Topic: I need some advice

[Muhammad]

Muhammad, you are in no place to define what is or isn't "of wisdom".

There is a biological addiction to weed, and there IS a psychological dependency on weed.

LOL!

That's your opinion mate. My father is dead as a direct result of marijuana and the laws against it, so lets just leave it at that. I think I am in a fair enough position to speak with knowledge about the subject, and have enough experience to say that meddling with affairs that are illegal is not wise. I'm not trying to come down on anyone's head, but I am genuinely concerned for you all because of my own personal life experience regarding controlled substances and the effects that breaking the laws surrounding them can have on your family and your life.

[Overdrive]

Muhammad, you are in no place to define what is or isn't "of wisdom".

There is a biological addiction to weed, and there IS a psychological dependency on weed.

LOL!

That's your opinion mate. My father is dead as a direct result of marijuana and the laws against it, so lets just leave it at that. I think I am in a fair enough position to speak with knowledge about the subject, and have enough experience to say that meddling with affairs that are illegal is not wise. I'm not trying to come down on anyone's head, but I am genuinely concerned for you all because of my own personal life experience regarding controlled substances and the effects that breaking the laws surrounding them can have on your family and your life.

I agree completely Muhammad, my step dad did marijuana, and the effect it had on him was frightening to see as a small child, the use or even simple affiliation with controlled substances is a very unwise choice to make, regardless of how honorable your intentions may be. Also, it's such a shame that people these days take such poor care of their bodies, and drugs just add to that lack of personal care.

Personally, I have a step sister, and an...acquaintance who do marijuana, and I also met a guy who did it, I stay out of it, I keep busy enough looking after myself and my own life to worry about poor decisions others make, there are lessons that can and need to be learned by the experiences and choices we make in life, and I'm not about to interfere with that. Also, I agree to the point that it is their decision, and their's alone. Let her know you disagree with her choice, and move on. Focus on SELF-improvement so as you can more effectively help others, this may seem to be an overused phrase in our (parkour) community, but...

"One's got to be strong to be useful"

Best of luck

[Cliff Boz]

I know this might not help Canavi atm, but here are some pretty thurough resources & facts RE marijuana:
Here
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[Muhammad]

It's expensive, it's illegal, and when you're are stoned, you lose coordination, and your spacial perception is altered, impairing your ability to make good judgement when doing things like parkour for example. Not only that, once you have become psychologically addicted to it, there comes times when you're going through a dry spell (no weed to be found), you will go through emotional turbulence, such as a having a short temper (sometimes anger and violence), depression, anxiety, etc.. I have seen it all firsthand, and grew up around it my whole life, so I'm not talking out of ignorance. If you are caught breaking the laws, which will inevitably happen if you keep it up, you will lose money, maybe go to jail, etc. If you become too deeply involved in it, the risks go way up. Once large amounts of money are being involved, you start seeing people becoming extremely violent, or going to federal prison and serving long sentences, huge fines, loss of property (your house, etc.), sometimes people getting murdered, so on and so forth. I have seen all of this happen personally.

[Zuxzux]

Still safer than Alcohol though...

[Matt Hudson]

Ok.
I agree with Muse on this one guys.


My opinions differ immensely Muhammad.
My experiences.
And governmental, and scientific research all come to the same conclusions.
I disregard you words, for the simple fact, that you are the first and only person to have claimed their father was killed directly by marijuana.
Marijuana can't kill you unless you're allergic to it.
And in any case that's no reason to be bias about it.
You can be allergic to bee's, get stung and die.
I'm not trying to hurt your feelings, cause I understand that this can be a very touchy subject to most.
However. I fear that you cannot grow as a person.
If you continue to not be open minded, and believe in your side of this matter to the point that every time someone post something saying, weed is okay, you close your ears to it, and come up with a way to change their mind.

No one will ever change their mind on this.
For the simple fact that is this.
People who smoke it, or have smoked it... Know it isn't bad.

People who never have smoked it.... Believe that it is evil.

This will never change... The people who have never smoked it however, can smoke it and possibly change, but not if they are close minded, and have made up their minds to try it, but not accept the change of their views. And so they might think. "I like it, but it's evil"

In accordance some might smoke it and not like it, they may not enjoy the effects, in which case you don't have to smoke it, no one is forcing you to. Hell there's some people that don't like it.

All in all, and this has been said many many times.
All in all, people will never change their views, based on someones words.
So give up, you don't have to change your views, and opinions.
And you should stop trying to changes anyones.
Cause an argument will just take over as it has now.

For the sanctity of this forum, and the sake of all of you. And for the sake of my peace of mind.
Do your damned research.
ok?
I have been smoking weed for 3 years.
Because of my mom however.
I have been studying it for almost 12 years.
yes since the age of 7.
I know a lot about it.
I know more than anyone that hasn't done the research, and a little less than the scientist.
I have studied the laws, and effects.
I know the truth, not because I wanted to prove it was good,
But because I wanted to see "What it's all about"

If ANY OF YOU have questions.
Come to me, I will answer them.

For the time being however.
Can we just have a topic about drugs, that doesn't become an opinion fight?
For instance, as Muse said.
Help this boy with his friends decision.
And I think that has been done.

So my contribution with the exception of the above said.
Is this.
Unless you have advice for this boy, about his friend.
Please refrain from posting.
I'm not your boss.
I'm just tired of all the arguments.
You say this forum is not about that.
Prove it.


I am done.

-Paddy

[Muhammad]

Paddy, you are making too many assumptions about me, my personal experiences, and my family history. You really have no clue as to what my background is, and what type of experience or knowledge I have concerning this subject. You also have to understand, that I am 34 years old. That means I have already grown as a person into a full fledged adult. Simply because I hold an opinion that is opposite of yours does not mean that I am no longer developing as a person. It also does not mean that I am close-minded. I have simply made an informed decision regarding the use of illegal drugs, and it happens that my opinion is opposite of yours. I am probably almost twice as old as you, which means I have a lot more experience to base my opinions and statements on. In your assumption that I have no knowledge of marijuana, or less knowledge of it than yourself, you have no proof for which to base those assumptions or to even lead you to that conclusion, and like I said before, you have no idea about my family history or background.. so your statement is premature. Don't rush to conclusions. Wait 15 years more, and then re-evaluate your statements. I was once just like you, a long time ago.

There are plenty of people in this world who have used it extensively, and then based upon their experience, decided it was bad, which contradicts what you have claimed. There are also plenty of research scientists who would agree with them.

I am simply disagreeing with the notion that weed is all good, and that disagreement is based upon extensive experience, which includes highly unusual circumstances that the normal American could probably not even identify with. It is a valid opinion, and one I do not usually share. In this case I saw the benefit of sharing it for the overall good of our companion traceurs. Drugs and athletics do not mix well. At some point, you will most likely have to choose one or the other. I would recommend choosing the athletic activities. I think if you will look around, it will be very hard for you to find a real athlete who is at the same time a pot-head. I suggest you try to contact some of the original traceurs at some point, such as David Belle, or Sebastien Foucan and the likes, and question them about their opinions on the usage of illegal drugs and how it pertains to the discipline of parkour.

Finally, my father did not die as a result of smoking marijuana. He died as a result of the lifestyle that accompanies a long history of involvement with it, at a level few will ever experience or would ever want to.

[Matt Hudson]

ok.
To start off.
My previous post was directed towards all members of the forum.

This post however I will start off like this.

I made no assumptions towards your knowledge or intellect Muhammad, nor about you in general.
However I did state that I do know a fair bit about Marijuana.

Dear Muhammad
I have already made my choice about drugs as well.
I chose athletics.
I am no longer a kid, and it was time to grow up and do something worth my time.
I would agree that there are some that believe after years of smoking it, have finally decided it is bad.
But those are the few that believe Marijuana was the reason their lives went to shit, and don't want to take responsibility for their actions.
Or
Like I said, decided they didn't like it, because they realized the bads, outweighed the goods.
Goods are= the high
Bads= illegal, loss of money, bad choices, health risk, etc.

I understood you were 34 before you posted the above as well.
I am very informed on many different levels.
And I agree you have more knowledge than I.
Intelligence however is quite different.

Before this goes further however, I would like to state, and this is not merely kissing ass.
You are one of my main influences on this community.

Back to subject:
Weed is not all good.
There are health risk involved with overuse, such is the same with anything in this world.
Soda pop, candy, things that are deemed unhealthy but are still in use, and remain widely used.

There is TEMPTATION
Temptation to sit on your couch and smoke weed all day.
Plenty of other temptations, that I would rather not go into, and have experienced.

I have grown because of Marijuana, but have also taken myself, my life, and many other things for granted.
Weed helps you retain your child like self.
So many believe" Those stoner's are so immature"
Why yes, yes they can be.
And like I said, I believed it was time to grow up.
I will continue to smoke pot, probably on my birthday and 4/20
for the rest of my life.
twice a year. ahahaha
I have concluded in the end, what matters most.
What I want.
What I need.
And have made a good decision.
I gave into temptation, and am slowly making my way back up.

I have been through so much during my life.
I have experienced so much, and had to deal with so much.
But I understand.
SO HAS EVERYBODY!
Whether or not I have experienced more or less of that which you have Muhammad is not for me to say.
And I will not have a "pity me" topic stating, have I been through more or has he?
I have been told my whole life to get over it.
And so I did.
But I understand any statement I use, can and will be used against me in the excuse of defense.
So I will stop that there.

Again realize this is not meant to be offensive.
If it is, please tell me so.
No really. Please.

When I stated that you would not grow , if you weren't open minded, please understand that.
You have your opinion.
That you have defended rightly so.
But have you considered that possibly.
I know what I'm talking about.
Although young.
And maybe, just maybe, you should take it all into consideration, rather than think, oh I can say this, in defense to that.

For instance.
Regarding your post.
It seems we have both had a hard time with life.
My father shot himself in the head due to the "alcoholics Lifestyle" Right in front of his mother.
Everyday in elementary school, and middle school, and some in high school I was bullied extensively.
When I say everyday, it is not an exaggeration.
My only break was to skip school.
I have had to deal with an abusive alcoholic father.
A temperamental mother who suffers from delusional paranoia.
Sisters entering womanhood.
Pets dying.
I've dealt with gangs, and getting shot at.
Bullies and getting beat up. Thrown into trashcans.
Smoking weed, and drinking anything that can get me drunk.
Just to ESCAPE it.
And I finally found it.
Parkour.
With all my experiences.
I would rather educate people. Instead of arguing about this and that.
However.
Thank you for this interesting conversation.
It has been few and far between when I have had an intellectual conversation.
Albeit an argument, intellectual nonetheless.

I have touched the tip of the iceberg here just so you can maybe get a glimpse of what I've been put through.

Muhammad You continue to be one of my main influences on this forum.
As well as Muse, Steve Low, Demon, and Skipper.
These are just a few of them.
And I believe it is time to post in the snaps Jar.... lol

I will not continue this argument.
Furthermore I apologize that you felt inclined to post the words you did.
Sometimes I post before thinking.
lol.
Something else I am working on.

-Matt

[Muhammad]

Who would have ever thought such a boring topic would bring out so much discussion. LOL.

[RunCincy]

I haven't read through all of this thread because it's probably all the same shit thats been said before..

MY OPINION

Smoking is bad for you, Thats obvious. Drinking is bad for you, Thats obvious.

It's all about living and experiencing life the way you want too, The problem isn't so much "omgzz smoking/drinking drugs is going to make you stupid and die!!!11" but the fact that we live in a country that over consumes.

Moderation is key, If it be smoking some pot, Having some drinks or even conditioning and training.

---

Your a sophomore, Your going to be exposed to all kinds of things in the upcoming years. It's up to you to make the right decisions for YOURSELF. If a girl you have a crush on is smoking pot, Too bad. Its her decision and if shes smart like you say, She'll know where to stop.

I'm for legalization of the silly grass. I love pot, It used to be my crutch infact. That was stupid and I know that, I still smoke occasionally and you'd be surprised how many top level guys toke occasionally aswell.

We have silly laws and I'm sure they'll be much different in 20 years.

I just don't understand how you don't mind this girl drinking (shes underage) but have a problem with her getting high. I'll tell you from experience, Over drinking is always going to be more trouble than getting SUPER stoned.

Smoking weed isn't the only way people use the drug anyways. It can be used for cooking, It can be vaporised and If its not already out there, it will be soon. THC pills.

Theres a lot of really destructive drugs and habits out there, You have to be responsible for yourself!

[Muhammad]

There is a fairly balanced and moderate post from RunCincy. What he is saying is pretty well true. Marijuana is not a terribly dangerous or harmful drug, but it is illegal, and that is where most of the risk and harm comes into play when dealing with it. In Canada, it is basically legal, so the incidence of weed-related crime is much lower than here in the States, and the harm is reduced, but we don't live in Canada. Even though weed is not terribly harmful, consider the fact that tangling with the law in this country can get you into a lot or trouble, or in extreme cases, can get you dead.

[RunCincy]

-OFFTOPIC TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION-

There are only a few ways you can be arrested relating to weed.

Your smoking out in a high traffic public place, Being stupid.
Your driving around smoking and get distracted and violate road laws, Being stupid.
Your trying to sell weed, Being stupid.
Your growing copious amounts of weed, Being stupid.

I have a completely clean record, I've never been arrested, Never caused an accident or even gotten a speeding ticket. (but in all fairness I've only been driving for 5 years)

But guess what? I have been caught smoking (being stupid) on the street and while driving, actually 3 times.

I was lucky, because each time I encountered educated officers. Twice they took my bud and laughed at me for being stupid. The 3rd time, He didn't even bother taking my stash, He told me he had smoked when he was younger and still had many friends that still did. He felt the weed laws were crazy and a waste of the publics money and time. Right on!


Jaywalking is illegal here, A lot of people do it and you can end up dead!

[Zuxzux]

-OFFTOPIC TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION-
But guess what? I have been caught smoking (being stupid) on the street and while driving, actually 3 times.

I was lucky, because each time I encountered educated officers. Twice they took my bud and laughed at me for being stupid. The 3rd time, He didn't even bother taking my stash, He told me he had smoked when he was younger and still had many friends that still did. He felt the weed laws were crazy and a waste of the publics money and time. Right on!


Jaywalking is illegal here, A lot of people do it and you can end up dead!

^^^ LOL!