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Offline Scott Eustice

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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2012, 07:38:16 PM »
Ah. My bad.

The pullups, pushups, and squats are more endurance goals, rather than strength ones, but if those are your goals, those are your goals.

By jumping squats, do you jump mean squat jumps where you squat and jump into the air, possibly tucking, or something like box jumps where you jump onto a box?

GTG sounds good for the non-running work, but you have it set up oddly. GTG is meant to be done every other day (I think) for all the GTG exercises. So every other day you would do GTG clapping pushups, pullups, and jumping squats. No sets on the other days.

Also, make sure that you are not maxing out every GTG set. You should be doing much less than your maximum reps for each GTG exercise.

The running is, in all likelihood, going to be much harder than the other goals. You are going to need to run pretty much every day. Running a mile for speed everyday is not going to help you as much as mixing up your run length and speed. will. If that is an all out mile, you'll burn out very fast.

What is your current mile time? How fast were you going during your daily mile?

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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2012, 05:02:58 AM »
Okay thanks. And yeah that's what a jumping squat is to me.

So all the exercises every other day then?

My current mile is anywhere between 8-9 min. I'm not very consistent yet I barely started running this week xD
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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2012, 05:16:19 AM »
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--Lower body endurance
--upper body strength

You don't want to be doing GTG then

And you'll want to be working in the about 3-8 rep range with your upper body to start building strength up in the appropriate progressions

Your goals don't match what you want to do... 20 clapping pushups is not strength that's endurance. It would be better to aim for something like 5 good handstand pushups if you can't do them.
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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2012, 05:36:06 AM »
So, you want to be endured enough to run 1 mile in about 6:30, and strong enough to do a feat of strength with your upper body?

I've been looking back at what you've been writing, and it just doesn't look like you have a specific direction that you want your training to go.

20 pull-ups-Endurance Goal
20 clapping push-ups-Endurance Goal
30 jumping squats-Endurance Goal
6-6:30 min mile-Endurance Goal

I'm cool with this...

--Lower body endurance
--upper body strength

...and then I get confused.

Do you understand the difference in strength and endurance?  I'm not trying to belittle you by any means, but what you're saying doesn't make sense to me.  Your goals are all endurance-related, so where does the "upper body strength" come in?
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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2012, 08:03:36 AM »
I'm real sorry for all the crap I'm causing guys, but I really don't know where to draw the line between strength and endurance. When should I start aiming for more difficult things? The most pull-ups I've ever done in a row is 16, that was about a year ago so you can tell I've been neglecting my training a bit xD I've lost some of it so the most I can do it around 13. My plan was to work my way up to 20 pull-ups then start training muscle-ups, but from what you've told me I guess simply training muscle-ups would be a better option? Am I starting to catch on to this stuff yet?  :-\

Likewise, my plan was to get the 20 push-ups down and then move on to one-armed push-ups or maybe tuck planches, but, again with what you guys have told me, it's better to simply start with the harder things, right? Or wrong?

To try and start getting things cleared up, would you say that my lower body goals (endurance) coincide well with what I hope to do (run a mile every day)?
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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2012, 11:44:07 AM »
If your final goal is strength (which tends to add endurance as well), then yes, begin to work on harder skills as soon as possible.  Once you can do 7-10 muscle ups consecutively, 20 pull-ups will probably seem easy.

The process of getting your mile time under 6:30 may require you to focus on getting your 400 meter, 1/4 and 1/2 mile times down.  It should bleed over from that point.

EDIT: ...but don't take my advice on running a mile.  Honestly, someone else here probably knows a lot more about it than I do.  The most I ever travel over land is 150 meters at a time, carrying a sandbag or doing a farmer's walk.  I don't know crap about running long distance.
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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2012, 01:31:54 PM »
So how do you suggest I organize my schedule?

Do I go for GTG exercises during the day? Or do I do a full-body routine (which to me implies that I go for a certain number of reps/sets; or am I wrong?) as Steve recommended?
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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2012, 02:30:02 PM »
I'd do exactly what Steven recommended.

Step 1: Take 2-3 days, focus those on upper-body strength work.  2-pushes 2-pulls.  Make them a progression, so you'll be getting stronger.  Endurance comes with strength, so kill both birds with a really big stone.
Step 2: On 2-3 other days, run Forrest, run.
Step 3:When you're feeling it, put in some parkour skill work.
Step 4: ?????
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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2012, 02:52:55 PM »
I'd do exactly what Steven recommended.

Step 1: Take 2-3 days, focus those on upper-body strength work.  2-pushes 2-pulls.  Make them a progression, so you'll be getting stronger.  Endurance comes with strength, so kill both birds with a really big stone.
Step 2: On 2-3 other days, run Forrest, run.
Step 3:When you're feeling it, put in some parkour skill work.
Step 4: ?????
...profit!

Okay so for pushing exercises I could do tuck planche push-ups (horizontal) and dips (vertical)
Pulling exercises would be muscle-ups (vertical) and.....hmm some sort of front lever progression (horizontal)?
Running exercises.....well obviously running right? xD
I like step 4 by the way ;P

So GTG or do I go for a comfortable number of reps for several sets?
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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2012, 04:20:42 PM »
I might be able to help with the running, although Steven might chew me out if I am wrong.

You don't really have the recovery or time to train as a full time runner if you plan to gain serious upper body strength. So you are limited in the number of days you can run.

Steven might not like, it, but I would suggest getting some base running in, where you can run around 3-4 miles at once at a comfortable, steady pace.

What is a good steady pace? You should be able to carry a strained conversation up as you run, not so easy that you can talk verbatim, but not so hard that you can only get a few words out in between gasps for air. For these runs, my team prefers to measure not in miles, but rather in minutes spent running. So I'll use that as a measure of steady base and recovery runs.

You should slowly build up to the point where you can run for 30-45 minutes at a steady pace any day of the week. Don't add more than an average of 5 minutes in any one week. So if you can run for 10 or 15 minutes now,  next week don't start running 25 minutes. You will get an overuse injury. The first month is where most of the overuse injuries begin, so take it slowly.

You should build up to  running at least 4 days a week. Not everyday should be a maximum length run. Mix it up. Sometimes go shorter and sometimes go faster. If you overlap your running with your strength training, do the strength training first and keep the running on the shorter side.

After a month of building a decent base, you can really start to get into some more speed work.

One or two of your weekly runs can turn into a tempo run, where you pick up the pace to the point where you can only get a few words you, like "I really *gasp* love *gasp* running!" Make sure that you run the day after the tempo runs, it helps work out some of the soreness that should occur.

You should also try running for 5 days a week if you can manage; the extra day can be a short recovery day, like a steady day that lasts maybe 20-25 min. This shouldn't tire you out, but actually make you feel better. Put it the day after one of the tempo runs.

Once every week or two you can add in a long run, if you really want to. This isn't necessary, but some runners think it helps them. A long run is slower than your average steady run, but about 10-15 minutes longer. This is not all that important for mile training, but if you want to try it and seem if it helps, go ahead.

After a week or two of getting used to the tempo runs, you can get into the fun stuff, like sprints and track work. You should work intervals from 400m to a full mile, much beyond that is not that useful unless you want to run longer distances. Keep the recovery time fairly short, around :30 to 1:30.

I really can't give you too many specifics on this, you could try a ladder (400m, 800m, 1200m, 1600m, 1200m, 800m, 400m), repeat 400s, 800s, or 1600s, I'm sure there are other workouts you can think of. These runs should be fast, but not all out. 400s should be at or above your mile pace, 800s at or below it, 1200s below, and 1600s well below.

If you actually plan to compete in a race, begin shorter sprint work (200 and 100 m sprints) 6 weeks before the race, and taper the intensity and volume off 2 weeks before the race.

This is the super basic plan that I think my high school track team follows. I'm pretty sure that it is more complicated than that, but its a general plan.

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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2012, 04:27:43 PM »
Once you come up with a running system, then I don't see an issue with your training the push/pull system.  That actually makes some sense.

If you can perform the full muscle-up, then dips aren't really necessary, as a MU is a combination of a pull->push.  If you can't perform the entire thing, explosive pull-ups for maximum height and deep dips are totally acceptable.

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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2012, 04:44:50 PM »
Okay so would running 10 min 5 times per week for a week, and adding 5 min a week for a month be good?

Also, if I can only perform one or two muscle-ups with good form in a row would it be a good idea to keep training with the muscle-ups? Or should I do those explosive pull-ups?
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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2012, 04:56:55 PM »
Not quite for the running, you should change up the length more.

Don't run the same distance / on the same path everyday. Mix it up. That way, the running becomes fun!

As an example, don't run for 10 minutes 5 days a week, run for 8 minutes twice, 10 minutes twice and 12 minutes once. Next week run for 8 minutes once, 10 twice, and 15 twice.

Don't follow that to the letter either. Just generally increase the mileage. You will go through time when you feel great, push yourself during those times. There will also be weeks where you feel crappy, so don't try and force yourself to progress a full 5 minutes those weeks.

I'll warn you, the first 3 weeks will probably feel pretty bad. Don't push yourself super hard for those weeks. If you can't quite make the 5 minute increases those first weeks, don't worry. even if you only add a few minutes, that is fine when you start out. After that, you should be ready to really start adding mileage.

I also made an error in my earlier post. I said that you need a month of base training. That should be at least a month. You probably won't need more than 6-7 weeks of running to build a solid base, but a month might be too quick. It all depends on how quickly your body responds to the running.

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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2012, 05:08:13 PM »
Ah okay thank you :) It's supposed to be a gradual thing then, got it haha. Yeah and I understand the thing about not pushing myself too hard. I used to have some sort of overuse injury from when I went a bit crazy with my training last year. The inside of my lower legs would hurt with the lightest touch xD I needed to rest them for 2 whole grueling months before I felt that I could train again xD I ain't going through that again  ;D
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Re: Is my training schedule acceptable?
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2012, 11:52:31 AM »
Did you read this link?

It basically walks you through constructing a routine towards strength and/or hypertrophy

http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/03/the-fundamentals-of-bodyweight-strength-training/

I posted it on the first page.
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