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Offline Phil Howe

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Artificial Meat
« on: December 01, 2009, 09:08:43 AM »
And another page into the reductive science book:

http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/30/artificial-meat/

Haven't we learned there's more to food than just the base chemicals we've isolated so far in the lab?  We thought before that the diet is fat,protein,carbohydrate, then we needed vitamins and minerals, then fatty acids.  Producing "health" foods from grains and chemical versions of nutrients hasn't helped make the world healthier, I doubt artificial meat (Uber Spam?) is going to help.

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Re: Artificial Meat
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2009, 09:25:53 AM »
I don't think you understand the breakthrough that occurred here...

Firstly, making artificial meat could be much more beneficial than real meat.  In a laboratory environment the meat will grow very similarly to in the body -- all that the scientists need to do is find an effective way of having the muscle grow with more efficacy.  Using/exercising the muscles in some way would be best -- then it would be just like real meat.  This isn't meat made of corn, here, dude - its made from the same things that are in regular meat.

With that said, its probably not the BEST option - if this meat IS released to the public then I will still eat real meat from a real animal.  This is mostly because you just never know what drawbacks may exist until there is a long term exposure.

Again, though, if you think this is a bad idea then you need to look more into world hunger.  This meat would be very cheap and could easily be distributed all over the world.  Right now there are people in Africa who are buying fish carcasses with no meat on them at all just so they can try to suck some of the protein out of the head and off of the already bare bones.  This is a major breakthrough in terms of global health.  For sports nutrition, not really, though.
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Re: Artificial Meat
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2009, 11:35:48 AM »
On your first point, only if we can replicate the nutrients derived from the animal, then this would be a true production method of meat.  McDonalds can culture its future grown beef and begin to make health claims, which is where I see grown meat being best suited, fast food and frozen foods as two that come to mind, where meat is altered to suit mass production.  I hope rigorous studies are done to determine the health value of grown meat. 

On your second point, that is the problem I fear.  We are only now discovering en masse the health effects of the FDA Approved Diet that is based on 6-11 servings of grain/grain based products.  So if the meat is released to the public it had better be under some intense scrutiny.

On the third and final point, I want world hunger to cease.  If, sticking heavily on if, grown meat becomes viable and mass produced, I see three ways that it would reach these starving regions, it is provided in aid, it is sold to them, or they begin producing it themselves.

If provided as aid, it might feed them for the time they are provided the food, if it even reaches them.  Over a long term, the people would be dependent on the food, especially if in a region beset in conflict, trapped in an environment disaster, or living in a refugee camp, as examples.  This does not promote long term sustainability for the people being provided aid.  In the short term, it is good to feed the starving, but as a long term, it leaves them dependent on foreign aid.

If sold, I doubt Africans who can only afford to purchase fish carcasses can afford laboratory grown meat exported from a foreign country, which leads into self-production, requiring a stable situation to support a massive food production effort like artificial meat.  That kind of stability is usually found very rarely in the situations where wide spread starvation exists.

In the end, I think world hunger is better combated by attacking the causes of the hunger, not just treating the symptoms, though trying to end a civil war in another country is many magnitudes more difficult than feeding the refugees of the conflict.  I would very much like for cheaper, less environmentally damaging food production to be available to all people of the world, that they can eat, live, and thrive.  The problem as always, is with people, and no artificial fishstick is going to help.

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Re: Artificial Meat
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2009, 11:50:41 AM »
Fair enough, you are entitled to your views on world hunger, etc.  I am not really well learned on it though this WILL help in some regard, whether short term of long term, imho.

Either way, this is the same method that is being used and investigated to grow human lungs, livers, hearts, etc. that can be transplanted into a living human rather than waiting on compatible donors.  The difference here is that muscle requires stimulation and stress to grow optimally -- similar to a heart that is grown ex-vivo.  If these technologies can grow implantable, functional, human organs then they can certainly grow muscle tissue that can be cooked and consumed similarly to the muscle that is currently extracted from living animals.
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Re: Artificial Meat
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2009, 12:09:07 PM »
This is true, if we can grow functioning organs, which require full functionality, we can grow meat.  I remember reading an article about the potential for grown transplants, they would be able to use the recipients DNA to prevent rejection after transplantation.

In the future, you can eat your own heart for power... :-Sarcasm