Topic: Traceurs seemingly ahead of Police.

[Jordan Strybos]

Just think of this: One day our liberties and rights will run dry. Those who refuse to fight for them (Disobey) will be no better then the line walking Robots the powers that be want you to be. Just saying.

What makes you say that one day our liberties and rights will run dry?

[Jason C. Astor]

To put it very simply- History. Look at the past, look at the end of all great civilizations. Now go back 10-20 years before they fell; now look deeply into our present. All good things come to an end; and, America is unfortunately not in-failable.

We as a people have had it very good for too long. People have gotten lazy and blind to corruption. The Romans didn't realize, or care, they were getting screwed until Caligula started rolling peoples heads (litterally)
Our rights are slowly being pulled from us. The constitution is constantly being loop-holed, taxes and fees are constantly going up (the impoverished can't fight back)

Study your history. Our world is not much different now then it was 200 years ago. Little more round and a lot more silicon but that's really it. People are still stupid and sheepish. And people are still greedy.

Unless some things pull a complete 360; we are all in for a wake up call. Parkour will very helpfull when it happens

[Tom Heyl]

Parkour saves the day!!!

Honestly though, I don't think the principles of parkour are going to stop the hatred moving throughout the world.

Now, onto the note with cops. 

There is no reason to run, if you walk right up to them confidently and talk to them they won't harass you.  If you walk up to them expecting to be harassed, or harassing them, you will be harassed.

The cop might just look at you and think you're a criminal, but he's a lot more likely to think that if you run.

[gravity]

Parkour saves the day!!!

Honestly though, I don't think the principles of parkour are going to stop the hatred moving throughout the world.

Now, onto the note with cops. 

There is no reason to run, if you walk right up to them confidently and talk to them they won't harass you.  If you walk up to them expecting to be harassed, or harassing them, you will be harassed.

The cop might just look at you and think you're a criminal, but he's a lot more likely to think that if you run.

i wish that was true but what about rodney king if he had run and escaped he might still be alive today

[Conrad Moser]

Rodney King is still alive...

[Alec Furtado]

What makes you say that one day our liberties and rights will run dry?

To put it very simply- History. Look at the past, look at the end of all great civilizations. Now go back 10-20 years before they fell; now look deeply into our present. All good things come to an end; and, America is unfortunately not infallible.

We as a people have had it very good for too long. People have gotten lazy and blind to corruption. The Romans didn't realize, or care, they were getting screwed until Caligula started rolling peoples heads (literally)
Our rights are slowly being pulled from us. The constitution is constantly being loop-holed, taxes and fees are constantly going up (the impoverished can't fight back)

Study your history. Our world is not much different now then it was 200 years ago. Little more round and a lot more silicon but that's really it. People are still stupid and sheepish. And people are still greedy.

Unless some things pull a complete 360; we are all in for a wake up call. Parkour will very helpful when it happens

He's completely correct, at least on a basic level. Most people probably would say no if they were asked if the United States will exist for a million years as a country. Obviously then, the US will collapse at some time. But, will it last 10 more years? 100? 10,000? Who knows. Also, if there is a collapse, it's easy to posit that it won't be on a happy note. We won't just be bored of existing as a country and dissolve it. There'll be some crazy sh#t going on, and lost of rights/liberty will surely be a part of it. After all, those are only guaranteed by a protective [governing] body. It could be conquered in the next 10,000 years as far as we know (rights may or may not disappear in this case, but they'd probably change).

There's much to be seen on the rest of his argument, though, but I'm sure we all know what he's talking about in regards to that.


Back on topic:
I know some people have worked with the military on parkour training and techniques... I can't see why the police wouldn't do the same. Does anybody know of any active sport, activity, or fighting style where the person stays on their heels? As far as Rafes's point about the shoe type being the deciding factor, does anybody know what the military teaches? I'm sure their boots have some extra heel too.

[gravity]

Rodney King is still alive...

thats good guess i need to read up on my history but the point was that the police aren't always fair

[jaycee]

As far as Rafes's point about the shoe type being the deciding factor, does anybody know what the military teaches? I'm sure their boots have some extra heel too.

I'm "only" in the Air Force, but when we did obstacle courses and such at OTS, they didn't much care how we got over things as long as we got over them and didn't hurt ourselves in the process.

[DevintheNinja]

I'm "only" in the Air Force, but when we did obstacle courses and such at OTS, they didn't much care how we got over things as long as we got over them and didn't hurt ourselves in the process.

fyi your ots obstacle course was a joke waaaay to easy as well as the air force obstacle course in lackland

[jaycee]

fyi your ots obstacle course was a joke waaaay to easy as well as the air force obstacle course in lackland

Haters gonna hate.

[Jason C. Astor]

Yeah, when running in full BDU, you can afford to land on your heel a little. Combat boots are designed to absorb pressure from impact. As well, except for obstical courses and training, you're not doing much jumping and landing in combat scenerios. Cops wear a pretty simple shoe that won't really defend against heel strikes

[Alec Furtado]

Yeah, when running in full BDU, you can afford to land on your heel a little. Combat boots are designed to absorb pressure from impact. As well, except for obstical courses and training, you're not doing much jumping and landing in combat scenerios. Cops wear a pretty simple shoe that won't really defend against heel strikes

Reading this post, it seems to me that you might not understand the concept of padding in shoes? It's a paradox really. The idea to put extra padding to absorb impact seems sound at first but it doesn't have the effect we'd imagine. This is because we innately tend to put more pressure down in order to increase our sensitivity of the ground. As a result, while there is padding, we are actually pushing down into that padding much harder than we ever would normally. Thus, the paradox is that we can actually do more damage to ourselves when there is more padding on our feet. (if that is what you understand, just ignore me )

[Jason C. Astor]

As a barefoot/vff runner I understand the Paradox your talking about. What I meant by it was that in comparison to running in a tennis shoe or dress shoe, where force travels up through the shoe and into your legs, Combat Boots have Hard soles and padding inside the shoe which "somewhat" disperses  that kinetic energy. As well, the added ankle support allows for a more stability. I'm not saying it's good, I'm just saying if you are gonna heel strike it might as well be in combat boots. I understand though that this will still cause damage.

I think that the whole point of the flat foot or heel landing is based on "I don't care if you're ruining your body. Just last 4 years"

[Andy Keller]

thats good guess i need to read up on my history but the point was that the police aren't always fair

Yeah... He fled the police, resisted arrest, assaulted officers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King

[Adam McC]

Did I ever say anything about committing crime? I just like to run away from police officers after making eye contact with them. It's a fun hobby.

Yes, actually. Because evading an officer on foot is a crime. A class "A" misdemeanor, to be exact. [Penal Code Section 12.21, punishable by up to a year in jail or $4,000] Even before they arrest you. Merely under suspicion. And beyond that, it's also kina stupid.

Thanks, bro. I'll work a little harder now to try to help people to understand Parkour is a legitimate discipline that has respectful and mature individuals practicing it, who use the art for the betterment of themselves and others. I'll try not to mention you to avoid confusion.

[Zach]

I'm not a police officer, but just to play devil's advocate, it's entirely possible that there's a reason they do that... ie, that the risks of injuring yourself are outweighed by the risks of landing off-balance when you're chasing a guy with a weapon.

Well for one if you consistently land on your heels your knees are gonna be like the knees of a 100 year old man in no time, and two, i think you easily keep MORE balance landing on the balls of your feet because slapping out and then continuing to run is faster then landing flat footed then shifting your weight forward to run.
just my opinion

[Conrad Moser]

It might also depend on the kind of gear that a police officer (or soldier) is wearing or holding and how it may affect their balance and agility. a tool belt with pistol, Maglite, cuffs, spray, etc., kevlar vest, radio, flashlight and what have you may make it difficult to land properly or slap out.

[Kyle Rudolph]

Yes, actually. Because evading an officer on foot is a crime. A class "A" misdemeanor, to be exact. [Penal Code Section 12.21, punishable by up to a year in jail or $4,000] Even before they arrest you. Merely under suspicion. And beyond that, it's also kina stupid.

Thanks, bro. I'll work a little harder now to try to help people to understand Parkour is a legitimate discipline that has respectful and mature individuals practicing it, who use the art for the betterment of themselves and others. I'll try not to mention you to avoid confusion.

Evading? Lolololol. What am I evading him for? I just decided to go for a spontaneous jog as far as I'm concerned.

[John George 'JG']

If you feel your life is threatened, run by all means. However, if that fear comes from the people that are meant to preserve your society, then you have a problem on your hands, my friend.

[steve dahlin]

Cops stopped me twice for running while wearing dark clothing at night!
The first time i was wearing a white shirt too (with black sweat pants) =(
i ran from my friends house to my house, and ran from the train station to my house
Walking is very slow and annoys me how much longer it takes, when i can put a tiny bit more energy and get to my destination much faster.