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Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« on: July 18, 2007, 11:38:15 AM »
I was reading the Social pressure thread, when something RhayneD said inspired me to start this thread.

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It's the main reason I won't go to jams or meet-ups, because I know I'll be the "geezer" with the kids.

While I completely understand the uncomfortableness of a situation like this, I encourage you to meet up with younger traceurs, even if it's just occasionally. Everyone one of the (few) times I have met someone older who is interested in parkour, I have had really fantastic discussions with them.

So while the age gap might be significant, I think parkour is one of the few activities where age doesn't have to be a significant barrier in participation.  Older generations can learn skills and techniques from younger ones, and the younger generations can learn a lot about life, and the mental side of things, from the older generations.

I've seen this sentiment from a couple of people while browsing this forum, and while I'm not going to identify it as an excuse (oops! I just did.), having an entire population range not active in the face-to-face community really holds the community as a whole back.

There is often social pressure to "stop playing like kids." Here's some social pressure to keep playing like kids, but WITH kids!

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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2007, 12:15:34 PM »
I agree.  And while I don't want to start comandeering the 30+ board and turning it into a 10-and-up thread,  ;D , I would just like to say that I think it would be awesome to see our more matured brethren at jams!

The benefit is mutual.  Those who are older can learn the moves, etc and strive to be as nimble as some of the younger people are (and sometimes are more nimble!).  It serves as a reminder of what it is to be young, and can help them strive to be so in mind.

To the younger generations, seeing someone who is older than us do parkour (or any other activity) serves as a reminder that we are never too old to do anything.  Sometimes, me, just being a teen, get discouraged, especially after a hard workout or jam or something, and think "I'll never be good at parkour.  It's impossible!"

But then I see others, who do not let age or physical "limits" actually limit their ability to enjoy parkour...at whatever level.  That is truly inspiring.


So I say this to all who may think they are too ol to meet up with younger traceurs:  IGNORE YOUR INHIBITIONS!  The truth is that most traceurs WANT to see you at the jams....and if anybody gives you any harder a time than just good-natured joking about being older, either ignore him or find a different group to go with, because chances are he has no idea what parkour is and is not!  Don't let it keep you from going, though.

Remember, parkour is all about overcoming obstacles....age is just another of these obstacles.

And finally, to quote some inspiration from Bruce Lee, whose quote also appears in my signature, let this be an inspiration to not let you care what other people think:

"Art reaches its greatest peak when devoid of self-consciousness.  Freedom discovers man the moment he loses concern over what impression he is making or about to make."
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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2007, 03:15:24 PM »
Aahh you young punks... taking over our boards... why, I remember the day when Nike only had the "waffle trainer" and we used to run through the woods, jump on things, climb trees, jump off the garage... Didn't call it parkour then...

I think that's my problem: When I train with young people, I have to admit how out of shape I've let myself become. I'm not as fast, strong, or flexible as I was. I realize how fragile people are, now. I've got friends who are para and quadraplegic. [Paragliding, moped injury, diving injury, and don't remember]

When I train by myself, I can focus on the short term progress I'm making. "Ok, I ran 3 miles today. That's better than last week." I don't have to remember that I was running 10 miles barefoot six years ago...

But then some punk comes along. We're running at a good clip. There's a little friendly competition maybe. But inside I'm saying, "Even just a few years ago I would be smoking you so badly..." and I'm feeling every donut I've ever eaten, joint and muscle pain... I think I can still do a move, and find out the hard way that I can't.

So it's not just the effort to learn the new moves. It's not just that I'm wimpier, slower, and stiffer than you. The part that hurts is realizing I'm much wimpier, slower and stiffer than I used to be.

That's part of why I'm training PK fairly seriously. If I can avoid injuring myself, [which hasn't been easy], maybe I can re-build my strength, speed, and flexibility. And have a lot of fun doing it.


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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2007, 05:25:19 PM »
Well said, everyone.

It's no problem having you younger guys chime in, in fact, it's welcomed.  The more inter-generational PK becomes, the better.  In fact, ANY endeavor that fosters generational interaction is to be lauded.
Most of my daily physical activity is not made up of PK, but of shooting hoops and bodysurfing.  Both activities are greatly enhanced by the generational interaction.  On the courts (while I bring in all of my 55+years), most of the guys are in their mid twenties to mid thirties, and out in the surf, you get everyone from 15 to 60+, and it's all great because of it.

The young have their youth to offer for inspiration, while the more "advanced" (as we like to call ourselves) have the wisdom of our years (and injuries) to provide perspective.  It's all good.  We older guys KNOW (or should) that activities have to be scaled back by degrees, because the older you get, the longer (if completely ever) it takes to heal.  So injury-avoidance is a high priority.

There are a lot of basic moves in PK that will greatly enhance how you carry yourself through your environment, without EVER having to pull off anything even remotely dangerous.  I've done little seat and rail-hops at the ballpark that have "earned" me some favorable remarks from complete strangers who were sitting next to me, and these were guys who were 20 years younger.  If you practice ANY PK moves, your going to be ahead of 99.9% of the entire population of the planet, so it won't take much to set you apart from the crowd.

I've also had some great sessions just playing around on jungle-gym equipment at parks, and rock-hopping on boulder seawalls and jetties at the beach.  You just have to be creative and have fun.  You younger guys weren't around "back in the day" when I was growing up,  but there was maybe one or two kids in any given class who were overweight.  Now, it is at least half the class in any school anywhere you go who are overweight, and they are well down the road to encountering a boat-load of trouble by the time they are forty (if they happen to live that long).  This current generation is the most unhealthy generation that has ever walked the planet in "modern" times.  The chicken is going to come home to roost.

All that said, PK (practiced with reasonable moderation) will help to keep the "wolf at bay", as long as you don't end up in a walker by forty from a dozen broken bones, sprains, strains, tears, bruises, abrasions, concussions, contusions. . .you fill in the blanks.

Be careful, and have fun out there. . .
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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2007, 08:11:37 PM »
I think anyone who treats someone differently because of their age is a total douchebag with lots of complexes  :)
Especially people who are older than you (coz everyone knows underclassmen are stupid).

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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2007, 09:39:34 AM »
Its definately beneficial for the sport as a whole to be as intergenerational as possible.  I can't count the number of times i've gotten tips on my form or play in basketball and volleyball from an older player.  I'd definately like to receive some on my Parkour.
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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2007, 03:22:42 PM »
Personally I think too much homogeneity in general will hurt parkour. One really easy way for us 30+ers to diversify the landscape is to just show up! Not just the demographic but also mood in general. It's really funny hanging around these guys 10, 15 years younger than me and hearing the same conversations I had that many years ago. I feel like the wise old man chiming in with the next bit of dime-store wisdom their whole crowd will discover in about a year.

It's also interesting, mostly because I look very young for my age (31), but also because I can keep up with most people at most jams, that everyone just assumes I'm a teenager. It's fun to kinda step into that roll for a bit but also nice to be able to step out after my feet start to hurt and my abs are sore.

I too feel a little awkward sometimes when I just don't feel like I'm among my peers (and glad to know others feel that way too, btw), but once I get into the mindset of playing then it tends to fall away, and we all interact as peers. It's interesting to note that 13-year-olds at a jam don't seen self conscious about interacting with 17-year-olds. That's emotionally a bigger gap than 17-25, sometimes 30. If they can do it, dammit, so can I!

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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2007, 04:37:03 PM »
Agreed. The thing that makes parkour so awesome is that it is completely accessible to anyone willing to do it. It cuts across race, economic, age, gender lines... all that stuff.

Maybe it's because I'm a secondary-grades teacher and I'm used to hanging out with teens all day, but honestly I LOVE going to jams and hanging out with "the kids." It keeps me young, and it's humbling, actually, to be learning so much from people 10-15 years my junior.

More to say on this later, but I'm late for an appointment.
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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2007, 05:59:40 PM »
I think this is one of the greatest things about parkour...

Today we had a training session at a local hotspot after classes. In our group was:

Me, a more experienced 20 year old business major at CU Boulder
Matt, a a more experienced 23 year old exercise science major at MSCD
Jim, a 30 year old teacher and his wife Brenda who is now getting into parkour also
Carolynn, a 15 year old high school student
Ethan, a newer 16 year old high school student
Jesse and Justin, two high school age brothers

Where else in every day life do you ever find a diverse group like that hanging out together? Parkour is great because it brings all of us together regardless of age, sex, profession/school, athletic background, interests, etc. These are people who have become my friends who, because of our very different situations and places in life, probably would never interact otherwise. Great stuff!

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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2008, 09:00:58 AM »
I think this is one of the greatest things about parkour...

Today we had a training session at a local hotspot after classes. In our group was:

Me, a more experienced 20 year old business major at CU Boulder
Matt, a a more experienced 23 year old exercise science major at MSCD
Jim, a 30 year old teacher and his wife Brenda who is now getting into parkour also
Carolynn, a 15 year old high school student
Ethan, a newer 16 year old high school student
Jesse and Justin, two high school age brothers

Where else in every day life do you ever find a diverse group like that hanging out together? Parkour is great because it brings all of us together regardless of age, sex, profession/school, athletic background, interests, etc. These are people who have become my friends who, because of our very different situations and places in life, probably would never interact otherwise. Great stuff!

I agree with you there. It really brings people closer together in cases like that.

I have never seen another person who practices parkour in my life (in person), and I doubt I will fit in. This thought in my mind is almost gone now thanks to you people here at this forum. When I am able to drive and go to one one day (I really hope I am that lucky) then I will go...but until then it is this forum for me. I really feel like the parkour community is a place where I can fit in...where anyone can.
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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2009, 01:24:46 AM »
I've grown quite accustomed to it. In fact, I prefer younger people to hang out with. Guys my own age really don't seem to remember how to have fun.  ::)
If you ask me if I would rather sit around with a bunch of fat old guys reminiscing about our prime or doing cats and tic tacs with a bunch of teenagers, I'll take the cats and tic tacs everytime.   ;D

I started when I was 39 or so.  LOL I know all you HIPk guys are gonna start rolling your eyes, cuz you guys have heard my war stories a dozen times, but shut up anyway, cuz these people haven't heard it yet.   :P

I enlisted in the Army at 35. Try going through boot camp with a bunch of rebellious 18 and 17 year olds who know everything, but don't know when to shut up when they need to...  Needless to say, our drill sergeant made us do many, many, many push ups and laps around the quad to convince us otherwise.  ::)

I was discharged from the Army in 2006 with degenerative disc disease, 2 herniated discs, some nerve damage and slight muscular atrophy.
Was feeling sorry for myself and depressed for awhile until I ran into some 15 year old free runner kids in Virginia. (Sup Adam! If you and the Va. Beach crew are here! I miss you guys!)

I didn't know what they were doing or what it was called, but it looked fun and flashy and they seemed to be having a great time. I'd sit and watch them whenever I saw them. At first, they were kind of wary of me as the creepy old dude that came to watch them every day, but after awhile they seemed to accept my presence and finally started talking to me. They nicknamed me the Dirty Old Man, because of my often inappropriate Army grunt humor. They asked me to join them and they taught me some stuff. I still can't do all the aerials and flips they do, but I was eventually able to learn how to vault, climb and jump to keep up. Through that I discovered what parkour was. I stopped feeling sorry for myself and was determined to not accept being a cripple for the rest of my life.  Thank you Adam, Tyler, Shane, DanO, Kelly, Cutler and Landon for teaching me how to be a kid again. I love you guys!  Thanks also to Ozzi and the HIPk gang for taking me in when I moved to Hawaii.

Yeah, it can be awkward at times when I'm the same age or older than the parents of the guys I was hanging out and having fun with. I did get a lot of strange looks at first, but after awhile I was just part of the gang.

« Last Edit: July 10, 2009, 02:15:50 AM by Lion143 »

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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2009, 04:12:42 PM »
Who you calling fat?  ;D Since I stopped doing the heavy weights and cut back down to 2 or 3 meals a day...
Seriously, good to have you here. Welcome to HIpk away from HIpk.

What he's not telling you is
"Fell and slid 90 ft down a rocky mountainside while on a patrol mission in Afghanistan in 2004, wearing full gear and flak vest (about an extra 65 lbs worth), kevlar helmet and an M-4 . The gear actually saved me and cushioned me from most of the fall and impact, but my head still went flailing about and I endured some trauma to my neck.  I finally regained full range of motion in 2006 after extensive physical therapy, traction and rehab and was discharged from the Army under medical."

Also, built himself up from atrophy 128# to what now - like 146# today?

Did you see this in HIPK MovNat thread? Here's the direct link.
url=http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gain-weight-build-muscle/#more-5723

Now you gotta start one journal all over again. See you over in Crazy Talk Talk Story in the Hawaii area.
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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2009, 06:18:16 PM »
LOL

oh wow...  well... I didn't want to bore them with all the sordid details, Gregg, but thank you for letting them all know how clumsy I am.   Ha ha!  :P

But yeah, ugh... I only have like a measly 3 or 4 posts here and I was working so hard to become a board spammer on our old boards.
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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2009, 04:32:58 AM »
Up to 10 now. 149 to go to catch up to where you were.
You could always cut and copy old posts over...

I don't find your story boring. I thought it was inspiring.

I think it's funny when Ozzi [28] starts talking about being old...

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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2009, 05:19:00 PM »
When do I talk about being old  :P  I have always believe elderly is a state of mind.
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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2009, 07:36:53 PM »
Up to 10 now. 149 to go to catch up to where you were.
You could always cut and copy old posts over...

I don't find your story boring. I thought it was inspiring.

I think it's funny when Ozzi [28] starts talking about being old...


LOL  Gregg, you should see how Ozzi cackles with glee when he runs us through conditioning and hears people groan and my joints popping and crackling.
I think he's a closet sadist...   ::)
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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2009, 05:42:20 PM »
Ozzi's pretty open about being a sadist ;D
Ozzi - you really want me to go through old posts and quote you?
You know I don't want to have to do that ;D

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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2009, 02:47:16 AM »
Lion143 I never knew you was 35 when you enlisted. Pretty amazing.

Me im 25. When I train with Gregg, he motivates me.  He's in better looking shape than me, and can do certain things I can't.  I like training with older guys because they usually have more discipline and can usually drop the knowledge bomb when needed.
I think PK itself makes interaction between young and old easier because it has no age preference.  It does bridge that gap pretty nicely.
 

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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2009, 07:03:16 PM »
I thought I was going to feel self-conscious training with a group of "youngin's"... But everyone was focused on training, and I got focused on training, and I forgot to be self-conscious. Except for the fact that I am quite un-limber and out of shape compared with traceurs half my age.
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Re: Feeling uncomfortable when interacting with us "youngin's"
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2009, 03:22:13 AM »
I thought I was going to feel self-conscious training with a group of "youngin's"... But everyone was focused on training, and I got focused on training, and I forgot to be self-conscious. Except for the fact that I am quite un-limber and out of shape compared with traceurs half my age.
In my group thhe average age was probably about 28 until I came along, with a wide variation from about 18 to 36.  The guys like having me there-- the one thing they do say every now and then is, "Tim, aren't you the oldest traceur in DC?"  Which always makes me really proud.  As far as I know, they're right.  I'm the oldestr traceur I know in DC.

Actually, I know of no one older than me practicing parkour.  Hmmm.
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