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Re: www.runningbarefootisbad.com - UGHH
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2011, 05:05:36 AM »
Well guys its on the internet so it must be true ... :-Sarcasm

I almost went to the website full of malarkey, but decided not too.

Question :
Does this Guy happen to sell anything such as shoes or (God forbid) a book? Why would someone lie to people like this. :(
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See, I think by not going to the site and writing it off as malarkey without seeing it is just being as bad as every shod runner that doesn't want to hear about going barefoot cause they're stuck in their ways. If we want people to actually believe in the barefoot movement and change their stubborn minds we have to listen to everything they say and directly respond to it with the evidence. If a shod runner says "oh that barefoot crap is a bunch of hippie bologna, people need shoes" we can't just reply "no your shoes are a bunch of bologna, barefoot all the way, there's so many studies about it!" They'll just think you're an idiot that likes to jump on underground trends and conspiracies.

That's why I made this post, I want as much ammunition as possible to retract almost anything someone can throw at me. I told a runner friend of mine about barefoot running, and gave him a whole speech including everything from Steven's articles and the "born to run" book and the "it's the way we're designed to move" argument. He was still skeptical, so a few days later he sends me the link to that site and says "you gotta stop buying in to everything you read on the internet." So what now? I can't just say "oh that site is crap, everything he says is lies, he's misconstruing the evidence, he's wrong." Gotta have the specifics, kno what I mean?

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Re: www.runningbarefootisbad.com - UGHH
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2011, 02:04:48 PM »
To be honest, if someone doesn't agree, it's best to leave them some time to think about it and show them when they show interest. If you try to force it upon people they tend to not respond well and regard you as a crazy hippie. The fact that we do parkour doesn't help either, at least from experience. People seem to think we're an eccentric bunch.

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Re: www.runningbarefootisbad.com - UGHH
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2011, 02:36:53 PM »
@Mr.WWII
I see your point. I have to agree with you.

I shall throw my ignorance out the window.

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Re: www.runningbarefootisbad.com - UGHH
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2011, 03:17:11 PM »
To be honest, if someone doesn't agree, it's best to leave them some time to think about it and show them when they show interest. If you try to force it upon people they tend to not respond well and regard you as a crazy hippie. The fact that we do parkour doesn't help either, at least from experience. People seem to think we're an eccentric bunch.

O yea, I hear what you're saying too. I know that trying to change certain peoples minds is a waste of time, but that still doesn't mean we should never try

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Re: www.runningbarefootisbad.com - UGHH
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2011, 03:39:57 PM »
While its obvious to anyone who has even a basic understanding of barefoot running that the site is full of crap, it's sad that it probably turns runners, who give the site a cursory look, away from barefoot running.  Which no doubt is the point of the site.

Luckily barefoot running has things like Born to Run and good old word of mouth to help combat fallacies like those on that site.
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Re: www.runningbarefootisbad.com - UGHH
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2011, 05:07:10 PM »
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Enough is enough. After being around the running community for many years, you soon get to notice that in general, members of the barefoot running community are behaving like they are member of some sort of religious cult. They try to promote barefoot running as an alternative to the use of running shoes. To do this they grasp at straws, use nonsense arguments, misunderstand research and are not very rational in their approach. They believe everything they read unless its something positive about running shoes. They are fanatical. They are as bad as the loony left of politics and the radical religious fanatics. Because of that they cannot take part in reasoned discussions or debates about barefoot running and use tactics worse than politicians to avoid answering the questions asked of them.

I am not talking about the occasional barefoot runner or the runners who use a small amount of barefoot running as part of a balanced training program. I am talking about those who use the “philosophy” of “barefoot running” and try to impose it on others. Someone has to keep them accountable for the nonsensical unscientific mumbo jumbo that they espouse.

This site will systematically deconstruct the claims made by barefoot runners. If you follow some of the debates on barefoot running you will see the fools they make of themselves with the claims they make. As soon as you deconstruct one argument, they throw up another equally bad one. They really just do not get it. Hopefully this site will help them get it.

Hate mail can be sent here: info@runningbarefootisbad.com

Please Note: This site receives NO funding from anyone or anything associated with the running shoe industry.

That is their "about" page... I guess we can take his advice and send some "hate mail".
I just like how he calls us fanatics and says that we're worse than politicians when it comes to avoiding questions.
maybe we should link the guy over to this thread so we can all have a nice discussion with him.

Besides - shoes are one of the most important things to our community, so wouldn't we be some pretty good candidates to debate this topic with him?

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"Definitive Evidence that Barefoot Running Really Does Make You Blind"
LOLWUT
http://www.runningbarefootisbad.com/definitive-evidence-that-barefoot-running-really-does-make-you-blind/375/
Not a SINGLE thing quoted by this doctor has ANYTHING to do with blind people or going blind at ALL...
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Re: www.runningbarefootisbad.com - UGHH
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2011, 07:28:30 AM »
That is their "about" page... I guess we can take his advice and send some "hate mail".
I just like how he calls us fanatics and says that we're worse than politicians when it comes to avoiding questions.
maybe we should link the guy over to this thread so we can all have a nice discussion with him.

Besides - shoes are one of the most important things to our community, so wouldn't we be some pretty good candidates to debate this topic with him?

EDIT:
"Definitive Evidence that Barefoot Running Really Does Make You Blind"
LOLWUT
http://www.runningbarefootisbad.com/definitive-evidence-that-barefoot-running-really-does-make-you-blind/375/
Not a SINGLE thing quoted by this doctor has ANYTHING to do with blind people or going blind at ALL...

that would be great if we could get him to read this thread and debate, but my guess is he is just as closed off as he "claims" we are. He even has a separate place to send hate mail, or in other words, mail that would debate all his claims, he probably never reads it, it probably all goes to his trash or spam folder. I really don't understand why this guy feels so damn strongly about this, especially when the evidence against him is ridiculously substantial

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Re: www.runningbarefootisbad.com - UGHH
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2011, 07:50:00 AM »
Its already been said, but there isn't any scientific evidence on that site, Most of what hes saying i cant even understand or i can understand but have no idea waht hes talking about

And the links he provide as sources just go back to other articles on his site.

Just ignore that entire site.

Marathon Monks run a marathon everyday wearing straw sandals.  If running without the soft cushion of a running shoe was bad im pretty sure all these monks would have some killer foot problems.
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Re: www.runningbarefootisbad.com - UGHH
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2011, 09:22:47 AM »
running barefoot is bad:
I stubbed my toe on a rock and it hurt ='(
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Re: www.runningbarefootisbad.com - UGHH
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2011, 09:28:19 AM »
In the end it's all about proper training. My good friend, who's an army ranger, bought a pair of 5 fingers and went out and ran 10 miles on the first day. He proceeded to get a midfoot (stress fracture of his  injury within a week).

He had been running in basic cushion shoes his whole life, so his foot was not ready for the load being placed on it.

To get this clear, I'm all foot barefoot running. I'm just saying that injuries can come from over use and too quick of progression into barefoot shoes.
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Re: www.runningbarefootisbad.com - UGHH
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2011, 01:19:17 PM »
running barefoot is bad:
I stubbed my toe on a rock and it hurt ='(
;D Thats part of the fun!!!!

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« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2011, 04:12:52 PM »
In the end it's all about proper training. My good friend, who's an army ranger, bought a pair of 5 fingers and went out and ran 10 miles on the first day. He proceeded to get a midfoot (stress fracture of his  injury within a week).

He had been running in basic cushion shoes his whole life, so his foot was not ready for the load being placed on it.

To get this clear, I'm all foot barefoot running. I'm just saying that injuries can come from over use and too quick of progression into barefoot shoes.

Well yeah that's his fault. It says all over Vibrams website to NOT do that, and to ease yourself into it. A lot of other sites say learn barefoot first then use the Vibrams

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Some transitioning tips:

    Run no more than 10% of your typical running distance for the first 2–3 weeks
    After 2–3 weeks, gradually increase mileage by 10%–20% every couple of weeks
    If you ever start to feel pain during a run, stop! You can always try again in a couple of days
    Never run 2 days in a row for the first month
    Stretch before and after each run, focusing on calves and feet, because Vibram FiveFingers running will stimulate these muscles
    If, after several weeks of training, you are consistently very sore, you need to rest and back-off on your mileage

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Re: www.runningbarefootisbad.com - UGHH
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2011, 06:45:11 PM »
I love how he calls people who support barefoot running "crazy fanatics" and "nutters" constantly when he's the one who devotes a site just to try and prove them wrong.  ::)
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« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2011, 06:07:53 PM »
did he really mention that it will make you go blind?

maybe smoking weed does turn people into violent rapists!


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« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2011, 06:13:39 PM »
did he really mention that it will make you go blind?

maybe smoking weed does turn people into violent rapists!
No he meant that barefoot runners are "blind"(to the truth)....that barefoot running is bad.

Crazy guy...
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Re: www.runningbarefootisbad.com - UGHH
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2011, 09:36:46 AM »
No he meant that barefoot runners are "blind"(to the truth)....that barefoot running is bad.

Crazy guy...

He's blind :D
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