Author Topic: Bulking: milk substitute (Read 1703 times)

rory66perkins · « **on:** October 25, 2009, 12:58:57 PM »

hi i'm relatively new here. i am considering bulking this winter. I've read some stuff on it and have heard a lot about drinking up to a gallon of whole milk a day. the problem with this is that i really dislike the taste of milk and could not stomach that much. i was wondering if there was a good alternative, i was thinking maybe peanut butter.

David M. · « **Reply #1 on:** October 25, 2009, 01:14:34 PM »

Peanut butter has too much fat.

Jake Vigil · « **Reply #2 on:** October 25, 2009, 01:18:06 PM »

If you are working out hard, doing a program such as Starting Strength (Where GOMAD is largely associated), you simply need to eat enough to warrant muscle building. An extra couple hundred calories a day will do that. A gallon of milk will do that well.

Nut butters are pretty dense, good.
More eggs, maybe some potatoes...

Just eat MORE, (but not more shit. Eat healthy)

Grayson · « **Reply #3 on:** October 25, 2009, 01:26:26 PM »

Quote from: David Mascharka on October 25, 2009, 01:14:34 PM

Peanut butter has too much fat.

Myth: Eating fat makes you fat.

Spencer B · « **Reply #4 on:** October 25, 2009, 01:29:45 PM »

Well, a gallon of whole milk is really good at putting mass on noobies. Like ak said though, anything will work, but whole milk is almost unparalleled in this respect. If you're allergic I can understand, but if you want results similar to milk, you need protein and fat, carbs after lifting, but that's mostly for recovery.

David M. · « **Reply #5 on:** October 25, 2009, 01:59:34 PM »

Quote from: Grayson on October 25, 2009, 01:26:26 PM

Myth: Eating fat makes you fat.

Never said it would. I said it had a lot of fat in it. It also has other stuff in it so it would be better to have another food to eat.

Grayson · « **Reply #6 on:** October 25, 2009, 02:07:34 PM »

Quote from: David Mascharka on October 25, 2009, 01:59:34 PM

Never said it would. I said it had a lot of fat in it. It also has other stuff in it so it would be better to have another food to eat.

I'm not saying that's all he should eat, but if he is wanting to bulk up then eating a ton of nut butters would do the job since they have better absorption than whole nuts etc.

rory66perkins · « **Reply #7 on:** October 25, 2009, 02:22:08 PM »

thanks for the reply's, i'll continue to eat healthy like i normally do, but ill just try and add in some extra peanut butter to supplement my calories

Spencer B · « **Reply #8 on:** October 25, 2009, 02:33:10 PM »

Quote from: rory66perkins on October 25, 2009, 02:22:08 PM

thanks for the reply's, i'll continue to eat healthy like i normally do, but ill just try and add in some extra peanut butter to supplement my calories

We recommended anything that would increase the total amount of calories you ate. Well, I recommended toughing through it and still drinking milk, but the point stands. It doesn't have to be peanut butter, anything will do so long as you're eating more.

rory66perkins · « **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2009, 02:36:09 PM »

Fortunately one of the only ways i enjoy milk is with peanut butter, so i could eat copious amounts of both

Steven Low · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2009, 03:01:13 PM »

Quote from: David Mascharka on October 25, 2009, 01:59:34 PM

Never said it would. I said it had a lot of fat in it. It also has other stuff in it so it would be better to have another food to eat.

If you're going to keep making random statements like these you had better back them up.

Dan Frank · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2009, 03:04:44 PM »

You should just start drinking milk. If you do something or eat something a number of times, you get used to it and/or start to like it. If you really have to, go with chocolate milk or something. Whole milk is also delicious and optimal for serious conditioning programs.

Spencer B · « **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2009, 03:17:57 PM »

Quote from: rory66perkins on October 25, 2009, 02:36:09 PM

Fortunately one of the only ways i enjoy milk is with peanut butter, so i could eat copious amounts of both

Now you're thinking! Good man! Just try and drink more milk than you eat peanut butter!

Charles Moreland · « **Reply #13 on:** October 25, 2009, 03:52:10 PM »

IMHO, just drink the milk. When I was bulking up I took EVOO shots. NO ONE likes doing that, but I had to to get calories cheap.

David M. · « **Reply #14 on:** October 25, 2009, 04:44:34 PM »

Quote from: Steven Low on October 25, 2009, 03:01:13 PM

If you're going to keep making random statements like these you had better back them up.

Okay.

Most commercial peanut butters are made with the same type of sugar that cake frosting is made with. Reducing the fat makes it even worse because even MORE sugar is added and they contain less healthy fat.

Patrick Yang · « **Reply #15 on:** October 25, 2009, 04:54:52 PM »

Quote from: David Mascharka on October 25, 2009, 04:44:34 PM

Okay.

Most commercial peanut butters are made with the same type of sugar that cake frosting is made with. Reducing the fat makes it even worse because even MORE sugar is added and they contain less healthy fat.

It is true that most commercial peanut butters are loaded with sugar and added fats. I think there's incongruence between the assumptions you're making and those that Steve is making. Steve assumes that someone who is eating well will not be eating commercial peanut butter, but rather freshly ground nut butters with nothing added. In such a case, there will not be more sugar, and they present a pretty healthy lipid profile.

Jon Hurst · « **Reply #16 on:** October 25, 2009, 06:23:35 PM »

Quote from: Charles Moreland on October 25, 2009, 03:52:10 PM

IMHO, just drink the milk. When I was bulking up I took EVOO shots. NO ONE likes doing that, but I had to to get calories cheap.

What the heck is an EVOO shot??

I'm sure this is mentioned elsewhere, but this seems like an appropriate place to ask as well since someone else will likely be looking for the answer in this thread too. I'm lactose intolerant. I've been drinking lactose free whole milk. Is this milk as beneficial as regular whole milk or should I look for other milk substitutes?

Jake Vigil · « **Reply #17 on:** October 25, 2009, 07:45:05 PM »

Quote from: Jon Hurst on October 25, 2009, 06:23:35 PM

What the heck is an EVOO shot??

I'm sure this is mentioned elsewhere, but this seems like an appropriate place to ask as well since someone else will likely be looking for the answer in this thread too. I'm lactose intolerant. I've been drinking lactose free whole milk. Is this milk as beneficial as regular whole milk or should I look for other milk substitutes?

EVOO = Extra Virgin Olive Oil. 4 TBSP shot = 500 calories.

As far as the Lactose bit goes... I'm slightly lactose intolerant as well.

I would imagine that drinking whole lactose free milk (Essentially regular milk with Lactase added) wouldnt affect the other steroid like properties of milk, though that's just a guess.

The only downside is drinking a gallon of lactaid is a whole lot more expensive. When I'm able to GOMAD, my plan is to buy Lactase by the ton and take like 15 of them throughout the day

Chris Salvato · « **Reply #18 on:** October 25, 2009, 08:45:33 PM »

You don't want to drink the milk because you don't like it? If that's the reason then just man up. If you were lactose intolerant or got bad gas from milk, then i could understand...but plenty of people do things they dislike for the sake of bulking, health, performance, etc.

KC Parsons · « **Reply #19 on:** October 25, 2009, 09:13:20 PM »

Milk tends to work so well because liquid nutrients tend to be easier to take in in bigger amounts. I can have 3 glasses (about 2 cups each) in a sitting without much problem, but trying to take in that same 48-54g of protein and 900 calories in solid foods tends to be more difficult.

The availability of milk (no preparation required, only downside is the need for refrigeration) also makes it a preferred choice.
The macronutrient profile is well built for adding mass. Carbs for insulin response, protein for amino acid building blocks, fat for higher caloric density. Calcium for bone reconstruction and electrolyte replenishment, vitamin d for slightly added performance (though sadly in a gallon milk there's only 1600 IUs, less than the recommended minimum of 4,000 for athletes).

Another speculation on why it works well for mass gains: an entire gallon of whole milk is a hearty portion of food. 2400 calories, 128g of protein, 192g of carb, and ~1150 of raw fat calories. Because it's in a set container of a gallon, you can have a set goal of what to have for the day as a basis. You know that after you finish that gallon, along with whatever else you may have eaten that day, you'll be hard pressed to not have eaten as much. It gives you an acute, achievable goal for the day and you can watch as you get closer and closer to finishing it.

It doesn't really work that way with regular food portions, and would require more preparation and probably more cost as well. That's probably the final point that really adds to milk's case. The efficacy of cost. The highest I've seen a regular gallon of milk is 3 dollars. At first, people new to the idea say "holy crap, that's way too much for me to afford 1 a day."
Soon they realize that trying take in that same amount of food, especially with that kind of quality, will probably cost a whole lot more.

To sum up:

-Easier to take in because of its liquid state
-No prep required
-Well rounded nutrient composition
-Easily measured goal for daily diet
-Relatively inexpensive

Unless you're allergic or you get stomach boat like a frog's throat, I highly recommend using milk to supplement your mass gains.

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