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Offline jmanndriver

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« on: February 07, 2006, 02:21:01 PM »
I have relized something that i find annoying and stereo typical about parkour videos. You always see the people running like they are getting shot at. I mean if you are in a life or death situation run idk. but when your going from point a to point b you dont have to run. i mean if i am approaching an obstical i will walk until i get close enough to where i have to run, then when i land it i will continue WALKING. if you need to go to a job interview and you are going to be late you dont want to be dirty and smell bad. so walk until you are getting close enough to the obsticle to need to run.
  when i am dong parkour with some buds i dont run the whole time i do it i walk then when i get close enough i run. you dont need to waste your energy on running when it is uneccesary.
 I also did read the post by klayman on parkour essentials and i find this to be along the path of what the man is mad about. the stereotyping of parkour.
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Re: running.
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2006, 03:15:22 PM »
Are we talking about the same sport? Parkour, the art of getting from a to b as quickly and efficiently as possible?
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Re: running.
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2006, 03:31:00 PM »
You should check out the "essence of parkour" post in the parkour forum, it really explains it all ;)
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Re: running.
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2006, 03:35:54 PM »
Yea um.....yea. You got to think about it like this. Parkour is used as a means of escape or to be used to get somewhere quickly. Now if i was going to  job interview and was late if i just walked then the premise of parkour would sorta be destroyed. Although i get what you're trying to say about saving energy. If you're not going to run it's sorta useless to save energy. As twitch said it's about getting to point B efficently. I don't think that means saving energy as much as taking the best path.
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Re: running.
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2006, 04:12:09 PM »
what i meant by the job interview is that you would have to run unless u were able to do parkour. Also from what i have heard people don't follow the basic principles of parkour anyways so i am sorry if i have tweaked my beleifs of what parkour is and can be used as.
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Re: running.
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2006, 04:44:28 PM »
i do, and a lot of the nj/ny (esp nj though, mad props) traceurs do. people who trick stand out so ..
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Re: running.
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2006, 09:24:16 PM »
Well of course you aren't going to be constantly running when at a jam, but if you're doing a run where you vault one rail then another, it would be kinda lame to vault one then mosey on over to the next one.
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Re: running.
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2006, 12:08:18 PM »
yes it would. but i mean like if they are like 100ft apart type of ting. i would jog to the next one if they were that ffar away.
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Re: running.
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2006, 02:23:04 PM »
"what i meant by the job interview is that you would have to run unless u were able to do parkour" - JMAN

JMAN, I think you may be confused as to which of your actions are considered Parkour. It is a common misconception that one is only doing Parkour when using the vaults and other techniques we drill frequently. The reality of this situation is that it is a combination of your minset and motions (rather than the motions alone) that make what you are doing Parkour.

Many people do not understand that the most frequently used technique in Parkour is simple running. In many situations, there will be a streach of open space, an obstacle to overcome, and then more open space. If you are traversing this terrain with your sole goal being to get from one side of the space to the other(to reach) as quickly as possible, than you are doing Parkour - although 90% of the time you are just running!
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Re: running.
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2006, 04:44:25 PM »
parkour is the most effective way to get from where you are to where you want to be.  Effective being the best balance between speed and efficiency, sometimes you wanna book like there's no tomorrow, and sometimes you wanna mosey along so as to have the energy to make the distance.  your goals determine your path.
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Re: running.
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2006, 04:59:28 PM »
True, but of course you woudn't be moseying if you were being chased by a crazed madman who had just escaped from "the crazy maniac place for crazy maniacs" (or Crazed Maniacs Inc. to put in laymans terms).  Now chances are this wont be happening to you on a regulary bases, but the one time it does happen I would like to be prepared for it ;).  Thats why I tend to run quite a bit when I'm practicing, after all "train hard so you can play hard" ;), even though parkour isn't technically "playing", it can sure be as fun sometimes ;D.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2006, 08:01:41 PM »
Quote from: Steez on February 09, 2006, 04:44:25 PM
parkour is the most effective way to get from where you are to where you want to be.  Effective being the best balance between speed and efficiency, sometimes you wanna book like there's no tomorrow, and sometimes you wanna mosey along so as to have the energy to make the distance.  your goals determine your path.
Steez,
This is not a definition or description of Parkour I am familiar with. Are these your own words or was this a description given on another website? - which is what I am assuming the parentheses mean. If from another website, could you please post a link so I could read up about it?
Thanks for your help (I've gotta stay current),
 - Kipup



Ooohhh, and JMAN - "when i am dong parkour with some buds i dont run the whole time"
Just semantics, but it is generally viewed that when out with friends training(in a scenario similar to the one you have described) - Traceurs are often not "doing Parkour". Rather they are training movements that might prove to be of use in a situation that requires the Traceur to escape or reach a destination quickly(use Parkour).

For example:
Scenario 1: If I am sessioning the same wall at my school over and over to work my basic vaults in the never-ending quest to perfect them and improve my physical shape - this is considered training Parkour type movements, not actual Parkour.

Scenario 2: If I then decide to get from that wall to a point on the other side of my school as quickly as possible using my environment to my advantage instead of constraining me -this shift in mindset is what makes the sum of all of theses movements "Parkour"
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Re: running.
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2006, 08:42:23 PM »
yes i know, but what i am ratting at is the vids. you cant make a vid of parkour you can make a vid of the techniques in parkour. thats why i got ticked about the guy always running.
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Re: running.
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2006, 07:27:41 AM »
yeah but with most parkour videos they are trying to mimic the chase escape scenario.
If it is a training video however displaying the skill of the traceur. Would you want to see him walking or doing the techniques? such as a set of rails would you want to see the guy vault a rail, land, stand up and walk then vault another rail, not impressive, this doesn't show how much mastery of the techniques he has. Because vaults and other techniques at speed are much harder and therefore much more impressive.
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Re: running.
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2006, 12:51:43 PM »
parkour techs are meaningless without the net displacement, and are really boring to watch, imo. va's Dispersion vid was excellent that way, i got swept up on a wave of extacy because i could put myself in their place and feel the movement
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Re: running.
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2006, 09:25:12 PM »
Quote from: LockDown on February 11, 2006, 07:27:41 AM
yeah but with most parkour videos they are trying to mimic the chase escape scenario.
 Would you want to see him walking or doing the techniques?

The awnser is yes. i would like to be able to see what he was foing in detail and a couple of times so maybe i could perfect my form.
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2006, 10:10:20 PM »
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The awnser is yes. i would like to be able to see what he was foing in detail and a couple of times so maybe i could perfect my form.
The purpose of most Parkour videos is to display the techniques/skills of the participants.

It sounds like you'd like to see more tutorial videos. Tutorial/educational type videos have been done before (vaults 102 is a great example of one), and I believe there is a relatively high profile tutorial video scheduled to be released quite soon...
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Re: running.
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2006, 06:00:02 PM »
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The awnser is yes. i would like to be able to see what he was foing in detail and a couple of times so maybe i could perfect my form.
The purpose of most Parkour videos is to display the techniques/skills of the participants.

It sounds like you'd like to see more tutorial videos. Tutorial/educational type videos have been done before (vaults 102 is a great example of one), and I believe there is a relatively high profile tutorial video scheduled to be released quite soon...

Exactly
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Re: running.
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2006, 04:34:35 PM »
ok kipup that is what i am looking for. where exactly are some sites with tutorial videos.
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Re: running.
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2006, 05:38:22 PM »
I have vaults 102, but since I had absolutely nothing to do with it I'm not sure if I should host it.
Any thoughts??
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