Topic: Misinformation??

[Jordan Davis]

One of my friends who is very into working out and his physique, maybe a little too much. but he recently completed p90x and swears by it. I've read on here that it's a beginner workout and is nothing too special.  I've also read on here that doing things like, cardio, plyo's and other workouts are bad when you do them non stop like p90x instructs.  My friend said pushing muscles to never stop and to complete failure is how they literally and figuratively, get 'ripped'.  He said Toni Horton the creator, is ripped so he knows what he's doing.  He just thinks it's such a special workout and advanced that it can make everyone alot stronger and it's super hard and to go to muscle failure... i disagree,, but i guess i need everyone's more official advice on the matter, maybe Chris and Steve etc. Thanks guys

[Ashley McC]

Haven't you posted a topic about P90X already? I would look through that P90X vs. Alternatives thread and see what posts are in there.

[Grayson]

My friend said pushing muscles to never stop and to complete failure is how they literally and figuratively, get 'ripped'.

No, pushing muscles to failure is how you get hurt and long recovery times.

He said Toni Horton the creator, is ripped so he knows what he's doing.

Yea there's guys at Lifetime fitness that are ripped to, but they have know idea how the hell to squat or deadlift. I have no beef with body builders at the gym, but when I see someone with collapsing knees, rounded back, etc. squatting and I'm sitting there watching them try to teach one of their buddies how to squat, I get pretty angry.

And why is everyone being so fascinated with being "ripped" its not all its cracked up to be. I would rather show off doing handstand pushups and tucked planche pushups than showing someone how much I can curl with a dumbell and how many abs I have.

Do your squats, drink your milk.

[Steven Low]

YOu can get more easily "ripped" by lifting heavy weights and eating quality food.

[FastGuppy]

One of my friends who is very into working out and his physique, maybe a little too much. but he recently completed p90x and swears by it. I've read on here that it's a beginner workout and is nothing too special.  I've also read on here that doing things like, cardio, plyo's and other workouts are bad when you do them non stop like p90x instructs.

People swear by it because it is exponentially better than other workout regimes that do little or nothing for you. The only reason they are out there is to get profit off you. P90x in reality isn't bad, but there's much better.

 

My friend said pushing muscles to never stop and to complete failure is how they literally and figuratively, get 'ripped'. 

It depends. Going to failure doing 3 sets of 5 is really stupid because it's hard to recover. 3 sets of 12 you can hit failure once in a while but no more than that. In metabolic conditioning it's okay to hit failure and go past it.

He said Toni Horton the creator, is ripped so he knows what he's doing.  He just thinks it's such a special workout and advanced that it can make everyone alot stronger and it's super hard and to go to muscle failure... i disagree,, but i guess i need everyone's more official advice on the matter, maybe Chris and Steve etc. Thanks guys

There's nothing wrong with getting ripped and looking good. There's nothing wrong IMO with body building either. However, SS is still a better workout for novices than p90x, even if you want to get ripped. There's nothing special about p90x it's just advertised as if it is special. It's just another marketing scheme that capitalized off of other workouts and it had the money to make itself more public. Btw, just because someone is ripped, doesn't mean they know what they are doing. There needs to be scientific evidence that it works and it should logically fit together. SS can provide that.

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You're going to have a lot of people telling you to do things differently until you are squating 450 pounds on your back. Then they won't say anything. They'll just continue with their workout that leads to dead ends. If you're looking to get bigger, get ripped or get stronger. There's no better program for novices than SS. I have a really good feeling Chris and Steve agree.

[Shae Perkins]

P90x is legit, but as everyone else is saying, there are much better ways to get physique, strength, etc.

In metabolic conditioning it's okay to hit failure and go past it.

Link? I'm not saying it's untrue, but to my knowledge it is never wise to go past the point you can maintain good form.

[FastGuppy]

actually steve says it's okay in his sticky.

The biggest instance of where failure is fine most of the time is metabolic conditioning which has such a high energy requirement because of the different exercises done that it does not put as much stress on the CNS as it does on the energy systems. Therefore, it will not burn out the CNS that much while it will stimulate your muscle cells to make their energy producing more efficient thus increasing your work capacity for the next workout. Doing this “through the burn” is akin to pushing your lactic acid threshold (glycolytic pathway).

[Chris Salvato]

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[Dan Frank]

Link? I'm not saying it's untrue, but to my knowledge it is never wise to go past the point you can maintain good form.

Yeah, as it's been said, it's often okay with metcons because it won't compromise the CNS quite so much, but you always have to watch out for the potential of chronic or acute injury when going past failure.

[Steven Low]

Yeah, as it's been said, it's often okay with metcons because it won't compromise the CNS quite so much, but you always have to watch out for the potential of chronic or acute injury when going past failure.

Yep.

It's easier to injure yourself when going to failure. Thus, in general don't go to failure.