Topic: Tribe

[Brian Belida]

What aren't we straight on?
If you ask specific questions we can give you specific answers.

I just want to know why the people who constantly tell me what is not parkour are doing what they say is not parkour.

If that's what you want a straight answer on, here it is. You weren't straight on what parkour was, so we told you. Just because I tell you what parkour is and isn't, doesn't mean I'm not going to a gym session on Saturday with Skipper and Leon so we can have fun and do double legs, triple gainer's, and dolphin-dives. And have we called that parkour? Has gear called bike-building parkour?

EDIT : Yeah, what gear said.

[M2.]

Ugh!!!

Deft, That was an answer.

What you seem to be failing to see, after WAY too many people have spent WAYY too much time trying to explain to someone wh0o seems blind and deaf to reason and answers is that you are asking a "setup" question.

Do you walk to school or carry your lunch, give me a straight answer.

Do you really enjoy wearing your mom's shoes? Give me a straight answer.


"Some of those skills are defiantly part of freestyle pk" - Quote from Deft.

What this shows is you still don't get it, you are so hung up on the idea of "Freestyle Parkour" that you can't see your own hand in front of your face.
If someone from VA-Parkour does a flip it WILL NEVER BE FREESTYLE PARKOUR to anyone other than you and MLW, the last two people in the universe to be stuck on that term.

So, you are welcome to see it that way , to call it whatever you want, to dance around in your sister's underwear and call it Freestyle parkour, but it still won't get an answer to your question!!!!


The answer to your question is this: Not a valid question.


What you are trying to ask is "How can someone tell the difference between when you're doing Parkour in a video and when you're doing other movements.

The answer is this: In order to tell the difference, they have to know what Parkour is.


If a baseball player in the middle of a game started kicking a soccer ball around, you would know that the baseball player was no longer playing baseball, they were now playing soccer, this is because you understand the difference between baseball and soccer.

Therefore, until you understand the difference between Parkour and other things (anyhting NOT parkour) then you will not know when someone is doing something "not parkour" in a video.

However, if you look at the many readily available definitions of Parkour, for example the FIRST thing on the APK homepage, or the one form PAWA, or the one from Parkour.net, then you will know what Parkour is, and you will be able to recognize when somehting is not parkour. It's really not very hard, but you seem to be persistent.

I really don't expect this to clear it up for you, as this is just one of many hours spent for your benefit trying to educate you, but alas I remain hopeful and trying to be helpful!
 

[Parkourdan]

You guys are all dumb. Just stfu and do it or stfu and dont.

All these analogies .. all this nonsense.

This is the epidemy and a great example of what a parkour site should NOT be. I have been coming on here less and less because I get my fill of marketed nonsense .. lies .. egos .. and people who have no idea about anything they speak of on Urbanfreeflow. This site has sadly become the same. I dont just say this because of the Tribe because I could care less about the Tribe since media happens one way or another. I say this because this is horrilble and you all should know so much better and the way this is all being done and handled is BAD.

Uf/Americanparkour/Worldwide Jam ... leading the way in complete over the top lies and nonsense and using a community for your greater good and intentions.

Cheers all. Have fun with your ventures. Ill tell you first hand its fun.
But leave the kids out of it. Dont use them. Its sad.

[Flippusmn]

Nice conclusion M2 and PKDan but you didn't have to be that harsh if you ask me. I hope he gets it now because this thread is starting to get tiring to read.  One of our duties on APK is to help others so good ob guys if this don't help now I don't think anything will.

[Gearsighted]

Dan, with accusations such as that, it would seem you'd need some clarification of points to make it valid, or else you're just talking shit.

[Deft]

Gear- if David B. wiped his ass (in a efficient manner hehe) while running and called it parkour-IT WOULD BE. he named it and he can call it what he wants.  

I understand you like biking, climbing, and running. I also noticed that I haven't seen any biking in your PARKOUR videos. I am just sticking to the matters at hand from what I have been given. I am not throwing out hypotheticals. I am giving pure examples and not just fishing in the air.

Bottom line is why are you guys posting freestyle in a PARKOUR video but yet you all seem so eager to tear me a new one when I post my freestyle? You keep thinking that I don't know the difference between TRPK and FRPK. That is not the issue. The issue is that you all are posting Freestyle (in professional vids. that the world will see. Especially ppl who don't know about pk will see it)

I understand that ALL of us on the boards have several interests. Of course none of us will mix parkour with origami. PPEOPLE ARE MIXING PARKOUR WIHT FREESTYLE. PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST FREESTYLE ARE DOING FREESTYLE.

MAYBE BY POSTING LOTS OF CAPOTIOL PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND MY POINT.

[Brian Belida]

We don't care if you post a video in which you do freestyle parkour, just don't call it parkour. You're missing our point.
There is no "TRPK" [true parkour?] It's just parkour. Noone calls me "True Brian Belida."

[Gearsighted]

I do

[Flippusmn]

Sorry but this should be done, it's been off topic for like 24 hours. This has now become a topic of a topic that has already existed around 100 times (those DIFFERENCES).


P.S. If you ask me this has now become nonsense and it doesn't really matter what you call it, it is all a way to flow even if it's pure, freestyle, or tricking.

BTW: you spelled capital wrong and maybe I did too, I'll check. lol

Nope

[Deft]

We don't care if you post a video in which you do freestyle parkour, just don't call it parkour.

I CARE if you do freestyle parkour (freerunning or whatever) but you ONLY call it parkour of HIDE in the grey area and give analogies about biking and baseball or you assume that people will magically know what is and what is not parkour- when experienced traceurs debate over this on a regular basis.

[M2.]

Gee Danno that was useful.

So glad you decided to stop by and help and clear it all up "for the kids".

[M2.]

you assume that people will magically know what is and what is not parkour

As I suspected, HOURS of people trying to help you, and you throw it back, undigested. I'm done.

[button]

Deft, you are a very funny person. Here is a simple answer for you, this is how you can do something which you know isn't parkour:

You accept it isn't part of parkour, and then you do it.

The people who say something isn't parkour aren't hypocrites, they're simply not doing parkour when they do those movements.

The parkour (utiliarian & efficient) way of moving is not THE way of moving, there are other ways of moving too. Just because you parkour doesn't mean you ca't do other things too, there's no law against having other interests aside from parkour.

Is it really very scary for you that you may be unique, that you may be individual, and what you do may not fit under a blanket definition? 

[Frosti]

What we're doing here is coming out straightforward and saying what we are going to do, something that some groups have been known for not doing. We're not here to change parkour or make it our own, the US previously lacked any kind of structure now there is some. We want to put parkour out there as it should be so we are not ever goign to do something that's not parkour and call it parkour, that's our charter, if we're out there doing somethign and we do a flip then it's a flip and still not parkour, the same way David Belle goes out for commercials and media and will do a flip but you believe him when he says it's not parkour, he's just doing it not perfomring some sacrilege.

Dan, seriously, you're a really great guy, so why are you being such an ass about this? We have set down before everyone how we are goign to operate just so we can avoid this kind of shit, we can't help if peopel ask questions, all we can do is try to answer them. You call us liars because we use metaphors and analogies? How can you be so upset over us trying to clarify something, if someone doens't understand somethign you try to help them understand in a different way that's not lying, that's logic. Right now you seem to be overlooking, in fact all you seem to be focusing on is how bad everybody is, but i don't understand why. Dan don't talk about ego when all you're doing is putting other people down, what happened to "zero intimidation and we are always ready to help you out." like it says on PKTO? I have complete respect for you because i have seen first hand what you are capable of organizing and i only question why you feel the need to put yourself above us? Why are we all so dumb, what would you have us do, rather than insults what do you suggest, that's what we're trying to do here, you know positive responses.

[Erwan]

[Deft]

Quote Frosti-"You call us liars because we use metaphors and analogies?"
When did I call anyone a liar? I just wanted a answer and I felt I was getting a run-a-round.

quote Frosti-"How can you be so upset"
 what have I done out of line. I have not called names. I did not use the angry smily-->

It appears that we train and play the same way and do all that fun stuff in a similar manner but yet most people don't embrace all that. I take all that training seriously (traditional and freestyle.) I embrace both and I feel people who do both should embrace it too.

I want this to be over and I am sure everyone else does so I am walking away from this thread with the hopes that it will turn back onto the topic of Tribe and what they got going on. Here this fire is dying so let no one rekindle the flames.

Frosti- I appreciate you  using a positive approach even whn calling me an ass (If there was a function for it, I would give you a half applaud and a half smite)
and my name is not Dan.

[Gearsighted]

Deft he was talking to both yourself and ParkourDAN who also posted in this thread....

[twitchkidd]

Deft, enough is enough. The Tribe is going to be a positive force in the fight against evil, and might get some good vids out, too.

[Gearsighted]

"...Taken from the Latin words annuo (to nod, approve) and cœpto (to begin, undertake), it literally means someone or something "has approved our beginnings".

[Asa]

And of course the text beneath: New Order of the Ages.