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Offline kidzymarvel

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Please follow and read the link posted.
« on: November 22, 2011, 05:22:19 PM »
For those who favour one side of their body in parkour please read the link:

http://parkourpedia.com/other/no-favourites
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Re: Please follow and read the link posted.
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 06:24:41 PM »
I feel like if i'm practicing kongs off my weaker leg, i'm wasting time i could be practicing kongs off my stronger leg. The only reason i trained my 'dark side' (tricker term for non favored side) for kongs, dash vaults, and speed vaults, were to teach people that do them that way.
more practical moves to learn on your dark side are lazy vaults and tic tacs, because i run into situations where i need to tic tac/lazy vault on my dark side often.
I like Tricking and Free Running, i don't think i actually do parkour, because i do it for fun and self expression, which would change the term to free running.

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Re: Please follow and read the link posted.
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 07:41:12 PM »
Keep in mind that this is my opinion, but I would like to correct you on the part in which you said it is more practical to learn the lazy and the tic tac because you run into situations where you need those certain movements isn't really practical. It is only laziness. I too only practiced tic tacs/lazy vault but only because it was easy to do them on the opposite leg (this is my reason and perhaps yours? Or perhaps not?). It is not practical in anyway what so ever to only use certain body parts for certain movements. So ask yourself, if Parkour is about efficiency then in what way is that being efficient?
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Re: Please follow and read the link posted.
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2011, 09:42:33 AM »
I honestly don't think it matters what leg you practice your kong off, because it really won't make a difference in a situation. But for things like speed vaults or tic tacs where you rely on one hand or foot, that's something that you should practice. But even still, speed vaults are still going in one direction and probably the only reason you'd want to be able to use both hands is if you don't want to kick someone with your legs on one side.

Great, so we're back to lazy and tic tac. :P
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Re: Please follow and read the link posted.
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2011, 12:51:21 PM »
It's important to start off more comfortably, which is why favoured sides become the fall-back point for some traceurs, it's instinctive to do what makes one feel good. I favour my right arm and left leg for stability, but I get more power from my left side. No favourites is a good slogan to live by if you're a parent or a well-seasoned traceur, but you will always have a favoured side. Much like a drunk, once an alcoholic always. There will always be that little bit of you that wants to use one side over the other.

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Re: Please follow and read the link posted.
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2011, 02:48:00 AM »
Keep in mind that this is my opinion, but I would like to correct you on the part in which you said it is more practical to learn the lazy and the tic tac because you run into situations where you need those certain movements isn't really practical. It is only laziness. I too only practiced tic tacs/lazy vault but only because it was easy to do them on the opposite leg (this is my reason and perhaps yours? Or perhaps not?). It is not practical in anyway what so ever to only use certain body parts for certain movements. So ask yourself, if Parkour is about efficiency then in what way is that being efficient?

well you need to train your bad side lazy vault and tic tacs, because the objects you are ticking off/vaulting of will be on your left side or right side, when doing kongs, speed vaults, dash vaults, wall runs, the object will always be in front of you, and instead of training to take off your bad leg, you should be training to adjust your stride length to always be able to take off your dominant leg.
I like Tricking and Free Running, i don't think i actually do parkour, because i do it for fun and self expression, which would change the term to free running.

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Re: Please follow and read the link posted.
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2011, 09:16:51 AM »
well you need to train your bad side lazy vault and tic tacs, because the objects you are ticking off/vaulting of will be on your left side or right side, when doing kongs, speed vaults, dash vaults, wall runs, the object will always be in front of you, and instead of training to take off your bad leg, you should be training to adjust your stride length to always be able to take off your dominant leg.

Good job, explaining it way better than me :P
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Re: Please follow and read the link posted.
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2011, 11:56:19 PM »
why not do both? Train so you can adjust your stride to take off both legs and train taking off with both legs. :P

Sure it's not extremely important, but what if you had gotten water on the bottom of your shoe and it was slick and needed to use your other foot?

Really though, the likely hood of needing to use the other foot is low, but still why not be the best you can be.

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Re: Please follow and read the link posted.
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2011, 07:20:40 PM »
but still why not be the best you can be.
because you can be better if you stack your training on one side, instead of sacrificing time training on your good side to get your bad side up to par with your good side.
I like Tricking and Free Running, i don't think i actually do parkour, because i do it for fun and self expression, which would change the term to free running.

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2011, 10:23:28 PM »
You should still have a "favorite" in most cases, but should also be comfortable using both sides. At least that's what I think would be the best.

because you can be better if you stack your training on one side, instead of sacrificing time training on your good side to get your bad side up to par with your good side.

I agree with you to an extent. Like I said it's fine to devote most time to one side, but what about that one instance where you are in a position where it's easier to to the move the other way. After all- for example, 20 minutes of practicing speed vaults off your non-normal leg will be much greater improvement than 20 mins using your regular leg. So you might as well spend a bit of time getting it comfortable on both legs, but then proceed to spend the majority of time doing it your regular way to get best at that.

Anyone else see it that way?

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Re: Please follow and read the link posted.
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2011, 02:23:12 AM »
What's the deadline?
10 push ups.

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2011, 09:43:28 AM »
After all- for example, 20 minutes of practicing speed vaults off your non-normal leg will be much greater improvement than 20 mins using your regular leg. So you might as well spend a bit of time getting it comfortable on both legs, but then proceed to spend the majority of time doing it your regular way to get best at that.

Anyone else see it that way?

Well, that would be pretty useful at a point where you've already got the technique burned into your head doing a speed vault on your regular leg. So by practicing the vault on your opposite side you'd be making more out of your time because it's something that actually challenges you and has more room for improvement. Along with that, it's just an added bonus that you can take off from either leg.
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2011, 10:16:24 AM »
My argument still stays the same and I see that no one has answered my question yet. How is it efficient to only be able to use one side of your body for certain things, rather than your whole body?
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Re: Please follow and read the link posted.
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2011, 02:28:23 PM »
My argument still stays the same and I see that no one has answered my question yet. How is it efficient to only be able to use one side of your body for certain things, rather than your whole body?
If you train wall runs with your preferred side for 2 years, compared to training wall runs on your good side for one year, then on your bad side for 1 year, you will have higher wall runs training it on your preferred side for 2 years. Your limits will be higher, making everything easier.
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2011, 05:29:57 PM »
Is it really necessary to roll over both shoulders? If you're going forwards anyway, you should be able to adjust to roll over your preferred shoulder regardless of angle. Side rolls should be practiced, but those dictate which shoulder you start with anyway right?

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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2011, 09:27:44 PM »
Is it really necessary to roll over both shoulders? If you're going forwards anyway, you should be able to adjust to roll over your preferred shoulder regardless of angle. Side rolls should be practiced, but those dictate which shoulder you start with anyway right?

If anything, rolls should be the one thing you should learn to do on both sides IMO.

I rarely have instances where I need to use rolls, but out of the few I've done I've noticed some needed to be done on a particular side because of my angle/body position/whatever else.

Plus rolls aren't just a "move", they're a safety technique, so you should really know how to use it in any situation.

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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2011, 10:19:31 PM »
What do you mean by deadline? Ryan?
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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2011, 03:13:52 PM »
Well we're talking about getting better faster so we only practice on one side. What's the deadline that we're trying to meet? You know because we need to get better faster. Where is the deadline?
10 push ups.

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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2011, 03:17:41 PM »
Clever Ryan.
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2011, 12:43:52 PM »
Well, in my opinion, I don't think there is a such thing as a deadline when it comes to Parkour because isn't the goal of it is to always improve? =O
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