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Re: Tribe
« Reply #140 on: January 25, 2006, 01:37:50 PM »
Thanks for your sincere words Mark.

Yes Mark you're pointing out the harsh tangible reality of this world, at least the modern and urban world as it is currently built and organized. It is tough indeed.
This is why I said "this is how I would do". When I'll be in a position close to yours with similar issues and problems, we'll see how I cope with it, and if I can apply my resolutions and principles without compromising. Hopefully I can :-).
It is hard to tell what is right and what is wrong, and to be sure to be right always.
There are things I cannot agree with, but this is from my own standpoint and with my own outlook.
I must share and express my views though.
Whatever you do, you're not killing people. You cannot be a wise or a saint, and same here.
I might not like what people do, but it doesn't mean I don't like these people.
From my standpoint, I'm right. But I'm just a human being, I make mistakes. You make mistakes.They do. We all do. At least we try to do something, and we use that wonderful opportunity to experience something instead of nothingness : to be or not to be. Life.

So in fact, eventually, nothing matters, and eveything is fine.





Even though you're WRONG.  ;D ;D ;D.

Or maybe I am ?

This world is so faulty.

Everything is perfect in this world.

This is why I told you twice : good luck ;-)






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Re: Tribe
« Reply #141 on: January 25, 2006, 01:50:21 PM »
I think your right Erwan but again it doesn't even matter anyways. After all at least most of us got a tad wiser from this whole thing. You should be a poet, you tell it like it is but you express yourself as you do it with words of wisdom I applaud you and give you my honesty in saying I truly beleave this of you. (really)

As for you ERI104,
OMG this thing has gained 6 pages worth of shit since i've last checked this....
I agree untill this very point. ;)

Edit by Akh - Just letting you know I deleted ERI's post cause it certainly didn't help :p
« Last Edit: January 25, 2006, 01:55:46 PM by akh horus »
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« Reply #142 on: January 25, 2006, 01:53:28 PM »
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oh and mark.. you underestimate the amount of americans that disagree with your actions.


Just curious - where did you get this information from, could you please share it with us? or perhaps let these people speak for themselves?
I have yet to find(meet in person) a U.S. Traceur that is dissatisfied with M2's attempt to promote Parkour through APK.

Also, the community would benefit greatly if you would put a little more time into your posts to insure that they are not completely based on your emotions. A well thought out, logical argument, with factual support helps people understand your views much better than heated insults.

Back to the original purpose of this topic:
Personally, I had a feeling APK was building up to something like this and I am very pleased with its execution so far. I know a few members of the tribe - and can't think any of more knowledgeable, outgoing, and skilled traceurs I'd rather have represent PK/APK.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2006, 02:03:07 PM by Kipup »

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Re: Tribe
« Reply #143 on: January 25, 2006, 01:54:25 PM »
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So in fact, eventually, nothing matters, and eveything is fine.





Even though you're WRONG.    ;D ;D .



I got such a good laugh form this :)

Yes,you and I will live and make our mistakes and be happy that we acted strongly enough to be wrong or right, but be something!



It is funny, on this subject, and I feel I may even be able to write your answer, but I'd like to ask you anyway :) ...

I got this email about 5 minutes ago, funny timing ...

"In the near future are there going to be APK stickers?  I just got a new car and it need to be cristened.  Let me know"

So to me, it seems as though somebody would like this thing, it is a sticker, but it makes them feel more that they belong to a community of people with similar interests.

I would think you would say
"but I don't want these kind of people who only show off" ...

But, I'd like to hear whether you think now if I do make stickers for the website, and sell them at a profit of maybe $2 each after cost, shipping, putting in envelope, bringing to post office, etc. Is this good or bad? Or both?

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Re: Tribe
« Reply #144 on: January 25, 2006, 02:33:09 PM »
I forgot to put this in that PM so I think $2 is a good price for a decal! I would put them on things if I felt like buying one lol. OFF TOPIC I KNOW. DONE, BACK TO TOPIC NOW. Well in a way it is on topic but I may just be mixed up because I was reading two things at once sorta (you know) tell me if I'm wrong because I have no problem being wrong unlike Erwan lol.
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Re: Tribe
« Reply #145 on: January 25, 2006, 02:53:41 PM »
I would not make these stickers if it was just a name and logo. If there was a useful motto on it, a short message that deserves to be spread because it makes some people (that would read) it ponder, think, maybe remember it, react in a positive manner, something that could make a difference, bring a little bit, a little piece, a little moment of awareness to this world, then I would.
So only to please some members of the community I have created, no, I wouldn't have them made if it's only a tag, a label that shows some connection with something most of people are not aware of. But a sitcker is plastic. And I'm fed up with things that are produced for no meaningful reason, I mean no really useful purpose. After all, it is very easy to find a reason for everything we buy and consume to be manufactured. But all these disposable things, no thanks.
I'm running a business myself, a small one, and I tried to make a difference with my products by having them bring "good vibes" to people. The motto of my compnay being "get in touch with your inner child". Cute huh ? Yes, but are these products really useful ? They're bought mainly as gifts, so I can imagine it is useful because it is going to make some people happy for a while. But aren't they a little part of this wordlwide pollution ? Yes, more or less, yes. So I've decided to shut down that activity and switch business, just like you.
Because I don't want to sell products anymore, I mean items. And I don't want to support the continuation of such businesses that produce pollutions, endangering people's healths and all forms of lif on this planet, while exploiting people in a different corner of the world and maintaining them in misery so we can continue to waste selfishly all ressources of this planet. This is no "hippy" talks, this is real now. All these problems are here now already, and it takes someone really purposedly blind to deny this world is already facing huge environmental issues. I want to help people to understand it is time to make a difference and start to think and move on and change. When they do parkour, there's more chances for them to fully rediscover the importance of natural movement. Of naturality. Of NATURE and its spirituality.
So I wouldn't use Parkour image to support such sales, no way. Sales means production, production means 90% of the time pollution and exploitation somewhere else.
I would care. Much.
This is why I say again that if I was to use my image, or the image of the discipline I practice, or my skill and knowledge or connections to help sales, it would be compulsorily for that 10% companies (10% ? Probably much less) that manufactures products that don't harm the planet, its ressources, and its inhabitants, whether they are humans or not. If I can't find such "customers", if only the "bad" ones come to me, I would decline their offers. Period.
I wouldn't be a mercenary of this commercial world, justifying that I'm not responsible for it to be like that and that I cannot change anything.
As long as people state they're not responsible, they have no power indeed to change things.

I am responsible for all the terrible things that are now happening in this world. We all are.
One may be enough tired, sleepy, distracted or distraught, that one pretends to not see anything.
Is it another day in Paradise, really ?

I would reply to that person, maybe not personaly, but using my website, explaining why I won't make those stickers. This is educating people. People are looking badly for MEANING. No we're not selfish people with no heart and lazy. We just lack of information, the true one, we're lacking of great inspiration. And the top leaders of this world and the entire marketing and banking organisation is lying to us all in order to maintain us in ignorance, weak and servile, and having us believe we're free when we're not. This world is constantly "educating" us the wrong way. When you go out to do parkour, suddenly it's like you're discovering the wolrd a second time, finding yourself in a real situation, not virtual, not cyberworld, not video game, not TV or computer. It is REAL. It makes you AWARE. From this standpoint, you realize how this world goes wrong and how beautiful this Universe is. It is time not only to love one another, but also to educate one another. It is slow, it is tough, it is often ungrateful. But it is secretly rewarding. It is noble. It is true.

BTW what is a sticker ?

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Re: Tribe
« Reply #146 on: January 25, 2006, 03:12:10 PM »


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Re: Tribe
« Reply #147 on: January 25, 2006, 03:47:57 PM »
I have state my admiration for you ethics and philsophy Erwan its exactly what I would like to see echoed in the parkour community in genereal I have allways hoped that they postive philosophy behind parkour its history the way it changes how you look at the world will transfer to all other aspects of our lives as traceurs. I hope that our rediscovery of the enviorment around us will inspire us to care for it, not just on superficial level(making sure not to break stuff) but on global level. To care for the ecology of our planet and the quality of our cities and towns.

Like you I find the continous trend towards more consumption simple disturbing from ecological standpoint it is not sustainable. I have never understood peoples need to have parkour t-shirts, stickers, knick knacks etc. If I am looking for gear to wear during parkour I only want two things function and ethics, I buy from companies that use organic cotton and recycled poleyster that design clothes with features that function for my actual life, I don't understand the desire to were a label.

I hope to see our devotion to overcoming obastcles in our practice transfer over to the rest of life to getting rid of the apathy or my generation about the world, to say we can overcome the obastcles of pollution, overpopulation, war, famine and disease just as we overcome the physical obastcles in our path.  I hope to see the ideas of efficiency in movement echoed in life too in the choices we make about the clothes wear, the vehicles we drive, the products we use.  I want to see the hebertist ethic of etre fort pour etre utile taken up through out the parkour community.

I know you didn't ask me the question M2 but I would say no don't make stickers. As traceurs I hope we one day will be recognized for the way we act and move, for being respectfull, caring and gracefull not for the t-shirts we wear and the stickers on our cars.
I shall not fear, fear is the mind killer the little death that precedes total obliteration

I will face my fear, I will let it pass over and through me and were it is gone, I will turn the inner eye and see its path, and only I will remain.

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« Reply #148 on: January 25, 2006, 03:48:40 PM »
Why Faelcind post just disappeared ?

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« Reply #149 on: January 25, 2006, 03:51:56 PM »
My i-Mac or connection must be fooling me  ::).
Well I don't know if we're on topic or not anymore.
And thanks Asa, that was a joke ;-)

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« Reply #150 on: January 25, 2006, 04:05:32 PM »
Sorry for not picking up on that. Now that I look back, I see that, but I was just trying to help. :)

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« Reply #151 on: January 25, 2006, 04:59:52 PM »
Wow Erwan, Quite a group of posts...I doubt I can continue the discussion without getting deeply into the nature of economics and modern society and the interdependence of certain capitalist values and overall personal freedom. All I can say is that I respect you deeply for both your opinions and your willingness to stand by them in both thought AND action. I also appreciate your ability to communicate both your opinions and your actions in an intelligent and respectful manner.

If you ever find yourself in the Eastern US, please don't hesitate to shoot me a line so we may perhaps discuss both movement and mindset further. :D

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Re: Tribe
« Reply #152 on: January 25, 2006, 05:35:21 PM »
LOL @ People who make assumptions.

(Don't try to assume what i mean by this ;) )

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Re: Tribe
« Reply #153 on: January 25, 2006, 06:38:09 PM »
Oh cool! A new team for the US!

I wish you all the best, and because you have only been around for a few days and havent released any information other than you are a parkour team, then i will only pray that your actions in the future will be in everyones best interest! and thats about all that can be said for the Tribe!

Good luck! :)

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« Reply #154 on: January 25, 2006, 06:39:51 PM »
Oh why thank you Not skipper!

How open minded of you to give us a chace until we actually, physically do something and release it to the world!  :) ;)

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« Reply #155 on: January 25, 2006, 07:10:11 PM »
Dude, that Not Skipper guy rocks, I'm totally hooking up his karma! :D

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« Reply #156 on: January 25, 2006, 07:13:09 PM »
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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« Reply #157 on: January 25, 2006, 08:17:10 PM »
Freakin' awesome! =D

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Re: Tribe
« Reply #158 on: January 25, 2006, 08:50:37 PM »
Erwan, I mostly agree with your ideals, however I don't put too many of them to practice. while I recognize this may sound hypocritical, I think of it as "choosing my battles".

for example with a sticker, I feel if one person sees a sticker, finds parkour, and it opens their eyes and changes their life, then it is worth
1) the cost of the sticker to both me and whoever gets it (at UF I think I gave away many more than I sold)
2) the cost to the environment, as one person thinking more conscientiously for years to come will probably outweigh the toxins from the plastic created to make the sticker
3) whatever effort it took me to design, get printed, and distribute the sticker

Really, the larger example here is that I truly feel with all my heart that Parkour is good for people.

It is better than playing video games, it is better than doing drugs, it is better than hanging out, it is better than fighting, it is better than vandalism, it is better than so many things that a bored teenager could (and usually would) choose to do.

Instead, it makes people want to be healthier, more conscious of themselves, which I believe in turn helps the world to be a better place. People who are conscious of themselves and have a good self image are likely to help others and be generally kind people.
This is why I want to spread Parkour.
It is not so much different to me than choosing to spread some martial arts which I think have many of the same characteristics, except that I think that Parkour is more appealing, it is relatively easy to start, nothing special needed, no special place or time, Parkour is everywhere and anywhere. The fitness that Parkour builds is transferable to almost any other activity, because it is a very general and total fitness.

So, to me, if doing a media thing, even if it is only 90% the correct message, but gets people to the right place to find the right info ( I know Matthew Blackwell is out there somewhere waiting to quote me on this) then I think it's worth it.
If people want to wear T-shirts that say parkour, and 5 people ask them what it is and one person changes their life because of it, then it is worth it.

I've had many emails from people who weren't fit, or were just plain overweight who I helped to sort of "coach" into trying some basic activity which lead to good enough fitness to really start exercising, and that is a feeling I can't describe, knowing that you helped someone become a happier healthier person. I won't go into religious beliefs here, as it is my own rule, but I believe the BEST thing we can do is help other people, I believe that whether we have some other purpose or not, whether there is something after this or not, I know I can have an effect on real people, today, now.

Nothing ever gets done in the future, things get done now, at this instant, at whatever time someone decides that now is the time to act, to help, to do something good, worthwhile, beneficial. This is how I want to be.

So, I realize that not all my actions will be approved by everyone, and really, I don't mind, because I know what I'm doing, I know that I've helped people, and I know that I will continue to try to help people. I think Parkour is a perfect vehicle for that, it's fun, challenging, engages the body and the mind, and as I said, I feel it creates better people who are more likely to be helpful and useful in society.

I don't care what someone's job is, what their financial situation is, what color or religion or sex or whatever, we all have the CHOICE to be good human beings and to help each other out. 
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Re: Tribe
« Reply #159 on: January 25, 2006, 09:22:46 PM »
Erwan my post dissapeared cause I decided I wasn't satisfied with it and wanted to rewrite it. I think this thread has been off topic enough to justify a dip into philosophy.
I shall not fear, fear is the mind killer the little death that precedes total obliteration

I will face my fear, I will let it pass over and through me and were it is gone, I will turn the inner eye and see its path, and only I will remain.