try to search but I couldn't find anything. Ideas? Please and thank you.   

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Training Journals / Patrick's training log (comments welcome)
« on: December 02, 2011, 02:07:19 PM »
So I'm starting one of these. I want to try and train something every day I'll eventually start adding my diet here as well.

Yesterday I went and trained outside. Drlled vaults, tick tac to cats, climbups an nailed a mini course I've been failing for a semester.

Then I went to the gym after being gone for month.
Squat 115 x 10
           125 x 5
           135 x 5
           145 x 5(all easy I just took it easy after being out so long)
             Between each set I stretched and did 5 pull ups
Deadlifted for the first time
Warm up with bar
 95 x 5
135 X 5
Not much but I have never done it before and had no idea where to start.
Then because I didn't want to stop
Two sets of 10 curls with 70lbs
10 bw dips followed by 9 dips bw+15 and ten more bw and 10 pull ups
Then ABS with oblique v ups with 25 lbs 50 leg raises  and l-sit for Max time. Don't know what that I cause I didn't have a timer.

Then went upstairs and worked on rolls, handstands, and wall flips.

So I know that this is very messed up. If I had more money I would buy starting strength or Stevens book but I don't. Anyone have any tips for me as far as weight training goes. Are there any good free workouts I can follow online.

And I know that I'm not supposed to work everything in one day but it felt great to be doing something and I couldn't stop.

O and I'll add my measurements when I can take them. Resting BP and HR weight height and so day cholesteral and bf percent.

Also are hang cleans effective I like doing them but do they serve a purpose? And are jump squats dangerous or useful?
 

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Parkour And Freerunning / "Être fort pour être utile"?
« on: September 04, 2011, 05:30:14 PM »
"Être fort pour être utile" we have all herd it and we have all herd about the connections between Georges Hébert and Parkour. More specifically Hébert's "méthode naturelle" and "parcours d'entrainement."

Everyone always claims that doing Parkour makes them more useful. In actuality how many of us have taken the time to judge how useful we really are? What skills besides Parkour do you have? If you lived in New Orleans, Joplin MO or in one of the states flooded by hurricane Irene would you really be that useful? In an emergency situation could you administer basic first aid, could you help someone with a broken foot get out of harms way, could you carry an unconscious person to safety?

Even in everyday life if you were walking down the street could you stop a mugging or a sexual assault? Could you provide accurate descriptions of people to the police, change a tire or administer the Heimlech maneuver. Just because you can get someplace doesn't make you useful. In many cases it makes you another liability to emergency services. A liability that is not worth the risk to anyone unless you are doing some good.

I say all this not to dissuade you from training in Parkour to be useful. In fact I am trying to do just the opposite. We as traceurs and traceuses have the ability to do a lot of good. In an emergency situation we could safely reach areas that many people are not trained to do without help or specialized equipment. (Only in extreme emergencies should this be attempted!) Because of this we should be prepared for such an event. So go sign up for more training. Take a search and rescue class, take basic first aid, sign up for your local CERT. Even learning basic survival skills can be the difference between being an asset and a liability.

How useful are you? Do you know any first aid, are you trained in self defense, do you know how to safely judge if you can move a person, can you provide basic necessities (i.e food, water, shelter and first aid) for yourself or others. Are you a certified lifeguard, do you have a plan for what you are going to do if disaster strikes? Does your family know your plan? To those of you with kids this is especially important.

I'm not saying that you have to be able to do all of these things. In the end you decide what is useful to you. So tell us. How useful are you? They don't have to be listed here it can be as simple as knowing how to change a tire all the way to how to treat a sucking chest wound. Tell us what you can do that would be useful in an emergency and tell us what you could do to make yourself more useful.   

Here are some good links:
Red Cross training locator: http://www.redcross.org/portal/site/en/menuitem.d8aaecf214c576bf971e4cfe43181aa0/?vgnextoid=46de1a53f1c37110VgnVCM1000003481a10aRCRD&vgnextfmt=default

CERT locations and information: http://www.citizencorps.gov/cert/

FEMA information: http://www.fema.gov/plan/index.shtm

Here is my skill list: Basic first aid with some advanced skills, ability to carry a person safely and decide if it's necessary to do so, basic woodland survival (i.e. hunting, making fire, building shelter, direction finding), Martial Arts training, proficient with many types of firearms (Rifle, pistol, shotgun), construction knowledge including electrical systems, welding, and basic mechanic skills.

Some of the things i'm doing to make myself more useful are: taking a wilderness survival course through the army ROTC at my college as a refresher, training to become a lifeguard, searching for more first aid classes, trying to get stronger in everything I already do preparing to sign up for CERT.       

Also feel free to discuss how useful Parkour really is or isn't or does or doesn't make you more useful.

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Parkour And Freerunning / Parkour in the Dictionary
« on: August 28, 2011, 07:22:02 PM »
     If you all recall a back in 2010 Parkour was added to the Oxford English Dictionary. At the time one could not find the definition given to it by the fellows at OED for free on line. To refresh your memory click http://www.americanparkour.com/component/content/article/1-latest/5825-parkour-added-to-the-dictionary                                                             

    Now the definition is available.  According to the OED Parkour is "the activity or sport of moving rapidly through an area, typically in an urban environment, negotiating obstacles by running , jumping, and climbing."

   Before you get to excited there is another definition that was recently added to Webster's dictionary. That definition is as follows "the sport of traversing environmental obstacles by running, climbing or leaping rapidly and efficiently."
 
    The questions I pose to all of you is simple. Do either of these definitions match what you think Parkour is? This shouldn't turn into a heated debate over what Parkour is just discuss what the dictionaries could have done better. Also, which definition, if any, follows what the founders wanted Parkour to be? Lastly, which definition do you think most closely resembles the APK community definition which is found here
http://www.americanparkour.com/learn/faq-english/faq/155/221-what-is-parkour

   So go ahead tell us what you think of the definitions. Or if you think Parkour even needs a definition.

(Note to Mods: Mark wants this topic hear just make sure that it stays about the questions above and that no one attacks anyone else for their opinions or for re-stating them. I'll delete the txt in parentheses after a day so that it looks clean.)

     

                 


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In the Media / World's Dumbest
« on: April 02, 2011, 07:16:42 AM »
So this is right up there with the 1000 ways to die.
Worlds dumbest on "Tru TV" just what we need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JME3oF76zs


I'm touched though generally they don't have full mini segments dedicated to one sport. 

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Missouri / Rolla PK in Springfield
« on: March 19, 2011, 08:28:46 PM »
So I'm posting this here in case anyone in springfield wants to meet up. We plan on being at founders park Friday at around two for a very long time. If you want to meet up there. PM me and let me know to expect you. There will be two of us for sure and hopefully two others. Hope to see someone there.

 

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Parkour / Lazy Turn?
« on: March 17, 2011, 05:07:52 PM »
Has anyone every heard of this vault before. It just looks like a combination of a lazy vault and a turn vault.

It's at 1:07 here ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZhgIn4iVzg

Any tips on doing it. If so how about teaching it. I have a kid that really wants to learn it and I can't find a good tutorial. (I did teach him a climb up from a cat so he can do that now a lot easier.)

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Parkour And Freerunning / Julie Angel Blog and Book
« on: March 15, 2011, 07:53:26 PM »
So most of you have probably heard of Julie Angle. She has made a lot of parkour videos showcasing many of the greats in Europe. Apparently she is getting a P.H.D in Parkour to do so she is writing a book. Here is a preview in her blog. I'd like to see some interesting discussion about this. Let's keep it civil.

http://www.julieangel.com/blog.html#id20   

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Pics & Vids / Pick
« on: March 10, 2011, 09:27:27 PM »
So two things.

One, this doesn't look like it's very difficult but it's about 12ft tall. This wall is pretty close to my limit. Whats odd is I did it one day no problem and then yesterday and today I couldn't get the distance up the wall.

Two, I was very tired and sore. I had trained hard for two days in a row so my legs were not up to their full power.

I'm showing you this because I pushed myself and I think it showed in the picture. I was pretty proud that I was able to do that.

So without further adieu.


So I look kind of intense. anyway comments?
 

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Missouri / Rolla Parkour
« on: March 08, 2011, 11:34:57 AM »
     So again another announcement. My friend and I are starting Rolla Parkour.

    Rolla Parkour's mission is "To ensure the discipline of Parkour is communicated effectively to the citizens of Rolla and central Missouri and to provide a safe, friendly environment in which to learn."

   I felt that with the people in Rolla already "practicing parkour" it was necessary to release early. There is a group of people that Smaran and I met after deciding to start this organization that feel parkour is "all about getting on roofs." I don't believe anyone wants it portrayed that way.

   We will be working all week to get our Facebook page how we want it. Expect more news in the coming weeks as well as news of our first Jam by the end of April. If you (is anyone still here?) has any questions or live in the Rolla area and are looking for training partners send me an email at pkwitbrod@gmail.com or visit our facebook page (under construction) at http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Rolla-Parkour/169939103036199?sk=info please add us. We appreciate any and all support.

Thanks

Patrick Witbrod
Rolla Parkour Founder       
 

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In the Media / Another college article
« on: March 03, 2011, 08:23:13 AM »
So this was written by my training partner. It's good publicity but not perfect there really hasn't been a perfect article that I've seen. It's good for us though because we are trying to get set up to launch Rolla parkour and we'll need more people over the summer.

Anyway just give your thoughts as usual. ( o and 10 to 15 includes people that just come and watch there are only 6 that train.) also you get to see a pic of me.  :)
http://mominer.mst.edu/2011/03/03/not-just-running/



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National Jams / American Rendezvous 2!!!!
« on: March 01, 2011, 12:42:34 PM »
http://www.parkourgenerations.com/global/american-rendezvous-2


Just posted today on there new website. Thought I would share. Well worth the push-ups.

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Parkour And Freerunning / 1000 muscle up challenge at PkGens.
« on: November 30, 2010, 05:02:24 PM »
http://www.parkourgenerations.com/naoki.php

I just thought that this was neat of them to try especially for a good cause.

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Diet / another supplement thread
« on: November 02, 2010, 08:21:17 AM »
I did use the search bar for vitamins and for supplements. Most pages had something about them so it was impossible to wade through all of them. This is the new one I made.

So I have been doing research on vitamens and supplements for the last couple day and decided that I should take the following

Fish-oil
Glucosamine
a multi-vitamin
and possibly MSM.

Fish oil for obvious reasons, Glucosamine for joint health. I am a lot more active then I used to be and have had knee and ankle trouble for a lot of my life. I have corrected my walking, shoes and I will start strength training as soon as the bone bruise on my knee goes away (not parkour related injury. I ran it into the corner of a table while it was bent so it hit between the joints.) But I am in several joint stressing activities and thought it may be a good idea. A multi-vitamin to make sure i get everything that I need and I used to take one but stopped after I moved to collage. MSM because I recently hurt my tendon and wanted to make sure that I would from now on keep it at optimal health. And I saw Steven suggested it in another thread specifically about that.

Several questions now. I have looked online and all the "guides" to choosing a good supplement take you to a particular brand, aren't very helpful and the brand isn't  what I am looking for and look shady. 

So first how do you choose a good brand or particular supplement or are there any particular brands you would recommend? Because I trust you guys to give me a good one. (I would still like some guide lines so I can choose them myself someday)  Also would these be good choices of supplements to take in general or would you suggest something else?   

Any other helpful comments would be appreciated.
   

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Consumer Whores / New Parkour Tabi
« on: October 30, 2010, 09:43:01 AM »
So I was looking at a website that was in blackbelt magazine to see what kind of clothes they have. Well the answer is expensive. But today I found out that they have these they are fairly new to the market and they look well I'll let you decide....








and the grip




So they look ok. Very steam punkish... They are for a very particular group of people but the grip looks great. I also like that you can give them the exact size of your foot. They are very pricey though. Here is the original webpage. Take a look at some of he other stuff too. If only for laughs.


http://www.ayyawear.com/store/footwear/tabi/parkour-tabi


EDIT!!!!: the black looks much better!!

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In the Media / Parkour in the dictionary!!
« on: October 23, 2010, 07:53:40 PM »
    Well traceurs it's finally time to throw out those old out-dated Websters dictionaries and trade it in for a new model. According to our friends across the Ocean at Parkour Generations....

               "Long overdue, the words Parkour and Freerunning have now been entered into that bastion of the English language,
                the Oxford English Dictionary. The original application for the words to be recognized was made by Parkour UK
                almost two years ago, and finally it has come through - the definition, subject to input and revisions from the
                bods at the OED, is definitely not perfect but it's a major step for the discipline in terms of recognition."

    While it may give a very narrow portion of what parkour is and has become to all of us it is still something that should be celebrated. Nothing is perfect so while we may not agree entirely with the definition (I couldn't find it) we should still be happy it is there.

    Why is this important? To us it really isn't but to everyone who doesn't practice it could be. As traceurs we can now use reference for a static basic definition of parkour to people who ask us what we are doing but have no real interest. It can be of great use for school reports and speeches and I am sure it has many other uses.  

    Regardless of how you feel about a printed definition that could define how the world looks at us you must remember that it is not entirely the dictionary that gives words their meaning. It is up to us just as it has always been to provide the connotation that the words parkour and free running will have. We don't want to give people the image of a bunch of punks or daredevils. Similar to the connotation prescribed to skateboarding.

    Last this definition changes nothing. We should not make it out to mare then it really is. It is a news worthy event and something we should be proud of.  There are still many "words" that are not in the dictionary. I just took this as an opportunity to once again explain the role each of us plays in promoting our art.    

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