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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2007, 12:20:17 AM »
I keep trying them, but something still feels a little bit off. I have about a minute of me practicing it that I decided to upload. I mumble to myself about how bad I thought the first roll was. Whoops.

If any of you want to check it out, it's here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=oe4AuYjUIPw

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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2007, 11:45:23 AM »
Hey bro, the rolling looks good, but the starting and ending position need to be fixed. Yous right knee is up, so you should be rooling on your right shoulder. If you feel more comfortable rollong on your left shoulder then lift your left knee and kneel on your right. Same thing when you finish, your left left should be in front on your right leg. Watch my tutorial again... try to repeat what you see in there.
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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2007, 12:18:31 PM »
1)WOW, Ozzi, you just keep cranking out awsome tutorials like a machine. If everyone like your tuts. as much as I do your karma would look something like this-  +23987/however much you have been smited

2)I tried to roll on concrete once and i hurt like crap so i stoped and gonna vid. Myself when i can.

3)Learn to roll on concerete properly before you try drops-TRUST ME CONCRETE IS UNFORGIVING AND HARDER THAN YOUR HEAD

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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2007, 10:26:06 PM »
Zxmbies: The rolls are pretty good overall, I just have a couple suggestions. There is really no point in putting your left leg out when you start your roll, because if you put your foot out before a roll while doing parkour, that defeats the purpose of a roll. They are meant to dissipate force, and once you take a step the force is all gone, so there is no benefit. Practice landing on two feet and then going into a roll, with no pause between landing and rolling(or only a very, very small pause...think milliseconds).

Someone else can read this and see if this suggestion is right, cause I don't really know from the video if this is what he is doing. It seems like, after you make first contact with your shoulder, you kind of land straight on the ground with your back, as opposed to rolling into it. This hurts your flow, and it is prolly more painful than normal rolls. So really try and imagine the roll where you never lose contact with the ground, but the contact you have is short and only one point of your body touches at one time. That sounds a little weird, but I'm basically saying have better flow.

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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2007, 10:44:38 PM »
Zxmbies: The rolls are pretty good overall, I just have a couple suggestions. There is really no point in putting your left leg out when you start your roll, because if you put your foot out before a roll while doing parkour, that defeats the purpose of a roll. They are meant to dissipate force, and once you take a step the force is all gone, so there is no benefit. Practice landing on two feet and then going into a roll, with no pause between landing and rolling(or only a very, very small pause...think milliseconds).

Someone else can read this and see if this suggestion is right, cause I don't really know from the video if this is what he is doing. It seems like, after you make first contact with your shoulder, you kind of land straight on the ground with your back, as opposed to rolling into it. This hurts your flow, and it is prolly more painful than normal rolls. So really try and imagine the roll where you never lose contact with the ground, but the contact you have is short and only one point of your body touches at one time. That sounds a little weird, but I'm basically saying have better flow.

In regards to the legs yes you are right. As Ozzi said you should be rolling on the same leg you have up. However when considering a new traceur always encourage baby steps first. Which is to say, Zxmbies should look forward to practicing on two feet soon. However for the moment it is obvious he still needs to learn the basics on the ground plane before moving up.

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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2007, 12:50:50 PM »
In regards to the legs yes you are right. As Ozzi said you should be rolling on the same leg you have up. However when considering a new traceur always encourage baby steps first. Which is to say, Zxmbies should look forward to practicing on two feet soon. However for the moment it is obvious he still needs to learn the basics on the ground plane before moving up.

Tis true. Just make sure you can unlearn the one-foot-forward, before you start two-footed rolls. Cause if you can't, you will basically have to start over again.

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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2007, 02:54:45 PM »
 I dont think you need to "unlearn" the starting position you just gotta be able to transition, knowing both wil be more helpfull than knowing one.
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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2007, 03:33:11 PM »
Thanks for all your help guys. The rolls are coming along great. They're becoming near painless except for one thing. Let's say I'm doing a right shoulder to left hip roll. When I come through the roll, my lower left leg slams into the ground. Now I've seen M2's tutorial on rolls too, so thankfully I haven't shattered my ankle, but I feel like if my ankle were where my left leg foreleg was, it would get messed up. Basically, my left leg comes down hard, not smooth. I don't know how to stop that from happening so... any tips?
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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2007, 03:43:27 PM »
tuck it in more, you have it straight out, keep it tucked as you roll.
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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2007, 05:32:30 AM »
did anyone eelse mention that instead of following the perfect form ozzi demonstrates in his tut i.e. from shoulder to opposite hip, he's coming out of the rool with both hips down.  this can put a lot of strain on the spine because it naturally curves back in that area.
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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2007, 02:29:02 PM »
 
 I am sorry my friend, but I never come out of my roll with both hips down. I have been rolling for over 50 ;D years, I learned that a LONG LONG time ago. ;D

 Look at the ending position. By leading with my right leg on front all the time, the hips tilt making IMPOSSIBLE for both hips to hit the ground I am getting to the final position. If I were hitting both hips my ending position would be chest facing the front both legs coming forward together.

 Sorry to disappoint you, but there is almost nothing wrong with this technique, and I say almost because I am not perfect.  ;)
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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2008, 05:29:19 PM »
oops, i must've missed a clarity point.  i was referring to Zxmbies video of his technique.  from what i saw he was coming out both hips down.  i watched your tutorial ozzi.  i was able to clean up my own rolls with it.
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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2008, 06:54:45 PM »
yea...Zxmbies you have to lead with your other hand

ive been doing them for almost 14 years...and i have them down perfect...

like earlier today...i clipped my feet doing a monkey i normally do all the time but i didnt this time and i took a face first dive but luckily i tucked and rolled out...i did land on my shoulder but it woulda been a lot worse if i hadnt of rolled

also...learn both sides...cuz sometimes you cant always roll right or left sided...it depends on how you come out of something...which foot you have forward...but if you land with both feet side by side then you can roll which ever side you prefer

i wish i had a good camera so i can make a tutorial but ozzi's good enough

another thing...ozzi...i see you doing this...but most people don't realize...but in order to have an good efficent roll you want to be facing the same direction you go into the roll...the same direction and not off to the side

exentually...when you get it down you can come out of it in any direction you wish...to the left side...the right side...even backwards...its all about foot placement

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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2008, 12:30:20 PM »
I'm new and just started to try doing rolls.  I'm rolling from right shoulder to left hip.  At first my shoulder hurt, but I tucked my head more and now it doesn't.  However, I'm getting some bad pain on my hip.  What can I do to prevent this?

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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2008, 01:08:37 PM »
Hmm...i think it might be that you are landing on it instead of rolling on it...but idk exactly...just try to get the feeling along the diagonal "line" on your back...sorry if that doesnt help...thats all i cant think of
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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2008, 03:50:03 PM »
That might be the problem.  I'm too tender right now, but when I'm feeling better I'll go try it slow on the unforgiving concrete and hopefully I'll found out what I'm doing wrong fairly quickly... ;D

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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2008, 12:21:53 PM »
yea...Zxmbies you have to lead with your other hand

ive been doing them for almost 14 years...and i have them down perfect...

like earlier today...i clipped my feet doing a monkey i normally do all the time but i didnt this time and i took a face first dive but luckily i tucked and rolled out...i did land on my shoulder but it woulda been a lot worse if i hadnt of rolled

also...learn both sides...cuz sometimes you cant always roll right or left sided...it depends on how you come out of something...which foot you have forward...but if you land with both feet side by side then you can roll which ever side you prefer

i wish i had a good camera so i can make a tutorial but ozzi's good enough

another thing...ozzi...i see you doing this...but most people don't realize...but in order to have an good efficent roll you want to be facing the same direction you go into the roll...the same direction and not off to the side

exentually...when you get it down you can come out of it in any direction you wish...to the left side...the right side...even backwards...its all about foot placement

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I am not sure if you are saying I am facing off to the side or not. I have also been rolling for over 15 years if not more (Im 27, been doing martial arts and what not all my life), I can roll from pretty much every position. I do face forward, although it really doesnt matter because your body follows where your eyes spot.

It might look a little tilted because I am on a sitting position so my shoulders are slanted a bit. But trust me, I have the roll down, you might have  noticed I roll different ways on the video, to the side, backwards, dive roll etc.

I am always open minded about new techniques but when it comes to my rolls I really need little or not advice. Thanks though.
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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2008, 02:27:09 PM »
Oh did you think I was critquing your rolls? haha sorry...no you're rolls are perfect...but thank god for judo when i was younger to teach me how to fall and roll...it really helped a lot.
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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2008, 03:52:08 PM »
i've got a question about rolling if nobody minds. well... it's kind of about rolling. kung fu has taught me how to fall, how to roll (even from tall things), and how to dive and roll, but how do you go into a roll from a dive through something? i keep hitting the back of my calf on the top of the thing i'm diving through and having to limp around for ten minutes before i can run again. i'm assuming this isn't supposed to happen.
P.S. i hope nobody minds that i'm asking this on a thread of somebody else's.
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Re: Roll Pain
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2008, 07:13:08 PM »
it just takes control...you should practice with something softer haha...you can even do a little demon drill of the month with the duct tape for underbars...but just put 2 strips of duct tape and try to dive roll through the space
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