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Getting alot better results.
« on: June 24, 2011, 08:48:04 PM »
A little over a month ago I decided I'm going to watch what I eat, do HIIT, and by the end of the year, get toned. So far, I'm seeing GREAT results. You should've seen what I looked like a few months before! Ha! I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and hopefully by the end of the year I'll achieve my goal of being toned.

NOTE: I'm going to post pics, so no making fun(: We all start somewhere.  ;D I'm going to do a before and after picture like Mumu. Just took a picture so in about 6 months I'll take another and we'll see how I look then :P


I'm 6'0" and 160 lbs.







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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2011, 03:58:13 PM »
Why do you want to "tone"????
You aren't overweight, do you want to gain strength? or bulk up?

tone is often a term used by people who have too much bodyfat over their muscles, and want to burn it to show more muscle, though tone isn't measurable, and not a good term to use.

Tell us some of your goals and we can maybe help you more.
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2011, 05:58:19 PM »
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2011, 08:24:44 PM »
I don't even know what this word "tone" means...
I assume that you mean less BF% and more lean muscle mass.
Please clarify.
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2011, 09:50:20 PM »
I don't want to be "ripped" I just want to be "lean", "toned", "a lot of muscle, but not huge muscles like bodybuilders"
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2011, 09:56:03 PM »
Quote from: Josh Boggs on July 11, 2011, 09:50:20 PM
I don't want to be "ripped" I just want to be "lean", "toned", "a lot of muscle, but not huge muscles like bodybuilders"

Then don't take steroids.  :)  A regular strength training program would help you put on mass, but HIIT isn't going to do it at all.  You'll simply end up skinny and weak.  Progressive overloading would be your best option to gain muscle, but you'll have to cycle in a caloric excess in your diet to actually increase muscle mass.  Then (and only then) should you be concerned with getting lean.  I promise, it's easier to get lean when you have more muscle.
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2011, 10:04:50 PM »
Quote from: Joe Brock on July 11, 2011, 09:56:03 PM
Then don't take steroids.  :)  A regular strength training program would help you put on mass, but HIIT isn't going to do it at all.  You'll simply end up skinny and weak.  Progressive overloading would be your best option to gain muscle, but you'll have to cycle in a caloric excess in your diet to actually increase muscle mass.  Then (and only then) should you be concerned with getting lean.  I promise, it's easier to get lean when you have more muscle.
What I'm doing now seems to be working ALOT, actually. Its not really HIIT, I do jumprope HIIT. A little different.
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2011, 10:21:17 PM »
Well then....do whatever makes you happy.  ;)
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2011, 10:29:08 PM »
Quote from: Joe Brock on July 11, 2011, 10:21:17 PM
Well then....do whatever makes you happy.  ;)
I wish I knew alot more about diet and exercise...haha.
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2011, 10:54:20 PM »
I'm trying to assist your understanding.  What I'm saying is that, while you're seeing results from cutting BF% with your HIIT program, you won't really put on significant levels of muscle.  It is the downfall of just about teenage boy that is interested in "tone" (excuse me for stealing a Rip quote here), "most guys are worried about having a 6-pack, when they don't have a fridge to put it in."

I'm not trying to argue that you're not going to "see" some composition changes.  (As a matter of fact, I'm not trying to argue at all...if I wasn't interested in trying to help, I'd go back to reading articles by Louie Simmons on programming so that I can get my squat up to over 3xBW...freaking plateaus!)

It is harder to get big and strong than it is to lean up.  By telling yourself that you don't care about how "toned" you are until you are as "big" as you want to be, you'll save yourself a lot of heartbreak with your long-term goals.  If you just want the 6-pack, then be a skinny guy with a 6-pack.  You said "lot of muscles" which aren't there yet, and will be harder to get than a low BF%.
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2011, 04:28:14 AM »
160 is light for 6'0"...

Eat more, and keep doing what you're doing. Although I too would suggest a basic lifting program (SS for example would be good).
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2011, 05:53:54 AM »
Joe is right.  "Toning" doesn't exist.  You can have more or less bodyfat, or you can have more or less muscle.  Don't get the idea that you can be skinny and strong.  You must have muscle to be strong.  Too much emphasis on the TV and media that big muscles equals slow, dumb, clumsy strength.
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2011, 10:15:20 AM »
Quote from: Brian O'Neil on July 12, 2011, 04:28:14 AM
160 is light for 6'0"...

Eat more, and keep doing what you're doing. Although I too would suggest a basic lifting program (SS for example would be good).
Alright. The thing is guys, I don't want to have alot of freaking stomach fat on me. It pisses me off more than anything. Thats why I haven't eaten alot more than I could. I've been eating high protein, low carb, but still I could eat alot more. I think I will.
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2011, 11:25:28 AM »
Quote from: Josh Boggs on July 12, 2011, 10:15:20 AM
Alright. The thing is guys, I don't want to have alot of freaking stomach fat on me. It pisses me off more than anything. Thats why I haven't eaten alot more than I could. I've been eating high protein, low carb, but still I could eat alot more. I think I will.

If you're not willing to put on a little weight you're not going to get stronger... period.  After you strengthen up then its easy to tone down.  It's either a) look good or b) get strong... bulk up... trim down... look & feel AMAZING.
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2011, 12:51:01 PM »
Quote from: Josh Boggs on July 12, 2011, 10:15:20 AM
Alright. The thing is guys, I don't want to have alot of freaking stomach fat on me. It pisses me off more than anything. Thats why I haven't eaten alot more than I could. I've been eating high protein, low carb, but still I could eat alot more. I think I will.

If you get your cals, in a healthy way, you won't put up stomach fat (or fat anywhere else for that matter really). Do a clean bulk, probably one of the hardest ways I've tried to add weight. Or do it the boss way, if you feel lacking on your diet one day, take a shot or two of EVOO. Theres a lot in 2 oz of the stuff. Also, drink whole milk (2% if you can't handle whole).

Also, if you were to get a 6-pack right now, it would be the most perfect example of not having a fridge to put it in (Rip) according to your pictures above. This isn't ripping on you, but with parkour, a strengthening program and a healthy diet, you could build a real nice frame, just have to stick with it.

Good luck!
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2011, 01:00:20 PM »
Gotta eat more to fuel muscle gain, gotta progressive overload to actually GAIN muscle. If you like HIIT, that's fine, we can't force you.  But you should atleast look into Starting Strength.  Great way to gain muscle and take advantage of the "novice effect." 
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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2011, 03:53:13 PM »
Quote from: Jordan Davis on July 12, 2011, 01:00:20 PM
Great way to gain muscle and take advantage of the "novice effect." 
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I'm going to give you a piece of advice (that I'm almost certain that you won't listen to).  Take the next year and say, "To HELL with my levels of fat!  I'm going to get stronger by whatever means is necessary."  Pick up a copy of Starting Strength, about 4 gallons of milk (to start with), some olive oil, and explain to your mom that you've decided that you must eat more beef or you're going to shave your eyebrows off and dance naked to Lady Gaga songs in the front yard.  FOLLOW THE SS TEMPLATE!!!  Exactly.  If Rip says "don't do curls."  Then don't so them.  If he says Squat 3 times a week, then you do it.   If Rip says use progressive overloads, then you make it happen.  EAT LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO BE A SUMO.

Then, after a year, cut the excess fat using the jump rope, or HIIT, or by simply cleaning up your diet. 
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Re: Getting alot better results.
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2011, 05:12:18 PM »
Listen to Joe. And buy the book. I got it. Such great info. And for me it broke so many ideas I thought I knew about exercising.

My brother is kinda in the same boat. He's 5'8". 130 pounds. And he's trying to gain weight and "tone" up. But he refuses to listen to me. He drinks protein drinks and does crunches all day. But. He's still weak and hasn't gained any weight.
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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2011, 05:32:08 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2011, 06:35:42 PM »
Alright, alright. You all have changed my mind. Lol. The next year or so I'll be putting on more weight and whenever I get an Olympic barbell set, I'll be doing that SS program. But until then..what can I do to get bulkier? I have hardly any weights...maybe...65 lbs at the most. Which that only comes in handy for curls...nothing else, really. Again, what can I do to put on more muscle mass until I have enough weights to start lifting?
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