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Could it be parkour?
« on: June 12, 2012, 04:48:04 AM »
Last weekend, I saw a very talented surfer making a backflip from his board. This makes me wonder about what can and what can not be considered as parkour. I would like to have your personnal definitions of what is parkour and freerunning. ???

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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2012, 12:54:43 PM »
You may want to search for this instead of asking. It tends to lead to a lot of stupid redundant arguments. Or, search the web, watch interviews and come up with your own definition of Parkour. Me personally, I try not to use the words "Parkour" or "Freerunning" in my own training anymore.

But, surfing is definitely of the same spirit as what we do. Freedom, Movement, Self reliance, Fun
David Belle once robbed a bank and left all the money on the Roof. He just wanted to prove that he could overcome any "Vault"..

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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2012, 02:14:37 PM »
eeh, you have the wrong definition of parkour if you see a flip on a surfboard parkour.

that likes saying tumbling is parkour, or gymnastics in that matter.

of course, this is all opinion based, so here's some help for you to decide yourself:

http://americanparkour.com/learn/faq-english/221-what-is-parkour
http://americanparkour.com/learn/articles/philosophy/4496-parkour-is-a-philisophical-look



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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2012, 02:20:53 PM »
Thank you very much! I think I will relly on wikipedia once again!

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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 05:37:11 AM »
eeh, you have the wrong definition of parkour if you see a flip on a surfboard parkour.

that likes saying tumbling is parkour, or gymnastics in that matter.

of course, this is all opinion based, so here's some help for you to decide yourself:

http://americanparkour.com/learn/faq-english/221-what-is-parkour
http://americanparkour.com/learn/articles/philosophy/4496-parkour-is-a-philisophical-look



Take a look at these, and ask yourself the question you just asked us.

I'm not saying it is Parkour, just that the desire to better ones self through movement and overcoming of fear or obstacles comes from the same spirit of parkour. Different paths through the same forest, if you will.
David Belle once robbed a bank and left all the money on the Roof. He just wanted to prove that he could overcome any "Vault"..

"Those who lack the Courage will always find a Philosophy to justify it" -Camus

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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2012, 09:34:10 PM »
in all honesty, to anybody but the true practicioners of PARKOUR (meaning traceurs who focus on the sole purpose of practical parkour and nothing else.... ) Parkour is dead... and freerunning killed it.  take any random person you may meet who has hear of "parkour"  and they will babble about flips and non-sense.  im not sure who will agree with me, but this is part of my personal stance on what has become of parkour

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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2012, 11:00:07 PM »
in all honesty, to anybody but the true practicioners of PARKOUR (meaning traceurs who focus on the sole purpose of practical parkour and nothing else.... ) Parkour is dead... and freerunning killed it.  take any random person you may meet who has hear of "parkour"  and they will babble about flips and non-sense.  im not sure who will agree with me, but this is part of my personal stance on what has become of parkour


tricking* killed it, parkour and freerunning are just the same thing. If you are saying freerunning killed parkour, you are saying Americans killed parkour.
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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2012, 08:32:57 AM »
americans altered parkour... that is true, and i agree with you as well :)

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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2012, 11:55:00 AM »
agreed court dismissed  :)

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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2012, 01:17:55 PM »
haha :)

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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2012, 12:10:29 PM »
Parkour = EXACTLY what David Belle's father verbally explained and teached him. Very particular training method. David explained this at his facebook page aswell as in the PhD research ''Ciné parkour''.

Freerunning = A name used to first translate parkour duing the development of Jump London. Then Sébastien Foucan kept using the term out of respect for David NOT because it was separate. It's parkour but not as particular, hardcore and strict (I do not by any sense say that freerunning is some sort of undefined practise). It fosters exactly the same values, principles, and share the same history. Both David and Seb was training with the other seven Yamakasi guys during over a decade and together, piece by piece, they created something by training together and sharing ideas.  Then they realized they had different reasons for doing it... and different names got created.

Then what people in Red Bull competitions, or on the internet in general, say does not matter. The truth is out there and anyone who i willing can study it. The whole ''freerunning is parkour with acrobatics'' debate is irrelevant and is not true in any sense. Acrobatics has nothing to do with it.
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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2013, 02:15:37 AM »
I think he's saying Freerunning killed the Term Parkour
The way Youtube and most news media out there portrays 'parkour' is that parkour and freerunning are the same thing and the term can be used interchangeably.
I don't think it's worth arguing over, and Tricking definitely didn't kill parkour
but If i ever mean 'parkour' i just call it 'pure parkour' now 
I like Tricking and Free Running, i don't think i actually do parkour, because i do it for fun and self expression, which would change the term to free running.

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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2013, 09:17:30 AM »
What matters is the philosophy behind it.

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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2013, 02:03:53 PM »
Parkour is more than just a philosophy. The mind set is of course part of it, but it's not the only thing that matters.

Also, a back flip while surfing? That's awesome!

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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 10:23:04 AM »
Parkour is more than just a philosophy. The mind set is of course part of it, but it's not the only thing that matters.

I know that it is more than just a philosophy and that it means much more. However, as far as the physical aspect goes there really is no difference between the two. Furthermore, in my opinion the only thing that separates Parkour and Freerunning, like many other things, is its philosophy or "mind set."

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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2013, 03:36:49 PM »
I wasn't talking about parkour compared to freerunning, just in general. I prefer to avoid that whole debate since the two are so closely linked

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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2013, 03:44:07 PM »
Look what you started maldoure. Anyway, when you see someone flip, any kind of flip, they are tricking. Call me a hater, but parkour is not about showing off in any way, shape or form. If the flip was the fastest way down a ledge or up a ledge or across a field, then it is parkour, but when people do parkour these days they add in their own mixture of tricking. Have you ever seen a jump to anywhere that could have been faster with a flip in it?
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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2013, 01:25:58 AM »
Look what you started maldoure. Anyway, when you see someone flip, any kind of flip, they are tricking. Call me a hater, but parkour is not about showing off in any way, shape or form. If the flip was the fastest way down a ledge or up a ledge or across a field, then it is parkour, but when people do parkour these days they add in their own mixture of tricking. Have you ever seen a jump to anywhere that could have been faster with a flip in it?

Really?

What is David Belle then?

A traceur? A tricker? A gymnast? A martial artist?

Because acrobatics, and movements such as palmspin, have been used since the early 90s by all of the founders. Training with lack of food and water is not efficient, sleeping on the floor is not efficient, doing handstands is not efficient, practising self-defense is not efficient, interacting with the environment is often not efficient, doing conditioning drills is not efficient, stretching is not efficient, playing is not efficient, eating is not efficient, sleeping is not efficient..in terms of moving from A to B in the fastest way possible.

Its true that parkour or freerunning is not about showing off, and acrobatics is a completely separate dicipline, but claiming that just because someone is doing a backflip, then it isn't parkour, is like saying that doing a kong isn't parkour. And it is true. Because parkour isn't simply the act of doing a kong or a backflip. That is why I think its important not to label to much and put it in different boxes. I think its important to look at it as a whole. It is a training method and a specific way of thinking.
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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2013, 05:24:01 AM »
Very well put!

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Re: Could it be parkour?
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2013, 05:36:01 AM »
I am trying to say that when putting parkour into practice, flips are not efficient. while training for parkour flip all you want, but while putting it into practice during a race or to get somewhere in a certain time flips are not parkour. Kongs are very efficient when done correctly, by the way.
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