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Powerbars and such
« on: January 09, 2006, 07:34:09 PM »
During track season I thrive on balance bars, powerbars, and bananas (mainly just on meet days but also a lot during the week).  Is it neccessarily good to be eating so many protein type bars?   ;)(gear) ;)

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Re: Powerbars and such
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2006, 07:43:44 PM »
Yeah. i've been wondering the same thing, I'm quite partial to Nutriment shakes and Banana's, it tastes good to me, but is it good for me?

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2006, 07:44:24 AM »
You need to read the nutritional labeling on the various bars.  A lot of these bars will be packed with sugar and fat . . . esspecially the power/energy type bars.  In many cases you might as well just be eating a regular chocolate candy bar.  Protein bars, energy bars, meal replacement bars can be good as a pre/post workout snack, for fuel as an endurance athlete, or as a meal replacement.  However, you should be active enough to compensate for ingesting these types of bars or you will just pack on the pounds.  Though, these bars can be helpful there really isn't a replacement for eating natural foods for your daily nutritional needs.  With that said, I use protein shakes daily before I goto the gym to lift and as one of my 5-6 meals during the day.

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2006, 07:54:09 AM »
Thankyou, I've also been thinking about having protein shakes in the mornings before workouts, do they really work that well?   

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2006, 01:52:59 PM »
Work that well for what? They are convenient and highly bioavailable (if you're referring to whey protein) but they are pretty highly refined, so I wouldn't rely on them for too much of your total  protein intake (better to stick with lean meats whenever possible).

As for the power-bars...ugh...There are very few situations where you would ever need that many carbohydrates in one fell swoop (Balance bars are the exception, as they have a balance of protein, carbohydrate and fat...though they are just a bit better than a candy-bar ;)). This would be in the time directly before, during and after an EXTREMELY taxing event (such as runs at or over 10k that you are hitting near world-class time, long and intense workouts that are longer than 1-1.5 hours, etc.) During this time, it helps to replinish your muscle-glycogen stores. For all other situations, you are overdoing the refueling process and spiking your insulin levels unnecessarily. Keep your insulin too high for long periods of time and you could be setting yourself up for TONS of chronic, syndrome-X diseases. For almost every other type of activity, you can rely on a balance of protein, carbohydrates and healthy fats.

I used to think of Parkour as a long-endurance activity, and I would eat TONS of Clif bars and drink gatorade all day to keep my energy up. Then I began to research a bit and found resources for moderate-carbohydrate nutrition plans. At the same time, I realized that our activity is much more speed/power-endurance related. For the past 4 months, I have been following the Zone nutrition plan pretty-exactly, which has cut both my total carbohydrates and total calories in half. At first I was extremely skeptical, thinking that I'd go out for a long training session and get that horrible low-blood-sugar feeling. Turns out, the exact opposite has happened, and apparently my bodies improved ability to utilize dietary fats as fuels comes in handy. I have trained at lengths from an hour to 6 or so hours, and have had tons more energy than before with better recovery in-between workouts. My body-fat has dropped while I've gained lean-body-mass which has improved my performance both in workouts and in everyday Parkour.

I am currently working on a more in-depth article about my experience with the program, as I think that the Zone combined with Crossfit-style workouts has lead to a HUGE difference in my overall fitness and ability. Until then, I would suggest that anybody who's interested check out the nutrition forum on Crossfit.com, along with the Zone-Perfect nutrition site which has some great tools for determining your ratios for macronutrients and such (as long as you can wade through the commercial aspect of it all  ::)).

For those who don't care to even do that much work, I'll break down a few quick rules:
1.) Eat protein at every meal
2.) Eat fruits vegetables (no, potatoes don't count) at every meal
3.) Limit your consumption of grains. Oatmeal is about your best choice, everything else should be a condiment.
4.) Fish-Oil is absolutely essential.
5.) Try to spread your food-consumption over 4-6 meals throughout the day.

Simple enough ;)
« Last Edit: January 10, 2006, 04:01:53 PM by gear »

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2006, 03:07:22 PM »
Wow, you are good  :).  How did you learn so much about health/fitness?

though they are just a bit better than a candy-bar ;)

Ya, thats why I like them so much ;D, I can basically have a candy bar without some of the bad stuff.

Thankyou for the info.
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2006, 06:03:31 PM »

2.) Eat fruits vegetables (no, potatoes don't count) at every meal


 Potatoes dont count!!!! NOOOOOOOOOO, that preety much the only one i eat, that and green beans.

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2006, 07:35:44 PM »
Well, the good thing is that you're not alone, as the majority of people base their diets on starches and refined carbohydrates almost exclusively...the bad thing is that most people are extremely unhealthy and malnurished. It's not the best group to be a part of ;)

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Re: Powerbars and such
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2006, 08:34:14 PM »
I base my diet on 30% complex carbohydrates, 10% sunlight, %50 pitying fools and %40 disregard for basic mathematic principles.

Seriously though, when you're talking about fish oils, are you talking about the stuff you buy in a bottle (cod liver oil, I think it's called), or from eating actual fish? Or is it all the same?

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2006, 08:41:28 PM »
i think its better to just eat the fish(albeit its expensive) but with the fish you will probaly get different vitamins that the Bottled stuff just doesn't have.

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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2006, 08:49:04 PM »
I know that you all are going to tell me that I'm crazilywierd, but I'm a sardene lover.  I could snack on sardenes all day and still want more.  My parents even gave me a can of sardenes in my stocking ;D.  I knida like anchovies too, but they're a little salty.  So do sardenes have a lot of fish oil?  if so I'm set for life ;)

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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2006, 09:29:17 PM »
That depends what kind of oils they are marinated in. Some of the oils have different bases and contain more fat grams. Reading labels is important if your going to be serious about it. Moderation and balance are usually the key to all diets that you decide to do. If anyone is wondering about muscle building and break down this formula will give you a general idea of how much protein you will need after a work out.
1. Weight in pounds divided by 2.2 = weight in kg
2. Weight in kg x 0.8-1.8 gm/kg = protein gm.

Hopefully that helps a little eventhough it went a bit off topic.  :D

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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2006, 07:21:29 AM »
The primary benefit of the intake of fish oil or cod liver oil is the omega-3 fatty acids.  YOu can either take the supplements or eat fatty fish like mackerel, lake trout, herring, sardines, albacore tuna and salmon.  Omega-3 helps to fight many types of disease, increases your energy level and ability to concentrate, and provides greater resistance to common illnesses such as flu and cold.

Something to point out is that there is a difference between cod liver and fish oils.  Cod liver oil contains a higher cocentration of vitamin D.  Most people get enough vitamin D from foods like milk/dairy products and from sunlight exposure.  However, if you are vitamin D deficient you can take cod liver oil.

Cod liver and fish oil can be had in oil form or in gelcaps.  Gelcaps are nice for the convenience and cuz fish and cod liver oil can taste pretty bad.  However, the gelcaps tend to cost more. 

There is also flaxseed oil, which is something my fiance's trainer was telling me about.  I think it becomes omega-3 fatty acid once ingested or something.  I don't know much about flaxseed oil.  Maybe gear could shed some light.

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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2006, 08:59:17 AM »
As much as it would be great to rely strictly on fish, it's best to take fish-oil capsules, as they are much more cost-effective and convenient. Flax oil will work if you have no other option, but your body has to break down and synthesize the fatty acids which is much less effecient and has a few side-effects in its action.

I'm at work at the moment, so I don't have the whole fatty-acid scientific breakdown handy, though I did write a short article on fish-oil in the nutrition section of the main site. It's not a complete resource, but it has some good links!

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Re: Powerbars and such
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2006, 11:09:19 AM »
I take cod liver oil capsules on a regular basis. It also a anti-inflammatory which is helpful for those aching joints. I know certain kinds of fish are high in mercury (some more than others) so I steer clear of that and get most of my protein from chicken, turkey and whey.

but to get back to the powerbars and such issue:
what are some brands/types of nutritional bar that people like that aren't all filled with sugar and junk?

I prefer cliff and odwalla bars.


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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2006, 12:43:59 PM »
AHAHAHAHAAHAHA
Matt- we were talking about powerBARS not powerBALLS. hahahahahhaah :P :P

but my dynaflex ball (powerball imitation) is falling apart too. :-[

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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2006, 02:13:38 PM »
i know where talking about powerbars, but where did you guys get your powerballs, i have been searching in vein for a while now

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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2006, 05:52:22 PM »
cliffbars are a substitute to powerbars, I also like the balanced life i think they're called. Those mostly stay away from the "junk" in the bars and provide the essentials.
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2006, 07:59:33 PM »
I love balance bars, but thats becasue they are mostly just a healthier candy bar.  ;)

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2006, 07:46:50 AM »
PK Gorilla-  Matthew got his powerball over the internet.  I think he got his at powerball.com for around 40 bucks. I got a knock off called Dynaflex at Academy Sport and Outdoors for 20. The powerball is a little better built and lights up when gyrating at full speed, the dynaflex lacks that feature. I think both of ours do not quite operate as good as the first day we had them but we have used them a lot for several months and think they are really beneficial.
the dynaflex site is www.dynaflex-intl.com

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