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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2006, 03:07:11 PM »
Bananas are great!!!  They are one of the healthiest fruits containing some of the strongest health benefits this side of the apple.

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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2006, 07:29:05 PM »
I have a banana before every track meet that I run in and they work wonders.  Not only do they help prevent cramps, they also give you quite a bit of energy.  Plus the fact that they just taste so amazingly good. :D  I'm gonna go eat one now.

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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2006, 07:47:50 PM »
OMG i think i finaly posted somthing educational. Bananas are good after a work out because the potasium in them for some reason nullifys the Lactic acid your muscles produce after a work out. Lactic acid is what makes you sore. Im sure gear could have explained it better, but i contributed!!! ;D lol

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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2006, 08:40:03 PM »
Yeah, bananas are healthy, tasty, and unlike the mango, you can eat it cleanly with one hand (useful for us "bisy backsons"). But don't knock the mango:

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"Mangoes are very nutritious and excellent source of carotene as compared to other fruits. 100 gms of edible portion of the mango contain about 1990ug of beta-carotene (vitamin A), which is much higher than in other fruits. The total carotenoids in mango increase with the stage of ripening. Eating mangoes in the season may provide a store of vitamin A in the liver, sufficient to last for the rest of the year and highly beneficial for the prevention of vitamin A deficient disorders like night blindness.

Mangoes, both ripe and unripe are very good sources of vitamin C. 16mg of vitamin C is present in 100 gms of mango. Both vitamins A and C are anti oxidants and help to prevent free radical injury and thus reduce the risk of certain cancers. Ripe mango provides a good source of calories.

A ripe mango supplies 74kcal per 100 gms (mainly derived from fructose). Raw mango has fewer calories compared to ripe mango. The ripe mango fruit is also a good source of potassium and only traces of sodium makes it suitable for hypertensive patients. Those on potassium restricted diet like renal failure diet, should avoid mangoes. "

-From http://www.bawarchi.com/health/mango.html

Why don't we just splice bananas and mangos? Someone call the Monsanto Company!

I'd love to chow down on a "banango" in the morning.
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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2006, 08:44:58 PM »
That would be awesome, I love bananas and mangos ;D.  Asa you could make a fortune with that idea ;)

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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2006, 08:50:35 PM »
But the only problem is choosing between green mango and ripe mango!

When I was in thailand, my favorite dish was sticky rice with ripe mango, which I'm sure has some health benefits, ( or penalties ). I just liked it because it was delicious and refreshing.

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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2006, 08:58:41 PM »
That sounds really good, in fact adding a mango to different foods would probably make them taste quite a bit better.  I've loved mangos since before I was born :), I just wish they were as cheap as bananas.

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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2006, 09:13:19 PM »
I'm learning about this in Boo today, they have been doing such things for years. the whole concept of genetically enginering things is really tricky. An example, there is this fish in alaska that can survive in water far below freezing, but they isolated the DNA in the fish that allows it to do so, and attach it to a tomato, that way you can grow more tomatoes longer and not have to worry about them freezing. It sounds good right? the thing is they know how to do this but they really dint know its long term affects,  if you are allergic to fish and you eat this tomato you could have an allergic reaction to it.
 Its really amazing the things that they have "spliced" they now have plants that are immune to herbicides, but they fear that say a weed, could pick up that trait of being immune to a herbicide, and then we'd wouldn't be able to control it. The possibility are endless, but its really a double edged sword, with the weeds being immune it seems like "so what, just pull the frickin' weed" that philosophy would work if we were only doing this on plants, and weeds. Say we give a insect thats is beneficial to us immunity to some insecticides, that way we can spray the insectside all we want, and we wouldn't ave to worry about hurting them, only the non beneficial insects.  But say that overtime a mosquito picks up that trait, then we have no way of killing it, even more scary is if that mosquito has Malaria, we have no way to kill it, that mosquito will spread, and so will malaria, Thats a problem. And basically the company's that are doing this have no one checking up on them to make sure that they are follwing the "rules" 1) Its such a fast developing field we don't know how to regulate it and 2) alot of the parent company's that are involved in this can be traced back to big oil company's, its alarming if you follow that trail, how many American companies can be traced to Proctor and Gamble, GE, etc, because of this they get the benefit of the doubt, and we are trusting them to watch themselves, which they are not.

I may have just giving a ridiculously complicated answer to a simple statement, but i have had this thing on my mind for so long, and its NEVER come up in a conversation with my friends LOL.


Why don't we just splice bananas and mangos? Someone call the Monsanto Company!

I'd love to chow down on a "banango" in the morning.

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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2006, 06:01:43 AM »
Yeah, the work that's been done in GMOs is unbelievable. I'm not sure if it was Monsanto, or a competitor, that was planning on an experiment involving adding a gene (from that fish you were talking about) to strwaberries, to keep them from dying in the cold. This would have been beneficial because of the percentage of the total strawberry crop that's lost each year to cold weather conditions (especially frost).

I think it was Greenpeace, or a similar group, that made a strong enough protest to persuade the company to discontinue the project. Some people will do anything to stand in the way of progress...

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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2006, 07:22:02 AM »
I am strongly against Genetically Modified Organisms.

Claims and Facts  about GMO's

The marketing of genetic engineering inspires visions of perfect health, long life, and miracle foods. The reality is that these claims are often completely unsubstantiated and sometimes simply wrong.

Claim: Genetic engineering is necessary to feed the world.

Fact: Hunger in the world is caused by poverty, by the simple inability to buy food, not by lack of supply.

Claim: Genetic engineering will help developing countries.

Fact: Biotech companies patent their seeds. To protect their investment, the farmers that use the seed sign a contract which prohibits saving, reselling, or exchanging seed. The family farms of the poorer nations depend on saved seed for survival. Biotech companies also patent other people's seeds, like basmati rice, neem, and quinoa, taking advantage of indigenous knowledge and centuries of selective breeding by small farmers without giving anything in return. The same companies, backed by the U.S. government, proposed to protect their seed patents through the terminator technology. A terminator seed will grow, but the seeds it produces are sterile. Any nation that buys such seeds will swiftly lose any vestige of agricultural self-sufficiency. Furthermore, genetically engineered seeds are designed for agribusiness farming, not for the capabilities of the small family farms of the developing nations. How are they to buy and distribute the required chemical inputs?

Claim: Genetic engineering will reduce the use of herbicides.

Fact: Genetic engineering develops crops with resistance to specific herbicides. For example, Roundup Ready(tm) crops survive spraying with RoundUp(tm). On the one hand, this allows the farmer to use more herbicide. On the other hand, this leads to herbicide-resistant weeds.

Claim: Genetic engineering will reduce the use of pesticides.

Fact: This claim is based on the sowing of crops genetically engineered to produce their own pesticides. Such crops produce the pesticide continuously in every cell. Some of these crops (the Bt potato, for example) are actually classified as pesticides by the EPA. The net outcome of sowing pesticide-producing crops is an vast increase in pesticides.

Claim: Genetic engineering is environmentally friendly.

Fact: The increased quantities of herbicides and pesticides noted above is one strike against this claim. Pollen from genetically engineered crops can be transferred to cultivated and wild relatives over a mile away. This threatens the future of organic crops. It can pass herbicide resistance genes from GE crops to weedy relatives, necessitating the development of more herbicides. Also, the huge areas of genetically identical crops will influence the evolution of local pests and wildlife, and through the food chain, the whole ecology.

Claim: Genetically engineered foods are just like natural foods.

Fact: There is no natural mechanism for getting insect DNA into potatoes or flounder DNA into tomatoes. Genetically engineered foods are engineered to be different from natural foods. Why else all the patents? This claim is empty sales talk.

Claim: Genetic engineering is simply an extension of traditional crossbreeding.

Fact: Crossbreeding cannot transfer genes across species barriers. Genetic engineering transfers genes between species that could never be crossbred. Also, crossbreeding lets nature manage the delicate activity of combining the DNA of the parents to form the DNA of the child. Genetic engineering shoots the new gene into the host organism without reference to any holistic principle at all.

Claim: Genetic engineering is safe.

Fact: Safety comes from accumulated experience. In the case of genetic engineering, there has not been the time or the public debate essential for accumulating sufficient experience to justify any broad claim to safety.

There is a vast domain of ignorance at the root of the technology:

The technique for inserting a DNA fragment is sloppy, unpredictable and imprecise.
The effect of the insertion on the biochemistry of the host organism is unknown.
The effect of the genetically engineered organism on the environment is unknown.
The effect of eating genetically engineered foods is unknown.
There is no basis for meaningful risk assessment.
There is no recovery plan in case of disaster.
It is not even clear who, if anyone, will be legally liable for negative consequences.
There is no consensus among scientists on the safety or on the risks associated with genetic engineering in agriculture. The international community is deeply divided on the issue. The claim to safety is a marketing slogan. It has no scientific basis.
 

 

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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2006, 01:34:05 PM »
That seems similar to something I read a while ago: http://www.safe-food.org/-issue/claims.html

I don't need to argue morals with you.
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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2006, 02:12:14 PM »
Asa we were thinking about the same thing, it turns out they were doing it with strawberries, not tomatoes.

Claims and Facts  about GMO's

The marketing of genetic engineering inspires visions of perfect health, long life, and miracle foods. The reality is that these claims are often completely unsubstantiated and sometimes simply wrong.

Claim: Genetic engineering is necessary to feed the world.

Fact: Hunger in the world is caused by poverty, by the simple inability to buy food, not by lack of supply.
 

 To address this, it is predicted that by the year 2050 there will be about 9 billion people on the Planet,(http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/img/worldpop.gif)  we are already using up most of the nutrients in the soil, and with deforestation, pollution, global warming, and The fact that houses are being built where they should not, farmland is quickly becoming a valued possesion. As time goes by it will be harded and harder to grow plants in their ideal conditions, so as humans have done throughout all time, we need to improvise and adapt to this problem. This is where GMO's come in we could grow strawberries farther north, and for longer, and increase the output enormously. The same with any food, the sky is the limit, we could modify plants to be more efficient in replenishing the soil with nutrients that way we can continue to use that soil, modify them so they stay riper longer, and we wouldn't have to worry about such large losses that occur during the shipping process or even to combine nutritional value. The only thing that really worries me about GMO's is the fact that we know SO little about the process I wouldn't go as far to say we know nothing about it (scientist splice organisms together all the time, using reporter genes etc) , but we don't understand it completely,  That may not seem like much of a problem, but partnered with the fact that companies are being very reckless, and basically lying saying they are meeting certain requirements, its extremely dangerous.  Personally i believe that GMO's will become a necessity, and the time until we will depend on them is directly linked to how much we are ruining our environment. And if these company's don't get their act together they could corrupt GMO's in peoples minds, so much so that people are completely against it, which would completely waste a terrific scientific breakthrough.

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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2006, 02:16:09 PM »
I don't need to argue morals with you.

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were you talking to me Asa? I don't follow you if you did because I was only trying to shed light on a topic and did nothing that could be taken as argumentative, snide or rude. If that was meant for someone else then just disregard this reply.



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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2006, 01:06:56 PM »
I'll take both thank you, and blueberries, strawberries, raspberries,  apples, oranges, lemons, limes, etc etc. Fruit is really good for your in genereal eat as much of variety as you can.

BTW last time I looked into the issue, lactic acid is not what causes you to be sore, its true that as fatigue increases lactic acid levels increase this correlation was once beleived to indicate causation. However now its been shown that that is not true, the feeling of fatigue and the increase in lactic acid are driven by other processes. Basicaly lactic acid is actually a substance that helps keep your muscles contracting when their fatigued, infact in studies of gymnasts the atheletes that produced the most lactic acid were the strongest most explosive performers. 
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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2006, 02:22:52 AM »
In the zone diet that many of those crossfit people follow bananas are supposed to be the least favorable carbohydrates cause it's so densely packed with sugars, but then, that's what giving you energy. I think it's a good source of energy if you eat it right before exercise, but you shouldn't just eat bananas all day...
I thought Gear was following the zone diet so he'll be able to elaborate I think..

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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2006, 05:17:12 AM »
I occasionally eat bananas, but like Bubblemaker says, they are sugar-packed, so I rarely eat more than half of one, and always balance it with some peanut-butter and a good protein source such as sliced turkey, some eggs or a protein shake.

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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2006, 10:56:35 AM »
The downside of eggs is their cholestrol right?

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Re: screw the mangos, eat a banana
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2006, 11:52:58 AM »
No, the downside would be saturated fat and arachidonic acid, but depending on what sources you are citing, both of these can be negligible in overall health. I would stand by "All things in moderation"...I don't eat 15 eggs a day, but I don't avoid them like the plague either ;)