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Offline Mark Toorock

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Course Design for Speed Courses
« on: August 15, 2011, 10:38:10 AM »
I feel that both Seattle and Denver did a great job in designing their courses this year, but I'm sure there are also suggestions and collaboration on how they can be improved...
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Re: Course Design for Speed Courses
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2011, 08:39:50 AM »
I think PK competitions have two distinct variations as far as course design. APEX and Visions demonstrate the indoor, purpose-built courses and Jump City: Seattle demonstrated the outdoor, minimally altered courses. Personally I prefer the latter whenever possible; obviously weather can be an issue but I think it adds to real-world adaptability we all covet.

For instance, at many Philly jams we have a challenge called "The Rocky Challenge". It involves starting at the top of the famous Art Museum steps from the Rocky movies and, following the large granite blocks along the edges of the fountains, making your way down to street level and back again. Here's a picture for reference.


We consider the challenge accomplished if you do it in under a minute. Some of the best times recorded so far are around 40sec and I can tell you, after doing this challenge myself several times, it absolutely wrecks you physically. The point of all this is that I think competitions should take place on the areas we train in already. It might give locals an advantage but I'd much prefer the unique identity of these courses over the barely changing ones like Art of Motion. A little addition like a scaffold or a box or two is fine, but there can be too much of a good thing.

Also, Philly Art Museum offers a perfect place to test precision/striding. Just check out the small bullet-shaped pillars that line the front. Perfect to time somebody going to the museum entrance and back, maybe even tack it on to the original Rocky Challenge.

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Re: Course Design for Speed Courses
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2011, 08:53:47 AM »
APEX and Visions demonstrate the indoor, purpose-built courses and Jump City: Seattle demonstrated the outdoor, minimally altered courses. Personally I prefer the latter whenever possible; obviously weather can be an issue but I think it adds to real-world adaptability we all covet.

This year's Parkour Visions Invitational was held outside at Gasworks park and it went very well.
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Re: Course Design for Speed Courses
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2011, 08:56:27 AM »
This year's Parkour Visions Invitational was held outside at Gasworks park and it went very well.

I did not know that, thanks for the clarification. I've only seen the indoor course videos that Rafe linked to, I thought the outdoor ones only showed a jam.

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Re: Course Design for Speed Courses
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2011, 09:19:39 AM »
The three courses at Gassworks were great.

As for Jumpo City, it may not be quite as minimal as you may think - certain every day objects may have been moved or brought in to create more diverse courses ;)

I do like the idea of natural courses - they are just fewer and further between and harder to get permission to use for even a semi-organized event, but hopefully we'll get there.


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Re: Course Design for Speed Courses
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2011, 11:42:04 AM »
Yeah, I feel like the outdoors ones are cool but definitely not practical for smaller comps with limited funding. You can probably still get away with them at some parks without a permit, but it will eventually bite you in the ass due to legality.

And I also agree that even most outdoors courses would require modifications and additional obstacles to spice them up. Those are cool challenges Gabe but I wouldn't find it particularly compelling to watch competitors run the same course with 30 of the same strides and 10 of the same wall passes.

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Re: Course Design for Speed Courses
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2011, 05:52:12 PM »
Those are cool challenges Gabe but I wouldn't find it particularly compelling to watch competitors run the same course with 30 of the same strides and 10 of the same wall passes.

i agree to a point, but its almost guaranteed that if you have a bunch of traceurs that have never trained together, they're going to play to their strengths, so hopefully they would do some things differently. i think thats more the spirit of the event, rather than," who can do this exact thing fastest."


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Re: Course Design for Speed Courses
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2011, 08:04:29 AM »
For our speed run at Fight or Flight, we had two different colored tape.  Competitors needed to move over one color, and under the other color.  This made it really easy to see exactly where the course was, but left the decision of how to do the movement up to the competitor.  We also did 3 runs through the course.  Once forward (started and ending in specific locations), once backward (again starting and ending where we told them), and once in and order they wanted (started wherever they wanted and ending when they yelled "DONE").  The times were all added together to find the winner.

Here's a little video of the course - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk-5ONcRG90 - You can see the entire course being run forward in the first minute or so.  The rest of the video shows some of the different movements people used.