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Healthy stuff
« on: July 20, 2007, 06:40:39 PM »
I am trying to change my diet, but I need some help...I have a few questions and can someone give me examples of what you eat throughout the day, also some big no nos?
Is a thickburger from hardies bad for you, with french fries, and a strawberry shake? In other words, is it really a bad idea to eat fast food?

ps. just realized i didnt put it in diet board, sorry :/

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Re: Healthy stuff
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2007, 06:56:42 PM »
Fast food is about the worst thing you can eat. Most of the component parts of a burger aren't that bad: ground beef, tomato, lettuce, even cheese. But how they're prepared is what kills you.

You have to find the diet that works for you but I have heard that a lot of people on here use the Zone diet (or a modification thereof). Here is a helpful link:

The Zone for Crossfit

I include my daily diet in my Training Journal, which you are welcome to look at here. You may have to scroll down a bit because it took me a while to finalize the format of my entries, but since then I have included everything I eat as well as how I train. My diet is modeled off of the one provided in the other link I gave you, for the most part.

In general, the less processed food you can eat, the better. The fewer "steps" food has to go through to get from its natural state (on a tree, on the hoof, what have you) into your tummy, the better. Food that comes in boxes or has a long shelf life is less good for you than food that comes in leaves or a peel and has a short shelf life. :) The closer your food can be to its natural state when you ingest it, the better.

I am a huge nerd about organic/local/seasonal food. I usually go grocery shopping every 2-3 days and just pick up what I need for that day, from local co-ops as often as possible, because most of what I buy is fresh fruits and veggies that will go bad quickly.

My suggestion, if you are serious about getting your diet in shape, is to cook your own food as often as possible. If you don't know how to cook, learn. It's actually relatively simple, it just takes practice. Cooking Light is a good starting point although IMO many of their recipes are too "carb-tastic" for how I prefer to eat. However they are a great resource for general nutritional information and their recipes are generally pretty easy for beginners, with clear directions, informative articles, etc.

I'm pretty passionate about food, so if I come across as a snob or something, I'm sorry... I don't mean to. But honestly, I don't understand how anyone can put into their body some of the things that pass for "food" these days.

You only get one body, you know? It deserves the very best sustenance you can manage.
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Re: Healthy stuff
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2007, 07:04:58 PM »
Great reply, this was pretty much exactly what I wanted to hear :D Thanks a lot! I am 140 lbs. and i am 6'2", I was thinking of trying to gain some weight in muscle, like a lot... I know fast food is pretty much nasty, but it it because of the fryer, cuz hardies doesnt fry anything :D But yeah I think this is the last time I eat fast food, at least for a long while, unless I find it to be good for me for gaining weight for muscle, I need to read threw the links a bit and google some stuff :D ANYWAY, thanks a lot for the help!

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Re: Healthy stuff
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2007, 07:21:13 PM »
Well, my stomach doesn't ingest fast food very well.
But seriously, do you really want to eat food prepared by teenagers thinking only about how to get laid?
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Re: Healthy stuff
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2007, 07:26:06 PM »
Good point... ha, I really didn't want to eat fast food and I have stopped drinking mountain dew as well :'( i miss mountain dew... Anyway, My parents brought the fast food home, what could i do, lol

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Re: Healthy stuff
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2007, 07:38:34 PM »
Yeah, I have the same problem.  I have an especially weak spot for mozarella sticks, one of the worst things for you at all! But they're soooooo good.......anway, enough of talking about that.  It's making me hungry!  :D

I am going to try to stop eating fast food, or at least eat a lot less of it.  I have a very fast metabolism, as it sounds like you do Skeptic.  I am also 6'2 and weigh just shy of 150, like 145 or 148 or something.  So I've always eaten whatever I felt like.

But I notice that I think I am gaining some weight, but not muscle weight.  I am going to start watching what I eat better.
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Re: Healthy stuff
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2007, 07:42:06 PM »
I just missed the time limit for editing my post  :-\  I was going to add this thought:

I like the idea of local foods Muse_of_Fire.  I am studying (or am about to start studying this fall) to be an architect and I am currently working in an architectural firm.  There's a big push toward "sustainability" in architecture nowadays, which has interested me alot,  and that goes hand in hand with that....eating local food that doesn't have a bunch of processed stuff and didn't use a lot of carbon-emitting transportation to get there.

I went to my local farmers market for the first time the other day...it was cool.  Maybe I'll start buying some of my food there.
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Re: Healthy stuff
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2007, 07:49:28 PM »
Yeah, I eat like 5 meals a day and stay about 140 -_-  I found some stuff on youtube about building muscle, I have to eat more carbs and a LOT more protein to keep my body from eating itself, ahh this seems way harder than I thought it would be lol

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Re: Healthy stuff
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2007, 11:27:24 PM »
If you want a solution to your (under)weight problem, well I can tell you what's working for me. I started a diet and training plan (posted here on APK) that's all about the weight gain (I'm 6'0" and I started at 128 lbs). So far after 1 month I've gained 5 pounds. And that's ALL muscle, because:

I'm eating a ton of food (>3,200 calories daily now)
99% of that food is clean (whole, organic, hippy type stuff - minus soy cause soy sucks)
5-7 meals a day
Meals are balanced for my body type (heavy on protein, balanced carbs and fat, less carbs on rest days)
I'm following a 3x a week, compound total body barbell lifting program  - Starting Strength (link c/o Steve Low's excellent APK fitness article)
I'm getting plenty of sleep

I've got one advantage though: I have ZERO cravings for junk food, sweets, candy, etc. because eating a Snickers / fried Twinkie / stick of butter makes me feel queasy / sick / headache / sluggish  and it's not worth the fleeting gratification. On the other hand, toss me a pile of Whole Earth Catalog nuts and twigs crap (slathered in organic peanut butter) and I'm golden. Go figure.

As far as appetite and food goes, you're probably going through the same thing I was before I started my program: you THINK you're eating enough, but you're not even close. The only way to find out is to go totally OCD and write down the calories of EVERYTHING you eat for a day. Read labels. Look up unlabeled food on NutritionData.com. Do it for a week or so. After that, you'll know how many calories you're actually taking in.

Then you calculate how many calories your body needs to survive. Good rule of thumb since you're a beanpole too is just bodyweight X 20. 21 if you're 18 or younger.

Subract calories in and calories out. You're about to find out, like me, that unless your bony ass is solar paneled you ain't got the energy to grow. Hell you probably can't even maintain!

So let's pretend you've figured out you need 2500 maintenance calories per day. How would you eat that much? Plan. Try one day: Chart out 6-8 meals spread out throughout that day that contain 2500 calories, 1-1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight, and a good balance of fat and carbs.

If all of that food is healthy and clean, guess what? Your chart is gonna be LOADED. Healthier foods have less calories and take up more space. Sucks don't it?

And here's the real challenge: You gotta stack 500-1000 calories ON TOP of that, every DAY, to gain any weight!

Hey it's not all suck. You've got a few things working in your favor:

You can go at your own pace. One day I force-fed myself 3500 calories when I was NOT prepared. That whole day all I could do was groan and fart. Build up calories gradually and you won't be overwhelmed. 250-500 extra per day works.

Your body adapts. I started out glumly staring at my dinner plate, and now I get hungry constantly. In fact, I just downed another whey shake and am munching on bananas right now. Writing works up my appetite :)

You can make food convenient. I chop veggies and cook food in big batches so later meals and salads are a snap. I make and eat a full, complete breakfast every morning now, the kind you see on cereal commercials that could feed the cast, crew, and tri-state area (spinach and mushroom 2-3 egg omelet with cheese, cup of cottage cheese topped with frozen blueberries, hippy cereal with milk, cup of hot green tea, and maybe a banana if I'm extra starving).

Avocadoes are your friends. They're packed with healthy fats. Eat 2 a day. Seriously. Eating them raw (at least to me) is like eating a pound of butter, so I recommend a recipe that incorporates them. Damn, now I'm hungry again.... *makes guacamole*

You can make eating fun *munch munch*. Fun for me is giving myself little challenges, like my 2-bag grocery challenge, where I buy 2 bags of groceries and make myself eat them in 6 days. Or get an extra large glass of water and give yourself the ATC (ass-to-chair) challenge: prep a big meal, put it on the table, sit down, and DO NOT GET UP until you've wiped every plate clean! (A book helps. Without this challenge I would have never finished Crime and Punishment)

Liquid meals go down easy and fast. You can mix just about anything with a whey shake and chug it down. They're also less filling than regular food so you can pound them back like a frat pledge doing shots.

For us skinny guys, hitting the weights is the easy part. But if you got the guts and determination day in and day out to basically shove food down your throat every waking moment, you'll make it. I can't say I've succeeded yet, I've still got a long road ahead of me, but I'm making good progress.


Whoa this post got huge. I want to help out my skinny peeps, think any of this has article potential?

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Re: Healthy stuff
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2007, 09:03:00 AM »
Are you sure this bodyweight*20 works? This means I need 4700 calories a day. I would probably pop if I eat that much :))
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Re: Healthy stuff
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2007, 10:17:21 AM »
All of my advice only applies to super-skinny guys trying to gain weight. So don't worry, someone with larger body mass wouldn't have to eat that much... unless they're 9 feet tall or something :) A better rough estimate if you're larger would be bodyweight * 12.

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Re: Healthy stuff
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2007, 04:36:58 PM »
Wow plasma, you are awesome, great help! I need 3000 calories to maintain myself, but I should start by actually getting a healthy eating habit, I just ate pizza hut, and I don't think that is good for you, is it... And I have already stopped eating junk food, and drinking the best drink ever...mountain dew :(   Today I just bought some apples and bananas and oranges and muscle milk and STUFF.

Oh and yeah, that has a lot of article potential, I will see if it works for me, and then if it does you should totally make an article for skinny people :D