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Re: Tribe
« Reply #120 on: January 25, 2006, 08:46:38 AM »
Andi, for a guy who asks so much "Please answer my questions" you sure talk about a lot of other things.

You can't tell me I underestimate that (people in US who disagree), because I have never given an estimate!! I am sure there are a lot of people who disagree with me, do you think this is a surprise to me? I do not do what I do to be agreed with.


As for your post to MLW, can you please tell me why there is a quote form EZ in there? I don't see any relation to this conversation, to me, or to what was said. I'd be interested to hear what one has to do with the other.

As for you knowing me long enough to talk like that, you don't, I don't have respect for you or your opinion. I don't consider you my friend, I consider you someone to turn your back on someone you were once friends with, and someone who did nothing to you to deserve the way you treat them, so don't act as if you're "close" enough to me, you're not.

Now, back to my two previous questions for you: (don't avoid them anymore, I want YOUR answers, now, not from someone else, from your words)

1. How is a sport made of competitive obstacle coursing different from a Parkour competition?

2. If Parkour was created by Raymond Belle to be better at war, how is that inherently (meaning "by it's nature") not competitive?

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Re: Tribe
« Reply #121 on: January 25, 2006, 09:10:57 AM »
Andi, you were signed on for at least 10 minutes after my SECOND time asking you these questions.

I know you have read this thread, do I have to think that you will not answer, or that you do not have an answer?



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Re: Tribe
« Reply #122 on: January 25, 2006, 09:50:37 AM »
i just have one thing that i would like to point out to the people who fear that APK is going to become some commercialised thing to make money. M2 could have easily ridden the UF train and got paid. but he decided to break off. i think that if he had the same intentions as UF, he wouldn't have stayed. this is purely speculation, but it seemed sort of important i guess. i don't know, i am really tired right now. sorry if this didn't make sense.
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Re: Tribe
« Reply #123 on: January 25, 2006, 10:01:50 AM »
actually mark right now is the first time i read your post.   you 'KNOW' nothing, you assume. hahah.  i was seriously laughing about that though, coz i was doing photoshop work for something ill release this night and you own the arrogance to really think that your site is so important just coz its in my internetexplorer in keenly reading it. hahaha.

i will not answer your questions for one reason:  PAWA has already made an official statement regarding this topic.  and we are not here to serve each persons private wishes and re-answer stuff we already answered. if people like you try to steal our time by re-asking the same questions 10 times a day, we're not going to help. we are here to help the real traceurs, not the shirt and dvd sellers.

as for being close to you - HELL not. im ashamed that i considered you a friend once, and im happy that ive seen your true nature before you could use me like you use(+d) others.

why theres an ez quote in there ? coz you are setting up americas seidojin, and also other of your behaviour has turned very EZ-ish recently.

we all (well the ppl here that love ur ass more than they love their own since you do much more for parkour than david belle) know that you are sooner or later going to hurt parkour,  thats already proven by you wanting to be a LEADER  but not agreeing with david belle about parkour  ( flips, competition, .. )

but its not on me to change that.. parkour is gonna be f#cked up sooner or later, so if it shall be f#cked up in the usa by you, then fine, so be it. the ppl who dont look through your game dont deserve it better anyways.

good luck , and i hope you sell many items.

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Re: Tribe
« Reply #124 on: January 25, 2006, 10:09:32 AM »
 I answered your question, but you refuse to answer mine, calling me "Any Person" ... if so many people will read my words, then you have a chance to educsate many, and you flatly deny this.

I did not ask for PAWA's answer, I ASKED FOR YOURS. Don't hide behind "someone already answered" ... I'm asking for YOUR answer, me asking you, not 10 people a day, 1 person asking one person.


I will go to PAWA's website, Oh, wait, it's down ... OK, tell me where to find these answers.


As for me disagreeing with David, I have said that Flips are not Parkour, I don't know why this simple sentence seems to cause you so much trouble?
As for asking the question about competition, it SEEMS contradictory to me, so I ask a question so I can learn. I guess I'll have to ask someone who actually has an answer.

Anyway, the next time your browser accidentally reads all the posts around mine and answers ones except mine, maybe you'll answer these new questions?


Also, I would like it if we could agree to keep personal differences (you don't like me, I don't like you, that's fine) out of this, as it really doesn't do any good for these forums. Us callling each other names doesn't help anything or anyone's understanding of anything, except that we're both capable of being angry and childish.

Same two questions:
1. How is a sport made of competitive obstacle coursing different from a Parkour competition?

2. If Parkour was created by Raymond Belle to be better at war, how is that inherently (meaning "by it's nature") not competitive?




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Re: Tribe
« Reply #125 on: January 25, 2006, 10:17:51 AM »
mark, its so childish of you to act as if you didnt fully understand what i meant with the browser being open, but its funny and jost proving me that you are what i blame you of.

anyways, no its not contradictory. in the war, there was nobody saying start now, end now, no judge saying good or bad, etc.. no competition.   but you are starting your word games again.  ofcourse you can make anything sound liek a competition.  if you write on a forum, and dont finish your post, you lost. ooh, competition. 

mark, now im the one to say im not gonna enter your childish arguments, cause whenever the facts dont help you anymore you start those word games.  you can do that to the kids that love you, but not to any intelligent person.

pawas website is down ? www.parkour.net ..  oh wait.. you didnt know that this was a pawa project either ? ooh how little informed you are for a 'leader'  - oh you DID know ? oh so you were just pretending for the sake of argueing.. oh how childish..   ;)



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Re: Tribe
« Reply #126 on: January 25, 2006, 10:19:26 AM »
I have edited my previous post after your post, please re-read.

(edit: spell checked)
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Re: Tribe
« Reply #127 on: January 25, 2006, 10:38:19 AM »
I disagree with what you say about competition, a fight in the street is a competition, but there is no timer, no rounds, no judge. This is not me "sticking to a definition" ... it is talking about real life situations.

I feel that people are competitive in MANY ways, and that it is practically inevitable and part of our nature.

Now, in relating that to Parkour, I feel that the description of Raymond Belle and his friends in Viet Nam were in the ultimate competition, one for life, you have to be better than the other guy, and I do feel that this is a part of Parkour as David has defined it and said it originated.

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this, I am not using any words or language or definitions here.

MY other question still stands, what is the difference between an obstacle course competition and what a Parkour competition would be?

To me and my understanding, going through an obstacle course and trying to do it faster (than your own previous record, or faster than someone else) would very much embody "to escape or reach as if in an emergency situation".

Again, I really don't feel I'm "using" words or definitions here, other than to convey my understanding.


If these answers are on Parkour.net, please point them out to me, I do not know the whole site and everything that is written there.


I have many times on APK pointed to Parkour.net as a good site for information and correct information on Parkour, so don't play games about that either.
 
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Re: Tribe
« Reply #128 on: January 25, 2006, 10:48:00 AM »
Andi, FYI, Parkour.net seems to be down, I get this error twice now

:This page cannot be displayed due to an internal error.

If you are the administrator of this site, please visit the Xoops Troubleshooting Page for assistance.

Error [Xoops]: Unable to connect to database in file class/database/databasefactory.php line 34:
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« Reply #129 on: January 25, 2006, 10:50:50 AM »
I would just like to say that I know about the Tribe site you let me on.. and I know a lot about the Tribe from Tribe members and EX Tribe members... and this site .. and the American scene ... It offends me a bit that you did attack me like you said you would in the email and should know better that Im not a 15 year old kid here to just cause trouble. You guys used to attack me on UF as well the same way after I posted "lies"/"bullshit" back then too but both you and Ez have appologized since then.. since my lies had more truths in them then the attacks that came back. Little to nothing of what I said were assumptions, Ive never once done that, why start now! Common guys. What would I even gain from lying?? Theres seriously no point.

There are people angry who feel all these emotions but will not speak up and dont know what to do... If you dont feel these are truths maybe there is another underlying issue then that is there.... Why I find this my duty to speak up for americans who feel used and have been lied to and disrespected... I only have 1 real answer.

What you guys do ultimately effects what I do as well here in Canada as well. Almost moreso then what I do in Canada. Its a sad but truthful fact that most of America lately is rubing off on us... This is a global statement and has nothing to do with Parkour.... and I must watch the US scene because if it explodes it will dictate if/how things change in Canada.

Please be aware that Im merely looking out for the wellbeing of NorthAmerica as a whole because we are all equal when it comes to what we love.
I want(wanted/stillwant) to see very good things out of this site, I think you people who are mad at me, and who think I am bashing the Tribe and media should go read over my post again because I'm not. Read my post again good guys. I cant spend the time answering alot of questions since most are not merited.

All I care about are the average Joes that just come on here, come on pkto, come whereever to have FUN. Essentially thats all we do as leaders... is help them to have that fun. And as much as you guys can hate me... we are all in this together... So you can disown another part of NorthAmerica.... Or you can realize what Im saying is not as bad as it seems...

I was hoping after everything was all setup here and stuff started getting more settled in we would eventually setup some sort of NorthAmerican alliance making sure we were all on the same track behind the scenes.... but I guess thats not possible. Well will see.

The good part of this whole thing is there is still a lot of room for improvement and what I say could be totally meaningless in 6 months! Lets hope thats the case and if it is .. then great things are in store for the American scene.

Again.. take it for whatever its worth. The ball is in your hand as Ive done what I had to unfortunetly do. I will stop posting on your site for a while until things have cooled down. And again, Im genuinely sorry, but I hate to see America split up and people on different wavelengths.

Leon I will take the time to answer your email now since it was nice of you to send one and I know its genuine.

Oh and.
On a side note I did not ask Andi to come here and post. :(
Erwan also came on his own.

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« Reply #130 on: January 25, 2006, 11:00:56 AM »
Danno, I will reread your post then answer. PLease don't "go away for a while" as I really feel this is very unsettled, you have cone her eiwht accusations, and you're right, I didn't read your second post, or at least not without beign so angry that I probably didn't see the words.

And yes, attack you I did, oyu came here and called me a liar, any friend surely would have sent an email.

As for the Americans you speak of, there are 3 ex-members of the Tribe. One was a emmebr for about a day, it just didn't work out. The other two didn't have theopportunity to meet everyone else or take part in any actual Tribe things.

One of them has said thjat "I didn't deliver on my promise" however 12 others agree that I never promised anythting, and I haven't done anyhting different than what I said. When I asked that person, he didn't answer. This is not somehting I can possibly fix if someone wants to say
"You didn't do what you promised" ... but then when I ask "What did I promise and what didn't I do" they won't answer.

I don't see a way I can possibly satisfy that person.

I also do'nt see why you're the self-appointed poskesperson for these people? They're both very vocal and opinionated people who have every right to come here and state their own opinions.


As for this"should know better that Im not a 15 year old kid here to just cause trouble" this is exactly how your first post is acting, not talking to me who you know, but posting on my forum that I am a liar!!! Can you say there is a difference or what you did deserves better treatment?

However, I will read your second post (your first was very clear) and make comments back.



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« Reply #131 on: January 25, 2006, 11:10:16 AM »
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what is the difference between an obstacle course competition and what a Parkour competition would be?

because of the 'why' you do it.  you dont do it for your own,  you do it to win above someone else.  you dont want to be the most efficient for yourself,  but you want to be faster than someone else. 

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On a side note I did not ask Andi to come here and post.
erm.. m2,  you asked me to come here


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« Reply #132 on: January 25, 2006, 11:18:43 AM »
Mark, all this is understood. Raising a family. You have a good situation currently though. Switching to another business which in this case will be parkour, will obviously mean that the monetary issue becomes prioritary. You are not a dreamer. Obviously you're building something, as high as your ambition for your own life is (only you know) and regarding the financial aspect, obviously it is not selling garments that will be profitable. It will be much different things and much more profitable ones than that if the whole project pays as you plan it will. You are a banker, it is impossible that you don't plan things, that you don't have a serious businessplan in mind. It is not just a bet or just a try. So it is not possible that money is not your prioritary goal, maybe not at the moment, but as soon as you will have switched businesses indeed. AGAIN, I don't mean that it is an exclusive parameter, and that you don't have a sincere vow to help people, but I say that profit is or soon will compulsorily become a prioritary one, as soon as you intend to make it a leaving that will allow you to raise a family. In this case, finding the right balance between your own ethics, parkour values on the one hand, and commercial pressure on the other hand will be a very tough thing. I don't know how you will handle these things, not on a financial level, but on an ethical one. I can only hope it's not going to be a constant marketing invasion, selling and promoting things we don't care of and have no use of, or promoting companies that sell products that harm people's health, minds, or the planet itself. Things that could allow elitism and competiton to destroy the essence of parkour and help perpetuate the commercial and hierarchial world we're living in. So like I said before, I only can say good luck with it.

If I was to make a living of parkour, I would teach parkour to people or companies, individual coaching or in a special center maybe, people would pay for a subscription just like in any fitness gym, but they would learn parkour there. Maybe write articles or books about parkour, and give seminars. That would be how I would get my income. I admit I would probably try to get wealthy clients that can afford to pay higher rates so I feel comfortable with my income, while offering free lessons for people that need it but cannot yet afford it, like younger people or people with no job. I'm obviously not a saint, but it is not always about money.

But I would never try to sell items else than books or Dvd's that explain parkour, talk about it and inspire people to practise it.
I would sell no t-shirts, no shoes, no bags, no training gear or sporting goods, I would not become an online shop (I'm not saying you intend to do that though). If I was to do that, first it would be to profit a good cause, and others would handle it. I would keep my energy for what is actually essential.

Because I'm fed up with anything that looks like a "starsystem", I would not attract people attention on anyone in particular, but would only spend my time making sure the right message is given, and that right message is not only the words that are said or printed. I would have people focused on the meaning, the values, the importance of training, and would strive to never let them get excited by the superficial appearance of some so-called popular of famous parkour "names" style, of their growing fame, get impressed by the ads they make or such things.
So consequently I would not set up a team that might let others feel that they're "less" and that those are a kind of lucky elite. There would be no such special people.
I would not set up a whole team so the fresh and energetic image of Parkour can be used to make money as soon as there is an opportunity, nor try to trigger such opportunities by using the popularity I have struggled to get before through a website and which is due to people that visit and participate to my website.
I would not strive to build a popular website so that my important customers (companies) can target and market all the "little" people that are attracted to that site. Because I know it is the best way to make a website profitable, but also the best way to forget about what is really essential : helping people to learn what is essential, and I would avoid to use them in any way. In a nutshell, there would be NO advertisement on my site, except if the product they make is good for the people or the planet = fairtrade, organic or ecological products and that people are aware this is the only reason such entities would be allowed on my website : because they do what is good and they do it the right way.  The money these companies would pay would be used for a good cause (helping these companies already being a help to a good cause) or directly to why not, rent a place where people could come and train, or other ideas of this type.
I would accept to go slow, but make sure to go right.
Since I'm not the founder of the discipline, I would not   
tell myself that I know how to help people and make the right things for that discipline, but I would first meet its founder to get some guidance. I would certainly mix disciplines and then tell that people have to make a difference by themselves about what the discipline they are discovering is and is not. In order to avoid ANY confusion, I would totally avoid any word or image that could induce a confusion in people's minds.
I would accept to maybe not get that richer, but would  only care to make myself happy and others by teaching them. So a website would be a way to spread the word and have the community discuss and share ONLY, not ALSO or priotarily (priority in any business is money) to build the website's fame then that fame can be used to make money by selling my visitors time of presence and frequency of visiting to major companies. Because if you want to make your website (and/or company) profitable, which you intend to do so you can raise a family ;-) you already know it's not by selling shirts or Dvd's, but by selling your visitors presence and attention to people that sell other things : travels, shoes, electronic items, mobile phones, bags, clothes, sodas, energy bars etc....
No, I would not use a website to do so.
I would certainly not use a website to market the people that are part of my community (like WWJ and UF do) but yes I would use it as a display to get business from companies which staff I could train for instance, or I would use the little recognition I get from dedicating so much time to that website and the community it gathers to meet new clients for my individual or collective lessons or seminars. In that sense it would a legitimate and logical tool and compensation.
I would probably teach others so they can do the same to others and so on : share the knowledge, and help people, and teach people how to help people.
I would make sure I'm not on my way to super mercantilism, but oppositedly make sure I'm humbly contributing to make this world a better one.
No elite, no commercials, no material items to be sold.
Only sharing, only teaching, only helping.
That is how I would do.

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Re: Tribe
« Reply #133 on: January 25, 2006, 11:22:14 AM »
Thank you andi for taking what M2 had said to me and just saying it again.  I really think that I need to see it twice to really see what he was trying to say...*pinches cheeks*  "You help so much!"

M2.  I saw this as attacking.  I said they were attacking you at a personal level...so the personal level was not a bad thing...its because you guys already are intament in your relationship.  For someone who does not know your personal experiences with other people on these boards it seemed as though they were being disrespectful.  I am sorry for Blowing these ideas out of proportion.  I guess this should have been pushed more to Andi, but still...my bad.

I was not embarrassed to say that you, the tribe and the community are doing more for parkour then David belle is.  When saying this I didn't mean just you.  I meant the way that Tribe Represents themselves and the members on this board.  I say this because
1) most mods are in the tribe-they strive for excellence and teach people truth.
2) you because you have created the website with the mindset of learning.
3) The Boards because they are the people that tell others about Parkour and bring them into the sport

Also I had mentioned what you guys are doing NOW.  Not in the past.  I was talking about the movement that this site has created now.  I never ment for this to be about the past or even in the future.

On a side note...I don't take anything back for anything that I said toward Andi.

Andi...how do you know that I am not good at parkour and I never practice?  I train about 3 times a week or MORE.  I am sorry that I have to go to college and Work and Rehearsals since I am a theatre Major and I am involved in community service activities.  I would never say that I am better then you because I don't know your level of ability but to say that I am not good...you have no Idea.  The only idea that you might have is from old videos that were almost a year ago.  So believe what you want.  I cant really say I am good at parkour because that is a contradiction of terms.

I wasn't able to read what parkourdan has said and more but I will get to that later because I have to get to work...
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Re: Tribe
« Reply #134 on: January 25, 2006, 11:34:47 AM »
I'd just like to call back to what Erwan said earlier about focusing on the positive and that everything in the future is Assumption.

Everybody in the parkour community cares about parkour, deeply. If all of the arguments, current and in the past aren't an indication of this I'm not sure what is. Every member in The Tribe has been super active in the parkour community, helping on the forums, and helping in real life jams, training sessions, meets. Just like the people taking part in this discussion who aren't in The Tribe, andi, parkourdan, erwan [I know I don't know you guys real well, but from the firey passion here I hope I'm making a safe assumption] help.

The main topic of discussion here is The Tribe, and what may or may not come from it. I know an "official mission statement" hasn't been put out just yet, but I know how I feel, and I know I wouldn't have accepted the invitation to join The Tribe if it stood for things that I am against. It makes sense the the same goes for all of the other Members who have been active enough in the community that people know what we're like.

If we do something horrible in the future, let us know, talk to us then.

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Re: Tribe
« Reply #135 on: January 25, 2006, 11:44:02 AM »
Erwan, as usual, a huge and very meaningful post. I agree with everything you say for the most part (by agree I mean that I like your method of what you would do, since it is what you would do there really is no "agree").

I think that there is more room than you allow in your ideas for some products and companies exposure without being such a bad thing and at the same time allowing for some profit.

you can see that to date there is no "for profit" advertising anywhere on this site, the closest thing is a link to WWJ. There is also a link to Crossfit, I have done this without them even asking because I believe it is a good thing that helps people.

One concept I think you are missing slightly is that to get the "better paying bigger clients" which you have said is probably a good idea, you NEED to have traffic and people and a community on your website. If you don't make a website which somehow attracts some attention, you can't attract those things.

The teaching part is the part that I would like most of my focus to be on, much like you have said. Since I was young I wanted to be a martial arts teacher, then, when I saw David Belle, I wanted to adapt my wish for martial arts teaching to Parkour teaching combined with some elements of martial arts, yoga, and other things that I feel are "life beneficial". If it is necessary to exploit some big company to do this, for instance Adidas logos on the walls of my gym gives me enough money to keep it running, then I see this as a necessary evil.

I can see your idea of "do it the slow but right way" ... but the reality, at least in any US city, is that you need LOTS of money to have a place to train people. Yes, I would do it just in a park for free, or in a rented space, saving the "business start up cost" ... but all of those things are very limited in what you can do, what you are allowed to do, and in building up a school which will support a living.

As for being a banker, I am actually a computer geek. I have a stock broker license, but I work in technology, no actually with money. but, more to the point, my wife has a very good job, I am lucky for that, but I feel it's pertinent to this conversation because it does relieve much of the strain of me needing commercial support to pursue my ideal career. In other words, I don't have to make that much to make an acceptable level of comfortable living for a family.

This however doesn't take away from the very high cost of rent, insurance, and other things which are very necessary, especially in the US, especially in 2006. Lawyers, accountants, all these things are necessary. Permits, licenses, all necessary. You can't have a business here without, and of course then 30% goes to taxes.

So, my point in this long thing is that if I thought "the slow way" would work, I would do it, but I don't feel that reality allows for this. If I won the lottery, I would still make the T-shirts, because I make them for people who want them, not for myself, and not for the $6. Believe me, my time is better spent doing other things from a monetary view.

If I won the lottery, I would open a gym, no sponsors, but then if I found a backpack that I loved, I would show it to people and offer a way for them to buy it if I thought it was a good product and I could get it for them cheaper.

When I was with UF I didn't sell Jump London DVD's to people because they were cheaper on amazon. But then when Jump Britain came out I was in the US, and I could save people $3, at the expense of about 15 minutes apiece to myself. Not a good business venture, but something I considered to be "helping people get something they want".

So this is where I see more of products working into it than your plan. In an ideal world, your plan would be my plan :)

I have also yet to meet David Belle as you have pointed out. I have an email conversation with Joss in which I have asked to meet David when he is next in the US. I cannot afford the time or money now to go to France, and I have not had the privilege of talking with David directly. I also am horrible at trying to learn French, so there are some obvious limitations there.



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Re: Tribe
« Reply #136 on: January 25, 2006, 12:35:18 PM »
Erwan, Thank you for posting that. It shows that you do not have access to the inner workings of M2s head, you leave possibilities at what they are, instead of assuming you know where each action will lead, because none of us know EXACTLY what is going on inside his head, and we really should assume that we do.

Thats exactly what gets these battles started, people assuming they know exactly what is going on.


this shit needs to stop. C'mon guys.

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Re: Tribe
« Reply #137 on: January 25, 2006, 12:42:02 PM »
Erwan, Thank you for posting that. It shows that you do not have access to the inner workings of M2s head, you leave possibilities at what they are, instead of assuming you know where each action will lead, because none of us know EXACTLY what is going on inside his head, and we really should assume that we do.

Thats exactly what gets these battles started, people assuming they know exactly what is going on.


this shit needs to stop. C'mon guys.

First off, I have read all the rest since I left last night and it still seemed to be almost on the same crap.
I agree with you Erwan, and M2  but mostly I agree with Skipper!

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Thats correct. Its all correct, we dont need any more analogies.

thank you to all who tried to explain, contributed, or just had a positive attitude about it. From here on out, I dont want to hear any more on this topic. If you dont get it by now, you just dont get it. Im sorry we couldnt be of more help, but we did our best, and we can only hope that you all did too.

this aspect of discussion is OVER. i dont want to hear ANY more on it. It will be locked if anyone attempts to respark negative disputes, please dont go out of your ways to stir shit, it only gives the entire community a terrible reputation. Do not do it, it wont be tolerated.

Back to discussion (and i thank you Asa for bringing us back to discussion, you get an applaud). We do not have a mission statement just yet, we will probably be working on it this week so we will direct you to it upon completion.

thank you

No, thank you skip!, because I feel again that I have wasted my time reading this same thread whih took like 2 or 3 hours.
I hope this does stop because I'm not reading anymore analogies about basically the same thing over and over.

Skipper your the best "applaud" and M2 thanks for that last post I hope that wraps that up "applaud". yey
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« Reply #138 on: January 25, 2006, 12:48:06 PM »
Dan, I have read your post again with as open a mind as I possibly could. I had a nice cup of tea, deep breaths.

I still think it is empty and baseless.

"You represent the American Public and this is why you can say these things"? very interesting indeed!!

You say you can say many truths that backup what you are talking about. I suggest you start, otherwise your post is empty and baseless. None of the things you are talking about have any truth to them that I know of.

If you want me to even acknowledge what you're saying, I'm afraid you'll have to add those specifics.

As for "everyone wanting their piece of the pie" ... the only piece I want is a chance to help. I don't care who else has what else, I am only responsible and accountable for my actions and for those of things I directly influence, ie APK and the Tribe.

You say your post is not an ego thing and you are trying to help all the little people, I'm sorry, I just can't see that no matter how many times I read the words.

What's more, you make accusations and threats that you'll reveal some terrible truth about me (I'm assuming this is the part about how I'm a liar) ... without actually saying what you are accusing me of or what I have lied about!!

That's a great catch 22 ...
"You're a liar"
"What am I lying about?"
"I'm too nice to tell you"

I'm sorry, I still feel it's BS.


Yes, in my email I said to you that if you didn't supply clarification, I'd have to come on the same public forum where you make your accusation and say that I feel they're empty accusations, and that I didn't want things to be "me against you". your answer to that is a post in which you say, not even imply, that I don't care.

I'm sorry, I just don't know how to find the positive in your message.
I don't know how to find the "helpful" in your message.
I don't know who appointed you the voice of "all the little people who can't speak for themselves"
and I don't even know what it is you're accusing me of except for  a) not caring and b) mentioning the Tribe on APK.

I'm not trying to be your enemy, but I feel very strongly that you've come here with bad intentions, called me a liar, said I don't care, and threatened to expose the truth.

PLEASE. FOR GOD'S SAKE TELL US THE TRUTH

If I am guilty of doing something bad for the community I want to know so I can stop doing it!!!




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« Reply #139 on: January 25, 2006, 12:51:14 PM »
wait wait wait...thats not all yet.  I've been following this thread all day in school.

There was one question that was never answered about the competitive obstacle coursing aspect.

How are you comparing these two mediums?

I thought parkour was the ability to move over any obstacle, no matter its challenge-many different possibilities....
Isn't the point of an obstacle course to see how long it takes you to get over a predetermined course in the shortest time?

I had the impression that what made parkour unique was that everyone had their own path, so how would parkour "competitions" be compared to cometitive obstacle coursing? If anything, parkour would be turned INTO competitive obstacle coursing....

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