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Offline Ryan "Loveless" Courtney

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Re: Should I delete my videos?
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2012, 07:10:26 PM »
The way I see parkour tutorials is like history. You can't do something that you know nothing about and be expected to learn it COMPLETELY on your own. Tutorials aren't for someone to hold your hand through something, but they're ways to share methods or techniques which have been thought to be most effective by the person recording the tutorial.

The reason I said tutorials are like history is because through history, we can study those before us and learn from mistakes and lead the right path without always having to suffer grave consequences. Imagine if we had never learnt about WWII in school. We would not know that it was a catastrophe that ended the lives of millions, and it could be very likely through this ignorance that it could happen again. Basically, tutorials shouldn't and aren't meant to hold your hand through the whole process and allow you to cheat. Specifically in parkour, REMEMBER: There are NO RULES. We're not following any strict process in our training that dictates whether we're allowed to do only flow on Monday, flips on Wednesday, etc, etc. The tutorials, if they hold your hand at all, can only allow one the idea of what you're SUPPOSED to do until you decide yourself to go outside and do it yourself.

They're not shortcuts. They're not ways to cheat.
What if a sixteen year old girl was never told the story of how her grandmother had gotten pregnant at that age with her mother, and how she had to spend years all by herself to take care of the baby? What would happen then, is the girl supposed to suffer the same fate just because it was a "shortcut" and she has to learn through personal experience? How about the advice everyone gives on here about drops? Are we not supposed to hold their hands and say "Don't take that drop, you'll ruin your knees" and thus allow them to live the rest of their lives in pain?

The important part is that this is MY OPINION AND THOUGHTS when the senior members say: Go find out yourself. I believe that's directed towards the few who need to know every bit and piece of every vault, and who ask at what point should you inhale and exhale in a kong vault. I believe they want you to go explore your own limits, but there's nothing wrong with asking/looking for help.

I +1'd this, but that wasn't near enough. Beautiful response Nick.

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Re: Should I delete my videos?
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2012, 10:58:57 PM »
The reason I said tutorials are like history is because through history, we can study those before us and learn from mistakes and lead the right path without always having to suffer grave consequences. Imagine if we had never learnt about WWII in school. We would not know that it was a catastrophe that ended the lives of millions, and it could be very likely through this ignorance that it could happen again. Basically, tutorials shouldn't and aren't meant to hold your hand through the whole process and allow you to cheat. Specifically in parkour, REMEMBER: There are NO RULES. We're not following any strict process in our training that dictates whether we're allowed to do only flow on Monday, flips on Wednesday, etc, etc. The tutorials, if they hold your hand at all, can only allow one the idea of what you're SUPPOSED to do until you decide yourself to go outside and do it yourself.
If it was really like history you would know that it's always written by the winners, mortification here.

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Re: Should I delete my videos?
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2012, 12:52:07 AM »
Anyways, even as long as I've practiced I wouldn't make a tutorial, and I'll tell you why. I LOVE to help others, I do not like feeling responsible for other's stupidity. If somebody has to mimic my hand-spring/cork-screw vault to learn it, then they're not learning anything, they're doing what parrots do... mimic. Which is why when I type something, you can't see how I did the reverse vault, only take the vivid description, and apply it, which is exactly what learning is.

I learned the good old-fashioned way, word-of-mouth. I was so desperate to learn new techniques and movements I got online, hit up chatrooms, and networked with other entusiasts. I listened to what they had to say, I visualised the stuff they said, I imagined doing it, I memorised it even. Seven years later I'm doing all of these movements, and the ones I don't even know the names of I give names to so I have a method to referrence them. If all people care about is making/taking short-cuts they're not skilled, they're cheaters. You make a short-cut you cheat somebody out of experiences, if you take a short-cut you cheat yourself out of experience. Rant much? f#ck yes, I'll rant the shit out of you for cheating, you don't have to be smart to cheat, just a complete loser.

Let's put it this way, you're not learning things when you mimic, you learn things when you figure them out yourself, that's why senior board members say, "go out and figure it yourself," "go train," "shut-up," "stop asking so many damn questions and try it."

I completely disagree.
If you prefer auditory learning, great for you (and I'm including written descriptions as well when I say that). But visual learning --imitating what we see-- is not cheating. Mimicry is one of the few instincts humans are born with; the real "good old fashion way" of learning. Babies/kids learn so much so fast because they mimic what they see, not because we vividly describe everything to them. I mean, go ahead and try to teach a kid how to tie their shoes by just describing it... It's just not how most of us are programmed to learn. By your definition, a world-record holding runner (or I guess everyone, really) isn't skilled, he's a cheater because he learned how to walk and run by imitating his parents, and his parents cheated him by showing him instead of just describing it. You have to agree that's ludicrous... He's not a cheater, he mimicked to learn and then made running his own by working at it.

I agree with Nick. Tutorials aren't meant to be the beginning and end. It's not a cheat sheet for a test so we can avoid learning (It's actually kind of impossible for Parkour to work like that. Seeing a move broken down into parts doesn't magically imbue us with ability to do it. We still have to figure out how to use our bodies). Tutorials are another opportunity and tool to learn from, and we're SUPPOSED to then internalize and make the movements our own. There is little to no difference between taking a vivid description and applying and taking a vivid image and applying it. Except that the majority of people learn best through example.

And incidentally, some of the senior board members that tell people to go train have made tutorials themselves. Adam McC of Urban Current, for example. And again, like Nick said, the ones being told to "Stop asking so many damn questions and try it" are not the ones who watch the tutorial a couple times then go apply it themselves as the tutorials were intending for them to do. They're the ones who keep asking question after question and never trying anything. In fact, they're the ones who are trying to get more and more vivid and detailed descriptions. Their unwillingness to just go try it is completely unrelated to the fact that they watched a tutorial.
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Re: Should I delete my videos?
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2012, 05:34:43 AM »
To answer the OP, yes.

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Re: Should I delete my videos?
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2012, 03:48:02 PM »
i say keep your old parkour vids. there are old videos of me i made that i absolutely hate because of how much of a newb i looked. but i keep them as a reminder of how i am progressing.

keep them cuz one day when we are all professionals other people can look at our old videos and say "hey he was a newb once, maybe someday i could be like him."

This is the link to my first parkour video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceAEAT2ZeUk
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Re: Should I delete my videos?
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2012, 07:12:24 PM »
That video's actually pretty awesome for one month of training. I already regret not recording the VERY beginning of my training because I have no idea what I was like as opposed to a little while later. Want to set up all my video stuff on my YouTube account, but I realized that I never actually train outside, LOL. Time to learn tricking or flips so there's something to do in the big mounds of grass outside.
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Re: Should I delete my videos?
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2012, 10:11:00 AM »
Has nobody realized I already deleted all of my videos?
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Re: Should I delete my videos?
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2012, 10:48:23 AM »
Has nobody realized I already deleted all of my videos?
I assumed you already did...

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Re: Should I delete my videos?
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2012, 06:43:48 PM »
Has nobody realized I already deleted all of my videos?

Yea, I did. What was the point of all this then?
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Re: Should I delete my videos?
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2012, 08:32:43 PM »
Yea, I did. What was the point of all this then?
well ya your right lock time :P
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