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How often we exercise?
« on: August 06, 2009, 10:05:16 AM »
Im not sure if this topic has been up before, if so i apologize, i didnt see anything though. I was wondering if the amount of time between workouts can make a difference in how much strength you gain. For example, if once a day, i did 10 pullups for 3 sets within a few minutes, would it be more benificial than to just do a few pullups throughout the day so that it adds up to hundreds?
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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2009, 10:51:04 AM »
Depends on your goals.  What are they?
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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2009, 10:51:17 AM »
Different styles of training I suppose. I think it's up to the individual to figure out how they progress best.

Maybe you could take a look at one of these two articles for more insight to one the of the training styles you suggested.
http://humanmachine.wordpress.com/2007/06/22/grease-the-groove-for-strength/
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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2009, 11:24:04 AM »
Basically parkour oriented, and overall strength and endurance. Im pretty thin so i definately want to build my chest, armd, and shoulders, and im to the point that i can pretty easily do multiple pullups now, which is more than i could say for most of my life.  And thanks for the article Shae, ive heard of the 'grease the groove' method, and im about halfway through the article now :) i think i may follow that routine, im lookin more into it though. Im trying to get a good routine started, ive been working out a lot lately but i tend to change things up quite a bit.
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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2009, 12:49:45 PM »
Your goals, as you've stated them here, are pretty vague. If they're in more detail somewhere else on the forum, that's good; but just in terms of this thread, which type of training frequency you choose depends entirely on your goals.

"Overall strength and endurance" does not tell us anything about where you want to be, and therefore makes it impossible to figure out which type of training you should do. It's like asking someone what type of transportation would be best for a trip to "Somewhere." Know what I mean?

Multiple pullups are great; but after you're able to do, I dunno, I think the number is like 15-20 or so, you don't really get much benefit out of doing many more. I mean, you'd have mad endurance if you could do like 100 pullups, but is that going to really help you have explosive climb-ups, or be able to get over a wall that has a weird angle? Or get over a wall while carrying an unconscious person you've rescued? Not really. It just means you will be able to pull yourself over the wall many many times under normal circumstances.

Also, wanting to "build" your chest, arms, and shoulders is another "non-goal." I can tell you a ton of ways to get those body parts bigger without really any benefit to you. But if you train for true strength, and support that with a good diet, the size will come on its own.

"Parkour oriented" is not a goal. It's a mood. Your parkour goals should be expressed in terms of specific, measurable skills. (In fact all your goals should be expressed in terms of specific and measurable terms).

Again, if your goals are expressed specifically and measurably elsewhere on the forums, I apologize for nit-picking them here. But I suspect if that were the case, you'd already at least have some idea of how often to exercise, and there would be no need for this thread. ;)

So perhaps re-wording your goals thus would help us answer your question:

1. "Basically parkour oriented" becomes "Be able to kong a picnic table, wallrun and topout on a 12' wall, precision onto a rail from a 4' gap..." (and similar)

2. "Build my chest, arms, and shoulders" becomes "Be able to bench press (X), QM (Y) distance, do (Z) handstand pushups, do a muscle-up, do a weighted pullup with (X) lbs..." (and similar)

3. "Overall strength and endurance" becomes (see #2 for some examples of strength goals), also, "Be able to do (X) pistols, run 3 miles in (X) time, QM (Y) distance (or time), be able to move continuously through a parkour course for (Z) minutes..." (and similar).

Make sense?

Once you have articulated very specific goals, then that will determine what you do for exercise, and how often. For more information on this, check out Steve Low's article.

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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2009, 12:59:16 PM »
I believe he's referring to something like this: http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php?topic=18192.0
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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2009, 08:53:55 PM »
Multiple pullups are great; but after you're able to do, I dunno, I think the number is like 15-20 or so, you don't really get much benefit out of doing many more. I mean, you'd have mad endurance if you could do like 100 pullups, but is that going to really help you have explosive climb-ups, or be able to get over a wall that has a weird angle? Or get over a wall while carrying an unconscious person you've rescued? Not really. It just means you will be able to pull yourself over the wall many many times under normal circumstances.

Would you agree that power has more of translation to endurance, than endurance does towards power?
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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2009, 09:38:35 PM »
I was just asking what the benefits of that certain type of training is, i did some research today and its called greage the groove, it seems to rely o the concept of doing either weight or bodyweight exercises, pullups/one arm pushups, pistols/ etc, at low reps throughout the day, and never getting burned out or reaching the point of failure. And muse, dont worry, i was in no way trying to explain all my fitness goals in the couple of sentences in that post, I realize that i need to set actual goals if i really want to improve. :) im putting a lot of focus on what i eat and drink and  im really working on flexibility. Pretty soon ill have some realistic strength goals for pullup/pistol/ etc, that i should be able to improve on, ive been reading up on bodyweight training, and have started doing basic exercises everyday, ive been doing a lot of QM lately, and making sure that I warmup. Thank you, Im going to get my goals on paper, and hopefully improve on them in time :)
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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2009, 11:06:22 PM »
Multiple pullups are great; but after you're able to do, I dunno, I think the number is like 15-20 or so, you don't really get much benefit out of doing many more. I mean, you'd have mad endurance if you could do like 100 pullups, but is that going to really help you have explosive climb-ups, or be able to get over a wall that has a weird angle? Or get over a wall while carrying an unconscious person you've rescued? Not really. It just means you will be able to pull yourself over the wall many many times under normal circumstances.

Would you agree that power has more of translation to endurance, than endurance does towards power?

Yup.

GTG is nice to improve numbers, but you need to be moving heavy weights or harder bodyweight progressions to get significantly better.

Climbups for example are easy when you can do a one arm pullup (strength progression on pullups) and heavy ring dips.... and you'll probably have a nice looking body to boot because you need muscle mass to move heavy weight.

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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2009, 11:30:36 PM »
Later on i can  move on to one arm pushups/pullups, handstand pushups, weighted pullups etc. For now pullups and pistols are sufficient :)
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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2009, 05:03:15 PM »
handstand push ups, for me are the easiest out of all of them but they haven't seemed to help me with my pull ups, as you've found out on the 100k pull ups forum   lol.
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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2009, 05:21:01 PM »
handstand push ups, for me are the easiest out of all of them but they haven't seemed to help me with my pull ups, as you've found out on the 100k pull ups forum   lol.

HSPU and Pullups train totally different things.  Why would you think that one would help the other?
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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2009, 06:14:51 PM »
I need to exercise A HELL OF A LOT more. ^^
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2009, 06:50:52 PM »
handstand push ups, for me are the easiest out of all of them but they haven't seemed to help me with my pull ups, as you've found out on the 100k pull ups forum   lol.

HSPU and Pullups train totally different things.  Why would you think that one would help the other?

oh i wasn't meaning it like that, i was saying that i need to work on pull ups more instead of wasting time on hspu's   rereading what i wrote i can see how i typed that wrong   thx tho
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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2009, 07:05:37 PM »
handstand push ups, for me are the easiest out of all of them but they haven't seemed to help me with my pull ups, as you've found out on the 100k pull ups forum   lol.

HSPU and Pullups train totally different things.  Why would you think that one would help the other?

oh i wasn't meaning it like that, i was saying that i need to work on pull ups more instead of wasting time on hspu's   rereading what i wrote i can see how i typed that wrong   thx tho

Erm...you should be working both :P
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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2009, 08:00:58 PM »
handstand push ups, for me are the easiest out of all of them but they haven't seemed to help me with my pull ups, as you've found out on the 100k pull ups forum   lol.

HSPU and Pullups train totally different things.  Why would you think that one would help the other?

oh i wasn't meaning it like that, i was saying that i need to work on pull ups more instead of wasting time on hspu's   rereading what i wrote i can see how i typed that wrong   thx tho

Erm...you should be working both :P

lol  :P  i know that i just meant i should put more time into the pull ups instead of only hspu like i used to, but im making a good transition,    lol,     also im fairly new to parkour   do you have any like workout tips or beginner workouts you can give me
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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2009, 08:22:11 AM »
thanks man, that'll help a lot
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Re: How often we exercise?
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2009, 10:36:56 PM »
The guy at 4:17 doesn't seem to have too much body mass but he still can do a one handed pullup :o

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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2009, 11:53:17 AM »
The guy at 4:17 doesn't seem to have too much body mass but he still can do a one handed pullup :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM1CX1BzoqM&feature=channel_page

lol its not that thats the real problem, its that all of my weight and strenght is in my legs,   my legs side by side are just two tree trunks as i have been told by an uncountable number of people and then there are my arms..... :(
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now the only thing i need to do is make my body look like this so my arms match my leg strength,   (and don't get me wrong my muscles arn't the grotesque body builder muscles that are only good for lifting things slowly, they're the compact effiecient muscle that is amazing in every way except that it's only located in my legs and helps me with few things other than crushing skulls, and i deffinately don't want the gross ass useless body builder muscles )
   
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