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Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« on: April 03, 2008, 05:40:18 AM »
I thought I'd start a new topic so we could keep our ideas in one place.  Basically, I'm wondering what women in parkour are interested in that only other traceuses could offer, and if there are suggestions for how to bring more women into parkour.

Some ideas that have been bandied about-
Stickied articles (on what though?  specific training routines? health issues? stretching? how to deal with issues of respect? how to get started?)
T-Shirts
Mentoring (how would this work, some sort of "big sister" program, where a new traceuse is paired with an established one for advice and training, or whatever?)
An "official" organization (give us a name, we can use that as leverage when dealing with companies/other organizations? I'm thinking here that a request to a shoe company would have a bit more punch if it came from the association of american traceuses or something like that (i know, i know, it's a dull name but you get the point))
Women's jams (or at least efforts to meet each other at national jams and the like?)

Please, add more ideas here!  What do you wish for that only other traceuses would be able to help you with?  What can you offer other traceuses? 

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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2008, 04:13:44 PM »
So awesome, Phyto!

My head is buzzing with ideas, but I want to let them ferment a bit before posting. I'm glad you put this thread up. I'll for sure post something coherent as soon as it becomes so in my brain. :)

+1 to you for getting the ball rolling.
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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2008, 09:15:40 PM »
I agree with Muse; this is an awesome idea!

I know a lot of my friends are intimidated by their perception that it takes great strength that they simple don't-- and can't ever-- have, especially upper body strength.  I've been encouraging/enlightening them about this "obstacle" on two fronts:  1) You can develop more upper body strength than you think you can; and 2) Don't underestimate the importance of proper technique.  Your inability to take short-cuts and just "muscle" your way through progress will encourage and enable you to develop excellent technique, which is just (if not more) vital than strength.

Along those lines, maybe articles and resources that tackle conditioning and training specifically from this angle?  Or maybe testimonials?  Videos?  Anything that would be encouraging and empowering.

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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2008, 10:45:01 AM »
I really like most of these ideas. The thing I'm not too crazy about is a "women's jam." I think meeting up is great, but to branch off as a group doesn't appeal to me. It seems a little... clique-ish. How would we feel about a guys only jam, or an under-30 jam?

I do like everything else and I like networking. I just don't feel like we need to be exclusive of anyone, even to help an underrepresented group.
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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2008, 11:51:27 AM »
I was thinking of starting a thread on workout ideas - kinda like Demon's drills, only including some very basic training/strengthening exercises as well.  The idea would be that before you learn from Demon how to do a split-footed kong, you can learn how to build up arm strength to get confident with doing a kong in the first place.  Does this sound like a good idea?  I admit to being relatively new on the forums, has this been done before?

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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2008, 05:56:30 PM »
I really like most of these ideas. The thing I'm not too crazy about is a "women's jam." I think meeting up is great, but to branch off as a group doesn't appeal to me. It seems a little... clique-ish. How would we feel about a guys only jam, or an under-30 jam?

I do like everything else and I like networking. I just don't feel like we need to be exclusive of anyone, even to help an underrepresented group.

What if we had "Women's Jam," but not a "Women Only Jam?"  In other words, if there was an emphasis, but not an exclusiveness.  It could be made clear that guys are more than welcome as well.  I know a lot of guys have girlfriends, sisters, and female friends that they're trying to convince to get into Parkour, but these women feel largely intimidated or apprehensive, etc.  Maybe hosting such a jam would give them an encouraging context to check it out.  It would be something their friends/boyfriends/brothers could invite them to.

Just a thought that I had just now...




I was thinking of starting a thread on workout ideas - kinda like Demon's drills, only including some very basic training/strengthening exercises as well.  The idea would be that before you learn from Demon how to do a split-footed kong, you can learn how to build up arm strength to get confident with doing a kong in the first place.  Does this sound like a good idea?  I admit to being relatively new on the forums, has this been done before?

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I really like this idea.  That's actually how I was able to first do a kong--by building upper body strength to the point were I had confidence that my arms could actually support my weight.  I'm not sure if it's been done already, though.  I'm also not sure what format would be best.
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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2008, 06:23:24 PM »
I feel like that gets the idea across better. I know that if my boyfriend came with me that he would be off to the side taking pictures.

The drills would be pretty cool too.
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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2008, 02:54:02 PM »
I'm loving the idea of a mentor. As a woman it can be a bit intimidating to ask a bunch of questions to a bunch of guys. (which is how I learn things best) So having someone who could show you the ropes would rock.
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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2008, 05:41:23 AM »
I was thinking of starting a thread on workout ideas - kinda like Demon's drills, only including some very basic training/strengthening exercises as well.  The idea would be that before you learn from Demon how to do a split-footed kong, you can learn how to build up arm strength to get confident with doing a kong in the first place.  Does this sound like a good idea?  I admit to being relatively new on the forums, has this been done before?

-A

This is awesome idea. I really need to build some arm strength and anything would help!  :)

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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2008, 07:50:37 PM »
I'm loving the idea of a mentor. As a woman it can be a bit intimidating to ask a bunch of questions to a bunch of guys. (which is how I learn things best) So having someone who could show you the ropes would rock.

Well, how about if we matched up new traceuses with mentors, here on APK, if they indicated a wish for one? Who here is interested in being a mentor?

We could start a separate thread for it, and match people up there. The only drawback is, if they are in different areas and unable to get together often in person, it might not be any different than just coming here and posting something for everyone to help with. I really like the idea of a mentor program as well, but I am still struggling with what it would look like.

As to the workout ideas thread, I think that's awesome. Phyto, if you want to do something like that, go for it! I have my "stickying button" at the ready.

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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2008, 05:20:56 AM »
Well, how about if we matched up new traceuses with mentors, here on APK, if they indicated a wish for one? Who here is interested in being a mentor?

We could start a separate thread for it, and match people up there. The only drawback is, if they are in different areas and unable to get together often in person, it might not be any different than just coming here and posting something for everyone to help with. I really like the idea of a mentor program as well, but I am still struggling with what it would look like.

*nods* I think the thread idea is a good one, though you're right about the difficulty with different folks in different locations. We could always try to match up women in the same area if at all possible since the idea is to get out and away from the computer and actually move. *grins* But asking questions on here does in a pinch too.

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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2008, 09:34:37 AM »
Hey all-

I'm working on a few exercise ideas, I should have them finished this week! 

As for mentoring - I imagine that how the relationships work would have to depend on the people.  I don't think there are enough of us on this board to match local people, but I see a few ways in which long-distance mentoring might work. A mentor could help establish realistic training goals, and help monitor the training (or just be another source of motivation for training).  They could also help point a traceuse to good resources for information and help, and hopefully answer questions.  Overall, I'd hope the mentoring would be mostly a way of getting other women to know they're not alone.  It would be better if we could match up local people to they could train together, but barring that, internet mentoring can be useful.  What do y'all think?  I'd be very happy to be a mentor, and would not mind organizing partnerships, either, if people want to go ahead with this idea. 

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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2008, 04:52:51 PM »
Can't wait to see the exercise ideas, Phyto! Sounds great!

As to your mentoring comments: Agreed. I'd be happy to be a mentor too, and could organize partnerships as well; although it may make more sense for one person to do it, to avoid miscommunication, things slipping through the cracks, etc.

I suggest we have two threads: one for "Traceuses seeking mentors" and another for "Traceuses willing to be mentors." Ladies can post in both threads. I can make up a specific format to fill out in both, that helps us match people. We could make the formats complete enough to give us an idea of the person's strengths, weaknesses, and needs; but still would protect privacy so people feel comfortable posting there.

We can review the "Seeking" posts, and match them up with the "Willing" posts. I suggest we notify both parties via PM, "Your mentor is So-n-so (or 'Your mentoree is Such-n-such')."

I also propose that the mentor be responsible for making the initial contact with the mentoree, within 48 hours of getting the PM. Then the pairs can decide together what their preferred mode of communication would be, and how often they would get together, etc.

I envision the mentor being the initial "go to" person for questions. So if a mentoree has a question about training, diet, jams, techniques, anything at all; she can contact her mentor if that is preferable to posting a question on the forums. This means the mentor must be intimately familiar with the forums, in order to direct the mentoree to the appropriate place (if the answer can be found here); alternatively, of course, the mentor can and should share personal experience, advice from other sources, etc. Whatever is needed to best guide the mentoree.

Sometimes between mentor and mentoree there is initial awkwardness, as neither party knows, really, what the mentoree needs. So some initial topics to get the ball rolling might be:

Training: goal-setting, advice, program design, encouragement
Diet: advice, tracking, directing towards resources
Parkour History and Culture
Jam etiquette and "what to expect," travel arrangements, etc.
Shoes
General issues: being a woman in a male-dominated discipline (pros and cons), social aspects, training differences, etc.
Common ground with prior experience (martial arts, gymnastics, etc.)

It may be useful, at some point in the future, for "The Women of APK" to have a jam where mentors and mentorees can meet in person and have not only a women's jam, but also kind of some time to connect, reflect, and celebrate the mentoring experience. Something to think about for the future, maybe.

Lastly, I propose a limit on the mentoree:mentor ratio of 5:1. Does this sound good? Too high? Too low?

Thoughts/suggestions?
« Last Edit: April 26, 2008, 08:10:34 PM by Muse_of_Fire »
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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2008, 07:03:32 PM »
Wow. This is one of the most organized groups of peeps EVER!

I'd be up for some sort of mentoring set-up (that is, to be the 'mentored'). I'm as remote as can be from the rest of you all, but online comm works for me. :)

I like the idea of females being able to train with other females at jams, or knowing at least another person there (less daunting). I'm going to be in NYC 15-20 July and would love to train with some peeps over there (and if there's another female, great!).


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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2008, 08:18:28 PM »
Yay! Glad to hear it, 4-E. :) If you'll be in NY soon I would try to connect with Ann. She would be a great person to connect with if you can. You might want to look around the NYPK forums a bit to try to get in touch with her. Check here: http://www.nyparkour.com/

Also if you want, the East coast of the US is "dense" enough geographically that if you had time you could probably make it to DC for a day to train at Primal, which I believe is where Phyto is.

As to the mentoring ideas...

In the absence of strong objections I think I will go ahead and set up the aforementioned threads and get the mentoring program going, structurally. If you have suggestions or objections, let me know. I'm kind of faking my way in the dark, here; more heads are better than one, definitely. :)
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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2008, 04:28:35 AM »
Thanks again for the tips! Will check out www.nyparkour.com. Sadly, there's not enough time for a trip to DC this July :'(.

Muse: please go ahead with setting up the aforementioned threads. Let's get the show/combi-van on the road!  ;D

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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2008, 02:03:59 PM »
Muse-

I really like the idea of place where people can request mentoring and to be a mentor.  Maybe it could just be one thread rather than two?  Good suggestions on topics and how to match people, also. 

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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2008, 09:58:00 PM »
Wow,  I'm really impressed at the organizational skills and dedication here.  This is awesome.

I'm all about the mentoring resources.  It's made a huge impact on my community.  I'm a little dubious as to how it would work without the face to face time, but willing to give it a go.   One thread would probably be easier all the way around (less work for the mods to do with PMing and the like).  Simple is nice.

As for training and conditioning tips: direction in conditioning is always inspirational.  Especially if it can help make conditioning more effective in your training.  That's part of the reason I'm so stoked to check out Primal Fitness in July. Having a place to share tips and tricks would be really nice. I'd love to see what you ladies have found that works for you.   

Regarding femme jams that don't exclude the boys:  This has been an issue on the Seattle scene ever since the first femme jam a year ago.  The femme jams weren't about exclusion of men, they were about rallying up and sharing support and experience.  It was a chance to see who was interested in parkour, and address women-specific training concerns. The guys on the scene have no problem with this.  But after a while I started to think .. how would i feel if there was a "man-jam"?  And the answer was .. offended.  After asking the girls attending these jams what they thought about having a male coach along, the general consensus was that the same comfort level couldn't be achieved with a guy around. Is that silly? I'd love to talk about the issues surrounding this topic in more detail.  Does anyone else have views on this? 

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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2008, 12:13:20 AM »
I am really interested in the mentoring idea.. I haven't really looked to see if it's up or not yet being new to APK..  I'm new and parkour doesn't really exist in my area :'( .  Even if i couldn't actually meet in person with a mentor i'd love to have one for motivation, tips, etc..  I've picked up on parkour from my boyfriend, who no longer lives near me to teach me, and doesn't quite take me seriously on the parkour subject because i'm his girlfriend. So having a woman mentor who i know would take me seriously and help would be great.

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Re: Ideas for more organization of traceuses
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2008, 07:45:26 PM »
I am really interested in the mentoring idea.. I haven't really looked to see if it's up or not yet being new to APK..  I'm new and parkour doesn't really exist in my area :'( .  Even if i couldn't actually meet in person with a mentor i'd love to have one for motivation, tips, etc.. 

I hope to have the mentoring thing up this weekend. I will be with my in-laws though so... fingers crossed!

I've picked up on parkour from my boyfriend, who no longer lives near me to teach me, and doesn't quite take me seriously on the parkour subject because i'm his girlfriend.

Um... this is really none of my business and I don't know you or your situation, but for the record, this sentence made me really mad. At the risk of passing premature and unfair judgments, that strikes me as a really disrespectful thing for him to do.

Just had to throw that out there.
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