Topic: Dash Vault Purposes?

[Austin Drueckhammer]

What I would like to understand is how is a dash vault "important" or "useful"?

[Nihility]

I like using it to create more forward momentum, IE small run up vault to drop. I think it works better for that personally. It is also good for linking vaults together, because it can be easier to get the foot placement correct. But the biggest use is that it is fun and looks cool.

[Jordan Bates]

I like using it to create more forward momentum, IE small run up vault to drop. I think it works better for that personally. It is also good for linking vaults together, because it can be easier to get the foot placement correct. But the biggest use is that it is fun and looks cool.

Yes, this pretty much

Also sometimes I like to do it just because it's a very soft and flowy move, taking minimal effort. But yeah doesn't have too many uses compared to the rest..

[Gareth EE Field]

dash kong is the fastest two vault combo, the dash is the fastest dismount, and how else would one dash bomb? oh, and if you pass through something feet first and there's an obstacle, seen it with my eyes. good for integrating psoas and lat. dorsi ... increasing what the traceur is capable of and confident in ...

And please someone from NYPK remember LastJump, "Dashes are only good for high obstacles ..."

[Conner McGillvray]

on my dash vault i almost always experience pain in my wrists like im jarring them to hard on the object im vaulting over, any advice?

[Gareth EE Field]

You've got to pull through. Get your kongs to where your hands fly back to ninja run position on exit, and speeds, and apply to dash. If your feet aren't high enough (or integrated, more importantly), you can't pull, you splat. Good luck, and rest sometimes.

[Conner McGillvray]

thanks!! i appreciate it

[Gene]

hmm, on that note, I've got a question. I can't remember where, but I've heard multiple comments that go along the lines of "dash vaults aren't parkour." one of these comments came from a parkour.net post, but it's not the only place where I've come across the idea. anybody have an idea on what that's all about?

[Sam Dutton]

Probably because they aren't as useful.

[Skinny]

Because of the way you jump into a dash, it can be one of the most powerful vaults you have.  It is simply a straight kick which is exactly how your legs move.  So if you have a lot of speed, drive your knee up and jump you can have a huge dash vault. 

Also, a (un)scientific note: There was a group of kids in my area doing a HS physics project trying to find the fastest vault.  Testing all of them with a stopwatch, they found dash to be the fastest.  Now for the unscientific part; this may have been because for most beginners a dash vault is kinda scary or more difficult so they could have just been running faster into it.  And of course the standard deviation of the stopwatch blah blah blah.  Not saying this is accurate, just something to think about.

[Gareth EE Field]

The fastest vault is bound to vary from person to person based on individual length-tension relationships.

[Jordan Bates]

hmm, on that note, I've got a question. I can't remember where, but I've heard multiple comments that go along the lines of "dash vaults aren't parkour." one of these comments came from a parkour.net post, but it's not the only place where I've come across the idea. anybody have an idea on what that's all about?

Saying a certain move is parkour or not parkour is incredibly silly. Any move can be used for parkour or non-parkour purposes..

[Conner McGillvray]

Saying a certain move is parkour or not parkour is incredibly silly. Any move can be used for parkour or non-parkour purposes..

Jordan knows whats up...

[Klope3]

Training in the gym recently, I found the dash to be incredibly useful in getting over higher, chest-height walls quickly. Since you kick your legs up in front of you, you can make yourself really tiny in the air, enabling you to get over higher stuff. And, of course, putting your hands down is what makes this legs-in-front motion possible, since it lets you counter the slight backward rotation caused by the kick upward.

Konging over the same chest-height wall often kills forward momentum (turning it into upward momentum) and takes more energy, whereas dash vault will get you higher with more ease, and you can push off the wall with your hands to make up for any forward momentum lost in the vertical jump.

[steve dahlin]

I only use dash vaults to go over high walls, generally if i can precision to a high wall i can skip my feet and dash vault it.

[Jesse Maggard]

i find the dash to kong the fastest way to clear two obstacles that are close together

[Dylan]

1.) dash is the most controlled dismount
2.) as with literally any movement:  body awareness.  even if you're "pure parkour" or whatever, it's not an excuse not to learn spins/"unnecessary stuffs."  every movement helps with control.  if you want to be really effective, you can't think in moves.. you need to be able to do everything you're capable of, and you need to be able to pull it out of your "bag of tricks' when you need it.  example.. i have a lofted bed, about 7 foot up.  one morning, i woke up because i leaned too far off in my sleep.  i was falling.  a backwards spin was the only way to save my neck from taking a 7 foot drop.  some would immediately be daunted by having a backflip forced upon them literally first thing in the morning, but hey, it can totally happen.. every movement can be useful, and it only takes one f#ck up to turn you into "ermahgerd mershed perterters".    remember, "we don't rise to the occasion, we descend to our level of training."
3.) if you can do a dash, you have a "full spectrum" on your feet first vaults.  learning lazies at all angles and neglecting dash is like learning all the different ways to do a simple/safety, but neglecting kongs.
4.) it's the best vault to do with a height-based running jump.  lazy or speed you have to jump sideways, and kongs you'd either have to punch hard as hell or do them split legged (which is quite awkward if you're looking for height,) and reverses you'd have to jump backwards (and f#ck that.  lol.)
5.) but if you ever need an excuse for progression, remind yourself that you never do.  one thing leads to another, and many things lead to control.  control leads to self-awareness, and self-awareness leads to a balanced life.  TRAIN.