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Title: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Chris Kessler on October 24, 2008, 12:43:51 PM
So Eon is still alive.

From Urban Freeflow's main news feed:

Recently we reported about the passing of a Greek practitioner called Stefanos "Eon" Kiourkoulis, which created a real stir of emotion within the worldwide Freerun/Parkour scene. The good news is that he's alive and well. The very sad thing is that he and his team mates engineered it all as a hoax. We can't quite figure out the sense in doing something as insensitive as this but there you go, Team Kinesis have now had their 2 minutes under the spotlight for all the wrong reasons. Its a real shame that people have to go to these lengths to create attention.

If this is a duplicate thread then delete it.

Really kinda upsets me. I felt a real loss when I heard about it and I think we all felt something even though we didn't know him. Pretty low move to create a joke like that.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Dan Elric on October 24, 2008, 12:51:54 PM
 >:(
Hmph. How un-traceurish of them.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Jacob Wood on October 24, 2008, 01:00:22 PM
with all the emotion already caused there is but one thing to do...
eon must die
jk :P but that is a really crappy prank
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Chris Slater on October 24, 2008, 01:06:16 PM
well at least he isnt dead !
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Broc on October 24, 2008, 01:17:15 PM
yeah its good he's alive but still thats pretty low
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Aaron Ream on October 24, 2008, 01:17:48 PM
I'm glad he's not dead. But this really really irks me. I mean, what the hell??? If I met these guys in person, I wouldn't be able to talk to them. I'm utterly disgusted by this cruel prank.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Spencer B on October 24, 2008, 01:25:10 PM
I have a slew of insults and curses, just waiting to be unleashed, that are so vile and disgusting, that I would most certainly be banned from these forums for the rest of my life. That is to say... they're there, but I will refrain, instead, I'll just think them... To think, I mourned for this man like one might for the loss of a brother...  >:( >:( >:( >:(

I'm glad no one died, but this... It is a despicable, shameless act of the most deply perverted and warped measures of the human mind seeking fame and remembrance in the folds of a disturbing hoax. It is an undeniably ignoble thing to do, expecially in the explicit nature of this vile act. This is the worst overexpedient outreach by people whom obviously have no qualms whatsoever that I have ever witnessed and I hope I will never again have the displeasure of ever seeing again. I will forever carry an animus against this singular action.

Sorry to be so verboe, but I cleaned up and educated the slurs I was thinking.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Aaron Ream on October 24, 2008, 02:30:35 PM
I have a slew of insults and curses, just waiting to be unleashed, that are so vile and disgusting, that I would most certainly be banned from these forums for the rest of my life. That is to say... they're there, but I will refrain, instead, I'll just think them... To think, I mourned for this man like one might for the loss of a brother...  >:( >:( >:( >:(

I'm glad no one died, but this... It is a despicable, shameless act of the most deply perverted and warped measures of the human mind seeking fame and remembrance in the folds of a disturbing hoax. It is an undeniably ignoble thing to do, expecially in the explicit nature of this vile act. This is the worst overexpedient outreach by people whom obviously have no qualms whatsoever that I have ever witnessed and I hope I will never again have the displeasure of ever seeing again. I will forever carry an animus against this singular action.

Sorry to be so verboe, but I cleaned up and educated the slurs I was thinking.

Don't be sorry. This is what many people are thinking exactly, you're just the one capable of putting it into words. +1
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Alex L. on October 24, 2008, 02:32:26 PM
well......... I was going to put some kind of eon remembrance thing in my sig, but never mind.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Haris Kar on October 24, 2008, 03:37:16 PM
Greetings and deepest apologies. My name is Haris and I am a member of Team Kinesis. I feel obligated towards myself and the rest of my teammates to inform everyone that the rest of Team Kinesis had nothing to do with this hoax. We did not take any part in this stupidity nor did we support it in any way. I myself learned about it from eon last Sunday and I haven’t been able to contact him since then. Both I and the rest of my friends are unaware of eons’ real intentions, even until this very moment.

The only reason we formed our team is so that we are able to promote safe and responsible parkour in Greece. We never indented to get in the spotlight or have our 2 minutes or fame or whatever.  I sincerely apologize from the bottoms of my heart for all the troubles that a friend of mine has caused to all of you. I still hope that his intentions for doing this were good. That is all. Thank you for listening to me. Please train safe and responsibly
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Brandan Mendenhall on October 24, 2008, 04:32:05 PM
I can't even begin to fathom a reason why, in this situation, faking one's own death would have "good intentions" behind it.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Bret [Soundcrafter] on October 24, 2008, 04:37:13 PM
Greetings and deepest apologies. My name is Haris and I am a member of Team Kinesis. I feel obligated towards myself and the rest of my teammates to inform everyone that the rest of Team Kinesis had nothing to do with this hoax. We did not take any part in this stupidity nor did we support it in any way. I myself learned about it from eon last Sunday and I haven’t been able to contact him since then. Both I and the rest of my friends are unaware of eons’ real intentions, even until this very moment.

The only reason we formed our team is so that we are able to promote safe and responsible parkour in Greece. We never indented to get in the spotlight or have our 2 minutes or fame or whatever.  I sincerely apologize from the bottoms of my heart for all the troubles that a friend of mine has caused to all of you. I still hope that his intentions for doing this were good. That is all. Thank you for listening to me. Please train safe and responsibly


Since you've been present on other parts of the board, obviously YOU'RE not fake, so that's good. Thanks for clarifying.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Aaron Ream on October 24, 2008, 04:46:01 PM
Greetings and deepest apologies. My name is Haris and I am a member of Team Kinesis. I feel obligated towards myself and the rest of my teammates to inform everyone that the rest of Team Kinesis had nothing to do with this hoax. We did not take any part in this stupidity nor did we support it in any way. I myself learned about it from eon last Sunday and I haven’t been able to contact him since then. Both I and the rest of my friends are unaware of eons’ real intentions, even until this very moment.

The only reason we formed our team is so that we are able to promote safe and responsible parkour in Greece. We never indented to get in the spotlight or have our 2 minutes or fame or whatever.  I sincerely apologize from the bottoms of my heart for all the troubles that a friend of mine has caused to all of you. I still hope that his intentions for doing this were good. That is all. Thank you for listening to me. Please train safe and responsibly


Thank you dearly for clearing up the innocense of the team, some people are getting awfully angry at the team as a whole. As for Eon... I'm still steaming... It pains me that a single person would go to these lengths for fame. I have a hard time seeing why anyone would do this... It's so damn fustrating.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Daniel "spider" Potes on October 24, 2008, 06:16:42 PM
wow that is just rude to an extremely high extent. i almost started crying when i heard that we had lost one of us. i am now going to take my anger and turn it towards bettering myself so i never end up doing what eon did
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Shae Perkins on October 24, 2008, 06:40:08 PM
I am very glad to hear a fellow traceur is not dead, but I really don't understand why they did that.

I really don't know what to say...
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Alec Furtado on October 24, 2008, 06:45:27 PM
Sorry but what a d*^che. Of course it's great that he's alive but honestly this is despicable. They even had a 4 minute tribute video to his death, I mean wtf is that!?


This isn't even one of those little things where you jokingly say someone died. The whole damn community was about to donate money to his family to help them out (http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php?topic=12840.0) and set up memorial jams. I don't really care what the intentions where, it was just terrible.


But again, I am glad he is alive and well.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Dustin Smith on October 24, 2008, 07:08:45 PM
^^+1
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Alex L. on October 24, 2008, 07:15:35 PM
Greetings and deepest apologies. My name is Haris and I am a member of Team Kinesis. I feel obligated towards myself and the rest of my teammates to inform everyone that the rest of Team Kinesis had nothing to do with this hoax. We did not take any part in this stupidity nor did we support it in any way. I myself learned about it from eon last Sunday and I haven’t been able to contact him since then. Both I and the rest of my friends are unaware of eons’ real intentions, even until this very moment.

The only reason we formed our team is so that we are able to promote safe and responsible parkour in Greece. We never indented to get in the spotlight or have our 2 minutes or fame or whatever.  I sincerely apologize from the bottoms of my heart for all the troubles that a friend of mine has caused to all of you. I still hope that his intentions for doing this were good. That is all. Thank you for listening to me. Please train safe and responsibly


I also apologize for what i said on the other board about team Kinesis.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: chodantraceur on October 24, 2008, 07:55:48 PM
I got all worked up over this too. I don't see what could possibly posses you to make something like this.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Dan Frank on October 24, 2008, 08:03:52 PM
Well, this immediately reminded me of Speaker Of The Dead. The dead are often given respect and glory beyond what was given to them in life; is this not a form of hypocrisy?

It was dirty, or maybe a fluke, but it should not have happened at all.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Ryan Nicolai on October 24, 2008, 08:45:30 PM
Eh, this doesn't seem to affect me much. I was all for supporting his family if it had happened, now I think we need to move on and find his reason why.

Was it distasteful, very much so. Wrong... no more than Pauly Shore.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Shae Perkins on October 24, 2008, 09:08:12 PM
You know whats really messed up. During my conditioning today I did a few extra reps for Eon...you know back when I thought he was dead!!! >:(
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Spyder0527 on October 24, 2008, 09:21:53 PM
I'm just as ticked off as you guys are but the response of the community shocked me most.  It's amazing to see a whole community that is spread across the world have sympathy and remorse for each other.  At least I know that if I were to die, or one of my friends, from parkour that they would not be forgotten.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Chris Slater on October 24, 2008, 09:30:54 PM
i went out and made a whole training video beacuse of this guy i was training for him but know that i know he is not dead that just makes my stomach turn but at least the guy isnt dead even if it was a bad joke this is a little reminder to train safe and be smart about your surrondings. So out of all this at least he isnt dead and traing safe
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: LittleKey on October 24, 2008, 10:13:02 PM
wow. i don't know why someone could think that would be funny.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Haris Kar on October 25, 2008, 04:32:14 AM
unfortunate news (http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php?topic=12829.60)
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Mark Toorock on October 25, 2008, 04:45:47 AM
Copied from the other thread which is now locked.


Haris, this is not an excuse for him or your team.

First off, Alex Leatherborrow was LOOKING OVER THE SIDE of a building when he fell . not a practitioner.

Second, YOUR TEAM did support the hoax, it was on your team page and your forums, so you can't possibly say "we didn't know about it".

Third, saying "look at all these good quotes" is like saying that all the solidarity and bonding of the Jews is a great reason to have a haulocaust - it's just plain bullshit.


I have actually started a fund to plant trees in Greece ... people have emailed me with donations - many people have gone through an emotional time, needlessly. This really is inexcusable.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Haris Kar on October 25, 2008, 05:25:45 AM
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Haris, this is not an excuse for him or your team.
First of all I didn’t try to excuse him. I clarified the reasons so that people don’t get the wrong idea for his intentions.

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First off, Alex Leatherborrow was LOOKING OVER THE SIDE of a building when he fell . not a practitioner.
the last DEATH IN PARKOUR happened in last years august in England. 14tr old Alex L. fell off the roof of his school WHEN LOOKING AT A JUMP and died from injuries. It can't get more clear than that….If he had kept his parkour off the roofs this wouldn’t have happened.

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Second, YOUR TEAM did support the hoax, it was on your team page and your forums, so you can't possibly say "we didn't know about it".
Eon is the administrator of both our team page and the pkgr forum site. He placed the info there himself, and noxteryn was responsible for the video on youtube. Strangely I don’t have access to our page since my posts here….. Plus they posted a confirmation of eons’ death on the pkgr forum by using the account of another team member (kostis) without him knowing anything about it.

And I said we didn’t know what he was planning. He told as AFTER he had posted the video and the news of his death. While I was on my way to training on Sunday I was called twice from people I didn’t know and I was consoled about eons’ death without knowing anything about it.

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Third, saying "look at all these good quotes" is like saying that all the solidarity and bonding of the Jews is a great reason to have a haulocaust - it's just plain bullshit.
Far from the same. . Hitler was not aiming at getting the Jews together, when he created the holocaust. His aim was simply to kill them… Those replies is what eon was aiming for. He believes that this “this really opened my eyes to the importance of training in a safe environment” was really worth all the trouble.

So don’t put the blame on people who had nothing to do with, simply because you don’t know what happened in this story.
 I agree with you on one thing though, (I told him that last week when he informed of what he had done) This really is inexcusable… and stupid way to promote a message.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Aaron Ream on October 25, 2008, 06:05:31 AM
See, I have a hard time believing that's the real Eon now. The main fault with the internet is that anyone can come on and make an account under any name.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Haris Kar on October 25, 2008, 06:12:29 AM
It's him
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Laurie Jennifer on October 25, 2008, 06:33:53 AM
pointing out someone else's wrong doesn't excuse your own. eon, you cannot blame people's reactions, even if they are angry and smearing. you are the one who put your team in a bad light by doing this in their name, even if they had nothing to do this.  if you pull crap like this, you forfeit your right to be upset about how others choose to respond.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Laurie Jennifer on October 25, 2008, 07:08:18 AM
no offense, but you have no right to be making claims about other people being manipulative.

let's see what ends you say justify these means.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Shae Perkins on October 25, 2008, 07:39:54 AM
Man, you have no right to critisize anyone at this point. What you did was messed up. I don't care what your intentions were. Death is not something you just play with and make jokes about.

I will wait and see where this ends up. But I really don't think the ends justify the means :/


nothing is true. Everything is permitted.


Did you seriously just quote Assassin's Creed?! You really are something kid...
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Chris Salvato on October 25, 2008, 07:42:36 AM
In the very basic form, you lied.  To the whole world.  And you lied about a death.

Since when is lying acceptable and good?  Isn't this the reason we hate politicians and lawyers?  Deadbeat fathers and mothers?

I hope you don't believe in Karma...because people who do are probably saying prayers for you...

If you think what you were doing was good..thats fine...I saw your video...my first impression was "his kongs are just mediocre...he had no business up on a roof".

I am glad you think you were helping the community.  Truth is, you hurt it, horribly.  People who propagate the TRUE intentions of parkour know that this isn't about rooftops and big, dangerous jumps. You didn't need to bring this to anyone's attention.

I am not too happy to be part of the same worldwide community that you are a part of.  

I hope I never see you at the first big International Jam.  I hope I never meet anyone from your team.  I hope that if I do, I am not forced to interact with you - share a table, share a meal, share a hello.

I am not alone in these feelings.  I am pretty sure most of the world feels the same way.

Nothing you can say will change my opinion.

Have a good life.  Enjoy your rooftops and videos.  I am going to try and forget that you exist, for now.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Chris Kessler on October 25, 2008, 07:43:58 AM
So.... This was somehow a test. We don't exactly know what it was testing but it was a bullshit way of testing it.

Eon, I'm going to put this plainly. Regardless of the way that you handled questioning, you lied on a worldwide scale. I am sorry that your team got pulled into it, if indeed they had no control over it, but how dare you. I didn't even know you man. I came up with the idea to host remembrance jams for you.

It's plain and simple, no "test" in this community should involve a faked death. Death is a sacred and sorrowful thing and the PK world feels tied to each other. You brought us together to mourn you, and you'll bring us together to be mad at you (I didn't say hate here because that doesn't seem to be a part of our ways).

If you were trying to show how people should train safely, make an instructional video. If you were trying to show how we are a strong community, then MAKE A VIDEO.

Well, you've accomplished one thing. You've brought communities from all over the world together. And you lied to them. Unforgivable.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: John VO on October 25, 2008, 07:51:31 AM
Regardless of what you say, you still manipulated everyone who didn't ask privately into believing that you were dead. You're just using thin coat of paint, the "lesson", to justify a stupid prank.

You've just proven yourself to be the largest b@st@rd in the parkour community. Congratulations. You will receive your trophy in 50,000 to 60,000 business days.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Michael Bergeron on October 25, 2008, 08:10:06 AM
I can't wait to hear the reasoning behind all of this.

Also, did you think about the damage to the sport this hoax may cause? 

While I'm new, i'm dedicated, and hearing the news of your death didn't shake me, but imagine how it may have scared some people away from the sport.

How many people would want to do something if they heard about someone splattering their brains on the sidewalk while training?  What about parents that are trying to understand what their children are doing?

I can't imagine any parent would be overly excited their kids were jumping from rooftop to rooftop as is, but now add the factor of death, and douche bags that fake their own death for fun and the sport as a whole may be taking a huge hit.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: John VO on October 25, 2008, 08:13:21 AM
Haris is right, i am the administrator of both pkgr and teamkinesis, i've put all the misleading info there.
These actions were part of a plan that will soon be posted along with it's results, everywhere.
It should be noted, that everyone who asked about my "death" privately, got the truth with honesty and then actually helped with the plan.
Spreaded the rumor that is. In addition, we never actually lied. Publicly questions where answered crypticly but with no lies.

You can't even imagine how many people supported and will openly show their support to this idea.


Stefanos Kiourkoulis



Everything in bold proves my point. Even though you never technically lied, you manipulated people by not giving straight answers, creating misleading information, and not stepping up to tell the truth about what happened before it became a big deal.

And you admitted it.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Alec Furtado on October 25, 2008, 08:20:22 AM
I don't really care who did what... pointing blame and throwing poo never gets anything done most of the time.

I do care that this went too far. Maybe you didn't want it to get this big, but it did. I didn't know you but people who did were completely heartbroken. When it comes out that you are actually alive, what can you expect except that they are all extremely pissed for pulling some shit like this.


If you think the ends justified the means in this case... well I don't know what to tell you.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Chris Salvato on October 25, 2008, 08:25:05 AM
I meet MANY traceurs who start by jumping off a roof.  You know how long it take to correct this?  Sititng down with them for less than 5 minutes...and I don't need to fake any injuries or deaths.

What you did will repel people from parkour....which i believe is intended to get people BACK into moving as humans were intended to move.

Sorry,  you're wrong.  Now back to pretending you don't exist.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Spyder0527 on October 25, 2008, 09:00:38 AM
Think outside of the box and you may finally see the true intentions of two individuals.

I don't agree with this statement.  Why should we have to be skeptical of everything, especially on a forum with our friends and fellow practitioners.  If you wanted to make a point, you could have kept the story in your own community.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Kineticstorm on October 25, 2008, 09:09:50 AM
No matter how you try to justify it by saying "all will be made clear" or whatever. What you did was wrong. The worst part about this is that you are violating what I was always led to believe was a major tenant of PKFR, which is take responsibility for your actions. All I hear from you is excuses and retorts. Exactly how did you see this part of your "plan" playing out. That the community would welcome you back with open arms? And how about when the next PK community member dies, do you think that everyone will believe it then? Side note, please avoid homophobic comments in your responses.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: KC Parsons on October 25, 2008, 09:14:59 AM
Honestly, couldn't you have just said you were seriously injured, but now okay, after falling from a rooftop?

That could've gotten the point across without the unnecessary negative consequences.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Alec Furtado on October 25, 2008, 09:23:07 AM
Well just like any story or novel, usually the theme is enhanced a lot more when the character dies... or so my english teachers say.


Still, was it worth all this grief?
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: KC Parsons on October 25, 2008, 09:23:58 AM
Well just like any story or novel, usually the theme is enhanced a lot more when the character dies... or so my english teachers say.


Still, was it worth all this grief?
Yeah, that's the problem. It was TOO enhanced.
Whereas a severe injury may have opened a few people's eyes without all the grief and whatnot.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Sam Zytka on October 25, 2008, 09:25:17 AM
this was a horrible prank and i am no way promoting or endorsing it, and still think it was a horrible thing to do.


Honestly though, when you heard about this and before you knew it was a prank, didnt it really put things into perspective for you?  I know it did for me, it made me re examine my training in the past and i will probably not take unnecessary risks because of the feeling i got when i heard of this.  If they said a severe injury it would have not had the same affect on me

it was a terrible thing to do and i still am i upset that it was a prank but in a way it did help me



just my opinion and i have a feeling i will get smited a lot for this but o well
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Kiernan on October 25, 2008, 09:46:16 AM
Sure I'm pretty upset about this, I mean I actually cried over your death dude! BUT I'm not going to freak out and get all pissed off at you (yet another mental obstacle) BUT I am very curious about why you'd do something like this? Couldn't you have at least told the "leaders" (or whatever) of the different PK/freerunning communities? I mean M2 and people at UrbanFreeflow (ect.) have probably spent the last week in grief AND trying to comfort upset/grieving students and friends, I mean, sure I was upset but I'm sure the admins of APK (and other forums) are even more upset because of the uproar of upset people they've had to deal with.......*sigh* all I'm saying is THINK before you act! Please?!
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Kyle Ryan on October 25, 2008, 09:49:42 AM

Now back to pretending you don't exist.
That's pretty gay


And faking your own death isn't...?

One more thing, why is it you keep telling us that "it will all be made clear" and "you will soon see my reasons," is it because you are just going to try and bullshit the community again with your false statements and accusations.

I don't think we should have to wait. Give us the answer now.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Casquinha on October 25, 2008, 09:57:03 AM
R.I.P.  Eon's integrity -- Oct. 18, 2008


Let's all mourn together.


--Daniel C. Handley
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Kiernan on October 25, 2008, 10:02:08 AM
^ more like "RIP team kinesis, Eon took you all down with him"

sure I don't have a prob with anyone really, but at the same time Eon did kinda paint his team a bad name....
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Hyper_Mode on October 25, 2008, 10:07:13 AM
Hmm.. Did anyone else have suspicions it was fake? Because I googled it and couldn't find a news article on it anywhere... And if this really happened I'm sure that the media would have covered it.

Anyhow.. That was a cruel thing to do..
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: KC Parsons on October 25, 2008, 10:18:36 AM
Hmm.. Did anyone else have suspicions it was fake? Because I googled it and couldn't find a news article on it anywhere... And if this really happened I'm sure that the media would have covered it.

Anyhow.. That was a cruel thing to do..

And the youtube video had fake, prank, and hoax in the tags..
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Shae Perkins on October 25, 2008, 10:19:12 AM
I give up. Obviously this kid doesn't get it. He messed up bad and he doesn't even understand.

So Eon- Have fun with your life :)
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Kiernan on October 25, 2008, 10:22:27 AM
Okay, everyone has come to 2 conclusions-

Eon messed up
everyone is pissed at Eon.....

end of discussion? I mean, yelling at the dude REALLY isn't gonna help (not to be the party pooper people but c'mon) I'm fairly sure he at least gets the point, whether or not he takes it to heart is up to him....
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Michael Bergeron on October 25, 2008, 10:29:34 AM
What really needs to happen is for some reasoning behind his actions to be brought forth.

Everyone wants to know why, and he keeps on saying he'll make it all clear soon, but in reality, he's just being suspicious, probably because there was no reason other than his own ego wanting to know how many people he could upset.

So what now Eon?  Are you going to say anything that constitutes a reasoning behind your idiocy?  Or will you make your team mates suffer indignity because of your underhanded lies?
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Kiernan on October 25, 2008, 10:31:31 AM
^ I agree +1 bro, I mean, why?! I even e-mailed you Eon, then again you've probably gotten to many angry e-mails to even bother checking.....anyway yes an explanation would be nice right about now...
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Spyder0527 on October 25, 2008, 10:48:53 AM
I don't really think there is anything else left to say without starting more fights and drama.  Probably best to just let it die, no pun intended.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Samuel96 on October 25, 2008, 11:08:45 AM
Well, I am going to jump a gap just to prove a point to you. The gap is small, maybe a 7 foot leap and 3 foot drop. But, some teen will probably read this and say, "Oh, I think that's not true, they have a fake point. They are just being paranoid."
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: WQ F on October 25, 2008, 11:50:36 AM
I had always been suspicious about this death news. I checked here ever time I get on to hope to see that the death is not real. Well, I guess I'm happy that you are alive and doing well. Your intentions were good, but faking your own death is quite extreme and unnecessary.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Jackson Miller on October 25, 2008, 12:16:07 PM
HE HAS NO REASON!!! 
 LISTEN:

What Eon is going to try to do is SHOW THE RESULTS of his "experiment" and say that was the reason.  That is Unacceptable Eon, that is not a reason at all.  He has no divine explanation so don't wait for it.  He is just going to show us the results.

Eon you should have kept this to your own community and not involved others.  Then again you shouldn't have done it at all.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Jackson Miller on October 25, 2008, 12:19:04 PM
And oh yeah, you don't seem very good at all from your video.  You don't have enough experience to make a choice like this.  I don't know why you think you do... you haven't been doing parkour for more than 18 months and you ARE NOT THAT GOOD... even for that short amount of time.  So what gave you the idea it was your choice to pull something like this?
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Alec Furtado on October 25, 2008, 12:31:13 PM
I don't see this thread being any more productive. It was a bs move, we had our say... let's just move on.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: RunCincy on October 25, 2008, 12:38:49 PM
whodahhh thunkk it
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: noxteryn on October 25, 2008, 01:25:02 PM
Eon has helped build the Greek Parkour community, and he used to be my co-admin (I have resigned for a while now) on pkgr.org, the official Greek Parkour site. He has helped and taught hundreds of local traceurs with the ways of Parkour, and they are living proof of Eon's worth. Eon is a remarkable person, and his methods of teaching may not be the most controversial, but he always manages to get his point across. That's what makes his teachings so special.

This time, his target was the internet, and how information circulates through it. Just because something has been posted elsewhere, doesn't make it true. Google doesn't prove anything. People talked about how they "checked and confirmed it" when all they did was look if it had been posted in another forum. Nobody bothered to really research. Nobody bothered to look at the video description closely, or the tags. The verdict: The internet is shit, and people are gullible when acting like mobs. Do not take people's words for granted, my friends. No one should be treated like an authority, and that goes for the Parkour community as well. When you ask for advice on the internet, do not follow it blindly.

Another point that were talking about on the phone earlier was this. Eon said to me: "There is a person in Uzbekistan that hates me. He has never met me and didn't even know of my existence since last week, but now he hates me and wishes I was dead." Aside the fact that people wishing Eon to die because he lacks the so-called "Parkour Spirit" gives a new meaning to the word "irony", it is really interesting that people can take such trite things so seriously. This is the internet, fellas. Lighten up. Relax. Take a chill pill. Besides, Sebastien Foucan's own opinion on Parkour and Free-Running is: "Don't take it too seriously."

The dangers of Parkour have already been mentioned, so I won't say anything about that.

Anyway, from what I understand, that's only part of what Eon was trying portray with all this, I'm sure he can explain more.
 :)



As for my motives of putting the video together and getting involved in this... I did it for the lulz.
 ;D
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Chris Salvato on October 25, 2008, 02:01:08 PM
so is the whole greek traceur community just mentally challenged then?  That is all this post is teaching me...

It either has people who:
1) Jump off buildings
2) Fake their death
3) Help People do either 1 or 2.

Not hating, thats just how its coming off...

BTW in America, I am fairly certain faking death in any capacity is a federal offense.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Kiernan on October 25, 2008, 02:19:11 PM
.....dude wtf?! You did it for the lolz?! There wasn't anything funny about how upset everyone was, I actually cried dude.....and when I was talking to Eon earlier I was hoping he would give us an actual answer.....one that actually meant something not "I did it for the lolz" that's slightly f#cked......I mean c'mon you could of had some lolz by just doing it to the greek PK community NOT the international community ::) f#ck bro........can you PLEASE come up with something better than this?! If not then that's ridiculously shallow, I mean if you guys had a GOOD point to it, I might have laughed too but this is pretty bad....
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Laurie Jennifer on October 25, 2008, 02:20:49 PM
i was skeptical from the beginning because a) i could find no confirmation from any news source, b) the was no mention of anything from aristotle university, and c) that such a smoothly editted video was posted just one day after the supposed death. how was it put together and posted so fast, especially by friends who should be in the shock of loss and mourning? and if they got the news out so fast, how did the media drop the ball so badly?

i overlooked these discrepancies on good faith in the greek parkour community, and because the possibility of a hoax was more horrible to believe than the supposed "truth." i'm naturally a trusting person.  i like to assume the best, and give others the benefit of the doubt.  it really stings when that is taken advantage of.  it is sad that you would sacrifice the trust of others to prove a point. to lie to people and then say "you're too trusting" is really kind of twisted.  it's manipulative.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: NICK DAGGER on October 25, 2008, 02:24:51 PM
I don't understand how so many people can get so emotionally involved with a death of a person they have never met or even knew existed.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Travis Graves on October 25, 2008, 02:24:58 PM
I was holding off on posting in this thread until you guys explained why you did this, and I'm glad I did... You guys made a great point doing what you did. It was a scathing comment on how information gets propagated on the internet, specifically the parkour community. After reading the info on the youtube video page i thought it was probably not real (and told people that), but i couldn't think of a reason why you would do this. I'm interested in how this will play out as far as how it will affect the parkour community and how news and information is treated. I was just talking today about how all the "drama" and friction in the community is caused by the internet; people simply don't say the types of things to people's faces that they do online. Besides that, the internet skews the things people say and in that way a lot of opinions become lost in translation, even if there is no actual language barrier.
Despite your methods, you've given everyone a lot to think about...
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: WQ F on October 25, 2008, 02:28:08 PM
Here is my new thoughts:
What if some one would die of parkour in the future? Some people would think that might be false too and everyone would just ignore the news. People would not be certain what to believe and that can create further complications.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Kiernan on October 25, 2008, 02:39:55 PM
I don't understand how so many people can get so emotionally involved with a death of a person they have never met or even knew existed.

 ::) I can't believe I have to explain this......

It's a mix between the fact that human life is so short, alot of people thought "hey that could've been me"
Also parkour brings people together (duhhhhhh) and everyone is pretty close just because of the simple fact that we do parkour and we all love it.....
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: John VO on October 25, 2008, 02:54:40 PM
If the lesson is to not take things for face value on the internet, that's a sh**** lesson. Of course we know that! Wikipedia proves that!

The problem is that he changed information. The only thing this exercise might do in the future is create mistrust in the international community! The Greek forums said "He's dead" and we should've been able to trust that information.

Now I just feel uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Graham Hughes on October 25, 2008, 02:57:23 PM
Lame.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Casquinha on October 25, 2008, 03:02:41 PM
I understand that there was a point being proven.  But the question is in the method.  People were actually crushed by the "news", and were even collecting donations.  The Internet may not be the most trustworthy source for news, but it is still the best communication tool in history.  The best way to combat dishonesty is not to take part.

There was also recently a news article where the reporter claimed that there had been many deaths related to parkour.  The media loves to play on xenophobia.  Now if any idiot climbs on a roof and falls off, regardless of whether the person knew of parkour or not, there will be those who claim it's related to parkour.  Your little stunt may have given us all a rather prominant black eye.  It certainly hurt Team Kinesis.

-- Daniel C. Handley
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Kyle Ryan on October 25, 2008, 03:40:31 PM
@noxteryn:

The only thing that I can really see that you "did for the lulz" was putting he was part of the prestigious Team Kinesis in your youtube description.

Prestigious?!?! lol
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: noxteryn on October 25, 2008, 03:58:12 PM
@noxteryn:

The only thing that I can really see that you "did for the lulz" was putting he was part of the prestigious Team Kinesis in your youtube description.

Prestigious?!?! lol
Yes, that was one of the many, many, many hints we included so that people would know beyond doubt that Eon wasn't really dead, but apparently it wasn't enough.
 ::)
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Brian Devaughn Hamilton on October 25, 2008, 04:23:50 PM
Ok i really wanted to stay away from this but one thing really bothers me. you said "Don't take it too seriously." how could you not expect us to take a death seriously? i mean right now it doesnt matter how many people you helped in the past or what you intentions were. you are a lier and can't be trusted. what ever lesson you have intended has been lost because you have caused so much hatred. maybe you and your friends think people are taking this way to seriously but not everyone jokes about death as you do. and people are just as mad at the your team because they are trying to justify your fake death. they admit what you did was wrong, but they still try to justify it. i pretty sure that what i am saying probably want make a difference about your opinion in thinking that what you did was right. but i hope that you really do realize that what ever you were trying to do is lost because you made a joke of death, and you and your team has lost the respect of many people.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Hyper_Mode on October 25, 2008, 04:25:03 PM
Here is my new thoughts:
What if some one would die of parkour in the future? Some people would think that might be false too and everyone would just ignore the news. People would not be certain what to believe and that can create further complications.

Yeah +1 man, I agree with you, it would be like the boy who cried wolf...
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: noxteryn on October 25, 2008, 04:37:17 PM
Here is my new thoughts:
What if some one would die of parkour in the future? Some people would think that might be false too and everyone would just ignore the news. People would not be certain what to believe and that can create further complications.
Yeah +1 man, I agree with you, it would be like the boy who cried wolf...
This allegory makes absolutely no sense. You would ignore a boy crying wolf? Then you'd be an asshole, no matter what the boy has done. I would always run to help the boy and find out if a wolf really existed, because there's always the chance of him telling the truth. This story is silly, and it was made up by dumb mothers who wanted their kids not to pull pranks.

Besides, the point of this isn't to ignore the news, but to investigate it. Do some research, find out if it is really true, before posting it everywhere or telling your friends. Do NOT reproduce unconfirmed information.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: ToPaxyGourouni on October 25, 2008, 04:42:09 PM
    Then again, It is all about facing the facts in my opinion. People mourned for eon's death, and now he is alive they are angry... I am under the impression that when you mourn for someone, you basically do not want them to be dead. So when they actually prove to be alive, you get angry? Sounds like weird way of thinking to me.

    First of, why were you that sad? You did not know the guy, any of you. You were sorry because he (supposedly) died from pk practice. What if a traceur died from a car crash? Or from cancer? I bet none would be that sorry then. So it was not actually about eon's death, it was about someone dying from parkour. So it was all about juicy news after all. That's why the news traveled all around the globe without any search or evidence of truth. That's why none would have bothered if the fall "caused eon to become handicapped for life". But death, yeah that's more spicy, let's spread it. After all, in the bottom of our hearts we were all expecting to read about a pk death somewhere over the internet, didn't we?

    Secondly, I heard people making donations or giving money to plant trees in Greece because of Eon's dying. And after that proved to be a lie, people felt angry. So I will suppose they never intended on actually giving money on planting trees. So why did they do it in the first place? So they can boast about it later?

    As you all say, death is not something we should joke about. But finally it proves that death is not real , and guess who are the first one to be disappointed? You! All of you!

      And that's a weird way of thinking to me.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: NICK DAGGER on October 25, 2008, 05:29:18 PM
Who's fault is it for getting upset over false information? Is it the liar, or the person who chooses to believe the false information without confirming it first?

Throughout this whole thing, I've remained neutral.

I think its silly to get emotionally involved with the death of someone you have never met, EVEN IF they share the same passion as you.

However, faking one's own death to prove a point is still lying and still wrong.



Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Brian Devaughn Hamilton on October 25, 2008, 05:30:56 PM
    Then again, It is all about facing the facts in my opinion. People mourned for eon's death, and now he is alive they are angry... I am under the impression that when you mourn for someone, you basically do not want them to be dead. So when they actually prove to be alive, you get angry? Sounds like weird way of thinking to me.

    First of, why were you that sad? You did not know the guy, any of you. You were sorry because he (supposedly) died from pk practice. What if a traceur died from a car crash? Or from cancer? I bet none would be that sorry then. So it was not actually about eon's death, it was about someone dying from parkour. So it was all about juicy news after all. That's why the news traveled all around the globe without any search or evidence of truth. That's why none would have bothered if the fall "caused eon to become handicapped for life". But death, yeah that's more spicy, let's spread it. After all, in the bottom of our hearts we were all expecting to read about a pk death somewhere over the internet, didn't we?

    Secondly, I heard people making donations or giving money to plant trees in Greece because of Eon's dying. And after that proved to be a lie, people felt angry. So I will suppose they never intended on actually giving money on planting trees. So why did they do it in the first place? So they can boast about it later?

    As you all say, death is not something we should joke about. But finally it proves that death is not real , and guess who are the first one to be disappointed? You! All of you!

      And that's a weird way of thinking to me.

its not that we are disappointed that he is alive. everyone is actually glad that he is alive. what we are mad about is that he took something is serious as death and lied about it. they are not donating to Eon's memory now because he LIED. there are certain things to joke about and death isn't one of them. and people don't donate money for someone who has died just to "boast" about it.

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This allegory makes absolutely no sense. You would ignore a boy crying wolf? Then you'd be an asshole, no matter what the boy has done. I would always run to help the boy and find out if a wolf really existed, because there's always the chance of him telling the truth. This story is silly, and it was made up by dumb mothers who wanted their kids not to pull pranks.

Besides, the point of this isn't to ignore the news, but to investigate it. Do some research, find out if it is really true, before posting it everywhere or telling your friends. Do NOT reproduce unconfirmed information.


The point of the boy who cried wolf is if you want people to trust you don't mislead them. lying about your death now that would be something an asshole would do. people thought they could reproduce what was on your site because they thought it was trusted. you have proved them wrong and im sure they wont believe anything you or your team says from now on. really i must say as far your arguments are you still seem pretty childish and have some growing up to do. 

Eon i really am glad that you are a live but really your an idiot.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Alec Furtado on October 25, 2008, 06:10:20 PM
   Then again, It is all about facing the facts in my opinion. People mourned for eon's death, and now he is alive they are angry... I am under the impression that when you mourn for someone, you basically do not want them to be dead. So when they actually prove to be alive, you get angry? Sounds like weird way of thinking to me.
It's called betrayal. People don't like being lied to, especially about something as big a deal as death.

    First of, why were you that sad? You did not know the guy, any of you. You were sorry because he (supposedly) died from pk practice. What if a traceur died from a car crash? Or from cancer? I bet none would be that sorry then. So it was not actually about eon's death, it was about someone dying from parkour. So it was all about juicy news after all. That's why the news traveled all around the globe without any search or evidence of truth. That's why none would have bothered if the fall "caused eon to become handicapped for life". But death, yeah that's more spicy, let's spread it. After all, in the bottom of our hearts we were all expecting to read about a pk death somewhere over the internet, didn't we?
You're such a dumbass....
1. Quite a few people did actually know him.
2. Death of a "leader" or anybody for that matter is always tragic. We have this thing called a conscience that allows us to feel for others.
3. Any sort of debilitating accident would have been noticed by the community and discussed, death being the most severe. Notice that we have 2 entire forums dedicated to the subject of injury.
4. It would be very disrespectful to have just come out and said "I don't believe it, it's all fake." I personally couldn't even imagine that someone in the parkour community would do something so despicable.

    Secondly, I heard people making donations or giving money to plant trees in Greece because of Eon's dying. And after that proved to be a lie, people felt angry. So I will suppose they never intended on actually giving money on planting trees. So why did they do it in the first place? So they can boast about it later?
There was also going to be a fund to give money directly to his family. Of course people won't give the money to plant trees now because there's nobody to make a damn memorial for. What kind of idiotic thinking is this?


In short, pull your head out of your ass. Grow up.



I really wanted to let this post go but it was so disrespectful to the APK community that I had to address it.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Jackson Miller on October 25, 2008, 06:21:33 PM
Well, this is a good lesson.  The lesson is to check your sources.  And we have leared our lesson.  Team kinesis and their forum is no better than a cr@ppy internet source.  SO now we know....

NEVER accept team Kinesis as a valid source of info or a valid pk group.  That is what you wanted us to learn right Noxiousturd?  You and Eon has given your name an uncredible reputation and apparently that is what you wanted to do...
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: noxteryn on October 25, 2008, 06:37:21 PM
Actually, it is YOUR site that hosted crappy information, all I did was upload a video on YouTube, one that any intelligent person would immediately realise was faked. And it's okay, I hold no grudge against APK, since M2 was responsible enough to apologise. That was really cool. It's a shame ez from UF isn't as professional.


By the way, I keep seeing the word "lie" come up. Nobody lied to you guys. It was perfectly clear if you people had opened your eyes. If you read in the newspaper that someone "killed himself for the lolz", would you start a fundraiser for his family, or suspect that the story is very much likely fake? Because that's what the Video Description said. If you saw a video, the tags of which included the keywords "fake", "joke", and "prank", would you seriously believe that the video was about an actual event that really happened? Really?

Please stop using the word "lie", it's not valid.

- "Hey, what did you guys talk about?"
- "Your mom."
- "Wow, did you really talk about my mom?!?"
- "No, idiot, that was an obvious joke."
- "Oh my God, you lied to me!!!!"
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Laurie Jennifer on October 25, 2008, 06:54:43 PM
lying is the intent to deceive or mislead.  say, for example, you're a little kid and your mom doesn't want you playing with your friend, billy (he's a "bad influence," she says). but you stop by billy's house after school.  you stay there a while, and on your way home you pop in the library real quick.  you finally come home and mom, of course, asks where you were.  "i went to the library," you say.  technically, that's true.  but you still lied.

see, lying can take different forms, but the intent is always the same: to be misleading.

if someone saw the video, then checked with you guys on your forums for confirmation, and confirmation was seemingly found from your own mouth (keyboard)...  that's lying.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Chris Salvato on October 25, 2008, 06:55:24 PM
intentionally vague and deceptive...

how is that not lying?

lies of omission are still lies...

and really, im not all that mad...in fact, i pretty much knew it was severely questionable from the start...but like other people said, it occured to me "why would someone joke about THAT?"

i just think you guys are idiots and basically spitting on us, our discipline and our intelligence...and all for the lulz!  how about that.

If you don't see how this is disrespectful, rude and arrogant...then I feel bad for you on a variety of levels...
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Alec Furtado on October 25, 2008, 07:05:18 PM
Oh yea... we all look at Youtube videos to read the tags... that's what we should care about. I should have known that the 4+ minutes of video dedicated to something as tragic as a fellow traceur's death wasn't what I should pay attention to. Why would that be important to someone anyway? Golly gee thanks.

...dumbass.

Supporting the spread of misinformation is a lie, stop trying to make yourself feel better. Nobody will trust you now. For all we know, you edited those in just to cover your ass. But, oh, I didn't say that you did. Hahaha funny, right?


Not even really mad anymore... I almost just feel sorry for you guys since it's so pathetic.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: KC Parsons on October 25, 2008, 07:20:21 PM
The thing is:
had we all seen it directly on youtube first, it's quite possible many, if not at least one person, would have seen the tags and then known.


However, it was posted on the main page, therefore a write-up from us, along with an embedded video, where tags aren't present for us.

So that had a lot to do with it..









I'm not saying it wasn't f#cked up, though.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Brian Devaughn Hamilton on October 25, 2008, 07:24:50 PM
yeah im through with it. they are not to bright, every come back sounds like something a child would say or an idiot would say.  well Eon i hope you and your team practice safely and i hope you learned something from this yourselves.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Michael Bergeron on October 25, 2008, 07:48:08 PM
NEVER accept team Kinesis as a valid source of info or a valid pk group.  That is what you wanted us to learn right Noxiousturd?  You and Eon has given your name an uncredible reputation and apparently that is what you wanted to do...

Agreed.  Also, why is it that Eon can't come forward and say anything? 

He kept posting to defend himself and say he would explain it, and so far, all we have is Nox explaining how he got the giggles from making a fake memorial video on the internet.

Personally, i wonder what's going to happen to team kinesis.  Do they have corporate sponsors for events, etc?  How do they feel about this?   What will media groups that love slandering PK as dangerous do when they hear that a major group in Greece decided for fun, and to teach the internet a lesson, that they would fake a death.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Samuel96 on October 25, 2008, 08:08:33 PM
Even if he cried wolf, he made a point of it. It is like the storytellers point of view. The story teller knows that's not true, but wants to make a point of it, and some day the little kid who listened to the story teller will one day pass the story down.

What's done is done. We should not dwell on the past because he cannot change time. So, now that we know that the story is not true, lets pass it down, or rather the moral of the story.

Eon, I forgive you.

Edit: Everyone smite me for my understanding! I don't care!
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Spyder0527 on October 25, 2008, 08:19:03 PM


Please stop using the word "lie", it's not valid.

- "Hey, what did you guys talk about?"
- "Your mom."
- "Wow, did you really talk about my mom?!?"
- "No, idiot, that was an obvious joke."
- "Oh my God, you lied to me!!!!"

Actually that WOULD be a lie if you didn't actually talk to his mom.  Just like it was a lie about how this 'Eon' fool died.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Mark Toorock on October 25, 2008, 08:31:06 PM
Woah - I did not - certainly not- apologize to anyone from Team Kinesis. I apologized to the people of
APK for posting information which I had TRIED to confirm by validating two separate sources.

I think this is a crappy way to "teach people a lesson" - and your little game of collecting quotes is a farce - what people will remember for a long time is that you cannot be trusted.

I have seen several of your group now say "this is not a lie". Absolute bullshit with NO valid argument. Information was falsified, Eon created a video faking his own death, then posted about it on the team page (how is that not a lie) and posted about it as somebody else on your forums (how is that not a lie?).

As for being sad, I specifically (as did Max) pointed out that even had he died doing Parkour, Eon would not be a martyr or a hero, any more than he would have been if he died in a motorcylce crash but was in fact a traceur. It was sad to me to think that someone in our global community had died while practicing, just as it would be sad to me if anyone in any circle of friends passed away. I offered to collect funds in response to a community wish to do something in Eon's memory - these are the people you deceived.

As a group you have pointed to several "Parkour Deaths" of people who DIDN'T DO PARKOUR - the media made it that way, but now they have a story about a TRACEUR who DIED PRACTICING - do you think THEY are checking the forums to find out that you were lying? No, they will not, they will cite your death as "another parkour death.

I am not arguing with you, I am telling you what you did and how you did it was wrong and has bad consequences.

Thanks so much for a lesson I didn't need, in a way I didn't need it that puts a bad mark on Parkour and your team with no positive benefit (as you can see, people here are mad, not thankful for your "lesson").

I'm glad I personally wasted my time to spread your false information, only to have to waste more time to tell you that what you did is wrong and that the twisted logic you have made up to make it right is weak and doesn't reflect the true outcome.

I am happy that nobody died, however I am also very disappointed that this will not be the public perception, as they will have remembered the original notices far more than they are likely to check your weak explanations in forums.

Seriously, what made you think everyone needed a lesson from you? Greek traceurs with bad form and bad videos? go teach them, not try to fool them. If anything you have lost their trust, not changed their habits.

Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Chris Kessler on October 25, 2008, 08:38:13 PM
And thus was the atom bomb dropped.

Nice Mark.

I think this ends this thread basically.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Kyle Ryan on October 25, 2008, 08:43:55 PM
Woah - I did not - certainly not- apologize to anyone from Team Kinesis. I apologized to the people of
APK for posting information which I had TRIED to confirm by validating two separate sources.

OWNED.

I think you should spare us your pity stories and how you "wanted to change things in Greece," because you went about doing that affecting more than just the people in Greece and you did it in a very morally f#cked and extremely unnecessary way. By doing which you have lost almost all respect from American traceurs. So how about you keep that mental attitude out of our discipline, stop trying to get your 5 minutes of fame and go back to being the nobody that you were.

You have tarnished your name and the name of your fellow traceurs. Anyone who went with this "plan" is just as morally f#cked as you are.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Samuel96 on October 25, 2008, 09:01:24 PM
Guys, you need to step back, take a deep breath, and look at point of view. Eon could not continue teaching parkour in Greece if he was "dead," the information would leak after a while. So, he knew this would happen. He took a risk and let's not linger on the past because "what's done is done. We should not dwell on the past because he cannot change time. So, now that we know that the story is not true, lets pass it down, or rather the moral of the story." Let's look at the moral, instead of the falseness. And, no, some random moron should not just say "The moral is that Eon is just a moron!" NO!!!!

It is 1 vs 100, and Eon has a point. It is just not heard amidst the anger.

EDIT: "Play nice and we won't have any problems. Speak your mind, but do it with respect and dignity." -Mark>forum rules
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Spyder0527 on October 25, 2008, 09:17:24 PM
Guys, you need to step back, take a deep breath, and look at point of view. Eon could not continue teaching parkour in Greece if he was "dead," the information would leak after a while. So, he knew this would happen. He took a risk and let's not linger on the past because "what's done is done. We should not dwell on the past because he cannot change time. So, now that we know that the story is not true, lets pass it down, or rather the moral of the story." Let's look at the moral, instead of the falseness. And, no, some random moron should not just say "The moral is that Eon is just a moron!" NO!!!!

It is 1 vs 100, and Eon has a point. It is just not heard amidst the anger.

EDIT: "Play nice and we won't have any problems. Speak your mind, but do it with respect and dignity." -Mark>forum rules

I doubt they had any lesson in mind anyways.  The youtube tags clearly show that this story was intended to be a joke.  And a pretty sick one at that.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Samuel96 on October 25, 2008, 09:24:09 PM
Ummmmm WOW

If you think that someone that known would dosomething that arbitrary...just wow.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Kineticstorm on October 25, 2008, 10:51:01 PM
I'm just glad that I could take part in you're grand experiment. Thank you for teaching me that from now on when I hear someone has died to check the fine print and see what it has been tagged as. How stupid of me not to assume that that a complete stranger is lying to me with no obvious benefit for themselves. Guess you showed me.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Shae Perkins on October 25, 2008, 11:17:09 PM
I think we all should all just relax. Eon is a dumbass. What he did was inexcusable regardless of his so called "results". He messed up and we really can't change that. So I think we should all just get on with our training and our life and forget about it.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: KC Parsons on October 25, 2008, 11:20:56 PM
I think we all should all just relax. Eon is a dumbass. What he did was inexcusable regardless of his so called "results". He messed up and we really can't change that. So I think we should all just get on with our training and our life and forget about it.

To let the negatives of what happened completely blind you of the positives is the trademark of a fool.

Sure, we should feel at least a little wronged, but that doesn't mean there wasn't an educating aspect to what they did.


And yes, I think I speak for all of us in saying, "I'm already ahead of you on the just getting on with our training part."

Adapt, learn the most you can from all of your experiences in life, and assimilate it into your total-life schema.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Zachary Cohn on October 25, 2008, 11:21:24 PM

It is 1 vs 100, and Eon has a point. It is just not heard amidst the anger.


Is beating a dog an acceptable way to teach it that it was wrong?

Even if you have a valid point, sometimes the means and method of delivery are unacceptable and unnecessary.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Cellar on October 26, 2008, 12:08:46 AM
i gladly accept the consequences,
i understand that the means where far from acceptable. :)
Just know that the consequences were tarnishing your name and reputation, not only as a traceur, but as a man. Tarnishing the name and reputation of the Team you've allegedly worked so hard to build. And to an extent tarnishing the name of all traceurs by lying about dying while doing parkour, making it seem more dangerous than it actually is. You may have made some people wary about the truth of things they read on the internet, which may be good and bad. If you can fool a large portion of a community into believing they are dead, why should someone believe when an experienced traceur tells people to gradually progress because they might hurt themselves if they do too much too fast? You could have just written "Don't believe everything you read" and kept it out of parkour, because your lesson had NOTHING to do with any part of parkour.

In referrence to your "means" deceiving people so that they become less trustfull of information is akin to breaking into their house so that they'll get better security. Or running over their dog so that they'll tie it up better. Or beating them up so they'll learn how to defend themselves. You didn't help anyone more than you hurt them.

I'm glad you're alive and I hope that one day you'll be able to recognize that this was wrong.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Jackson Miller on October 26, 2008, 01:16:53 AM
i gladly accept the consequences,
i understand that the means where far from acceptable. :)

I just have one question EON.  Are you sorry?  If you think what you did (the means) was unacceptable, then are you sorry?  Or at least sorry for the affect you have had on people? 
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: ToPaxyGourouni on October 26, 2008, 01:43:55 AM
   @ Entity, Does it really matter if Eon is sorry? Will people abroad be less angry if Eon is sorry? If I had to make a guess, of course he is not sorry. He planned the thing from the start,he thought of the possibilities, including the possibility of people getting mad, why would he be sorry?

   @ Cellar: Cellar said: "And to an extent tarnishing the name of all traceurs by lying about dying while doing parkour, making it seem more dangerous than it actually is."
      Are you actually suggesting that parkour is not dangerous? That people cannot die by falling from rooftops while practicing parkour? Do you think what happened (supposedly) to Eon cannot actually happen? I really hope you reconsider, because that kind of thoughts is what will get someone killed for real some time.

   @ schopper32: Quote: "How stupid of me not to assume that that a complete stranger is lying to me with no obvious benefit for themselves."  
        On the other hand, feeling sorry for someone complete stranger to you dying is a smart move. People die all around the world every day. Their death is often on the internet of the news etc. Do you feel sorry for all of them? Plus, if you think that conclusion is what Eon was going after, then his video was a complete waste of time.

   @Alec Furtado: Quote: "In short, pull your head out of your ass. Grow up."
          You really, really need to learn how to communicate. And you really, really have to learn some manners. And you really, really need to grow up. You, not anyone else.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: KC Parsons on October 26, 2008, 01:52:25 AM
  @ Entity, Does it really matter if Eon is sorry? Will people abroad be less angry if Eon is sorry? If I had to make a guess, of course he is not sorry. He planned the thing from the start,he thought of the possibilities, including the possibility of people getting mad, why would he be sorry?

   @ Cellar: Cellar said: "And to an extent tarnishing the name of all traceurs by lying about dying while doing parkour, making it seem more dangerous than it actually is."
      Are you actually suggesting that parkour is not dangerous? That people cannot die by falling from rooftops while practicing parkour? Do you think what happened (supposedly) to Eon cannot actually happen? I really hope you reconsider, because that kind of thoughts is what will get someone killed for real some time.

   @ schopper32: Quote: "How stupid of me not to assume that that a complete stranger is lying to me with no obvious benefit for themselves."  
        On the other hand, feeling sorry for someone complete stranger to you dying is a smart move. People die all around the world every day. Their death is often on the internet of the news etc. Do you feel sorry for all of them? Plus, if you think that conclusion is what Eon was going after, then his video was a complete waste of time.

   @Alec Furtado: Quote: "In short, pull your head out of your ass. Grow up."
          You really, really need to learn how to communicate. And you really, really have to learn some manners. And you really, really need to grow up. You, not anyone else.


Some of your logic is sound, but remember, emotion and logic tend to conflict.
Emotion tending to win a lot more often than logic.

So if you were to have this conversation on the hypothetical situation of this entire event, you may get better response....however:
Because it already happened, and many traceurs here feel hurt (emotion), they won't try and reason (logic) with the ones who did it.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: ToPaxyGourouni on October 26, 2008, 01:56:25 AM
You are 100% right, and sadly emotion will always win against logic. That's why I personally lock away my keyboard when I am about to speak with emotions. I get absent from the forums until I am ready to speak logic again. Then again, it's only internet after all, it's one of the best, wonderful and lovely NOT important things in our life :)
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: KC Parsons on October 26, 2008, 01:59:08 AM
You are 100% right, and sadly emotion will always win against logic. That's why I personally lock away my keyboard when I am about to speak with emotions. I get absent from the forums until I am ready to speak logic again. Then again, it's only internet after all, it's one of the best, wonderful and lovely NOT important things in our life :)


I'd have to disagree on it not being important.
I've learned so much because of it.


Oh, and I wouldn't be a traceur, more than likely, if it weren't around.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: ToPaxyGourouni on October 26, 2008, 02:05:38 AM
What I mean is that internet probably taught you some things. As you said, you wouldn't be a traceur without it. So being a traceur is one wonderful and important thing in your life. As is your conditioning , which is exactly what made you a traceur. Also your aspects and opinions,as they are expressed through the internet , are also wonderful important things of your life. But internet itself, is just a means. Nothing more. It can be good info, but it can also be bad info, like in Eon's case. So that's what I was meant with "Internet is one of the Not important things". I should have explained it better, but I wanted to be poetic :S
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: KC Parsons on October 26, 2008, 02:08:20 AM
What I mean is that internet probably taught you some things. As you said, you wouldn't be a traceur without it. So being a traceur is one wonderful and important thing in your life. As is your conditioning , which is exactly what made you a traceur. Also your aspects and opinions,as they are expressed through the internet , are also wonderful important things of your life. But internet itself, is just a means. Nothing more. It can be good info, but it can also be bad info, like in Eon's case. So that's what I was meant with "Internet is one of the Not important things". I should have explained it better, but I wanted to be poetic :S

I wouldn't know how to condition properly if it weren't for the internet.
Much of the knowledge I've gained that shapes my aspects and opinions was via the internet.

It's just a means, yes, but those means will affect your life.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: noxteryn on October 26, 2008, 02:32:11 AM
Woah - I did not - certainly not- apologize to anyone from Team Kinesis. I apologized to the people of
APK for posting information which I had TRIED to confirm by validating two separate sources.
That's what I meant.
 :)

QMKC, you would have learned a lot more about how to condition properly if you visited a university library.
Books >> Internet.
That's how it'll always be.

Anyway, this seems to be getting dragged to eternity. Don't say stuff on the internet you wouldn't say in person. None of you guys would talk to Eon like that, if you met him in person. Let us all relax.

TK17 once said that what he likes about the community is that no matter our different points of view and disagreements on the internet, we always get along fine and have fun when we meet in real life. He has a point.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: KC Parsons on October 26, 2008, 02:41:34 AM
Woah - I did not - certainly not- apologize to anyone from Team Kinesis. I apologized to the people of
APK for posting information which I had TRIED to confirm by validating two separate sources.
That's what I meant.
 :)

QMKC, you would have learned a lot more about how to condition properly if you visited a university library.
Books >> Internet.
That's how it'll always be.

Anyway, this seems to be getting dragged to eternity. Don't say stuff on the internet you wouldn't say in person. None of you guys would talk to Eon like that, if you met him in person. Let us all relax.

TK17 once said that what he likes about the community is that no matter our different points of view and disagreements on the internet, we always get along fine and have fun when we meet in real life. He has a point.

That's not always true, but is a lot of the time.
However, finding out which books are most reliable can be found via the internet.

It's just so useful.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Chris Paul Keighley on October 26, 2008, 03:52:48 AM
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Then again, It is all about facing the facts in my opinion. People mourned for eon's death, and now he is alive they are angry... I am under the impression that when you mourn for someone, you basically do not want them to be dead. So when they actually prove to be alive, you get angry? Sounds like weird way of thinking to me.

    First of, why were you that sad? You did not know the guy, any of you. You were sorry because he (supposedly) died from pk practice. What if a traceur died from a car crash? Or from cancer? I bet none would be that sorry then. So it was not actually about eon's death, it was about someone dying from parkour. So it was all about juicy news after all.

You're wrong. Recently I guy that practised parkour died in our country and we did a demonstration to help raise funds to return his body to his native country.
HE DID NOT DIE DOING PARKOUR. But as members of a discipline with shared VALUES we wanted to help. If you can't understand that I don't know why you are here because you don't practise what I do.


And to Eon:   I have the good fortune to be friends with many guys who are very experienced and we all have the same view:  you don't have our support because your methods have no respect or value.

And to Nox: I find it ironic that someone who has been so vocal about the worldwide community NOT needing valuable resources like the experience of the original practitioners thinks that the world DOES need fake deaths.

And one final irony. You claim that this was done to highlight the need to check your facts from internet sources, but in the first defense by a member of your team, he quotes things about about a death in England by someone who didn't practise parkour, purely because he read it on the internet. Perhaps you should focus on educating your team before you lecture the world. Because we neither need nor want you.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: UR34N on October 26, 2008, 04:25:02 AM
Eon and Noxteryn, you serve absolutely no purpose.

I'll repeat what I said in my email to you when you sent your drivel......"Go f**k yourself!'
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: noxteryn on October 26, 2008, 05:04:55 AM
And to Nox: I find it ironic that someone who has been so vocal about the worldwide community NOT needing valuable resources like the experience of the original practitioners thinks that the world DOES need fake deaths.

And one final irony. You claim that this was done to highlight the need to check your facts from internet sources, but in the first defense by a member of your team, he quotes things about about a death in England by someone who didn't practise parkour, purely because he read it on the internet. Perhaps you should focus on educating your team before you lecture the world. Because we neither need nor want you.
If you read my posts, I clearly stated that I did it for the lulz. So, I don't think the world "needs" anything.

And what team are you talking about? I don't belong in any teams. Never did.
Title: Re: Eon Death a Hoax
Post by: Mark Toorock on October 26, 2008, 05:24:30 AM
did it for the lulz? Seriously?? If you were here, not only would I talk to you like I talk to people face to face, I would probably give you a very quick lesson in martial arts.

As far as I am concerned, nobody related to this incident has a leg to stand on, it was a childish and stupid prnk which has caused harm to the parkour community.

As EZ points out, you don't even have your facts straight and you base your "need for the lesson" on things which YOU read which weren't true.

In the story of the boy who cries wolf, people eventually stop listening to the boy, maybe you didn't get the point of that story.