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Re: bulking up
« Reply #60 on: July 20, 2009, 07:56:25 PM »
Man, Tom....this last post you put up is just exactly what I am talking about.  Five paragraphs can be avoided if we could talk on a more instant medium.  To be frank, I really don't want to read all that and I am directly involved in the discussion.  Imagine how someone else who isn't even participating feels?

what's the difference between sacroplasmic hypertrophy and just regular hypertrophy?

Sarcoplasm is cytoplasm in a muscle cell.  Cytoplasm is like a liquid that fills our cells.  In the cytoplasm floats the organelles -- things like the mitochondria, nucleus and endoplastic reticulum that carry out cell functions like metabolism and protein synthesis.

Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is when the muscles fill with more sarcoplasm rather than with more actual contractile fibers.  Myofibrillar hypertrophy is when there is an increase in contractile fibers which allows for increases in force production by the muscle.  For the record, force production is not the same thing as strength.
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Re: bulking up
« Reply #61 on: July 20, 2009, 10:21:49 PM »
Someone told me drinking too much milk can cause some sort of iron deficiency?  True? No?

I’ve been drinking close to a gallon of whole milk a day and I can’t gain weight. It's frustrating. I just need ten more pounds of muscle on me and I think I would be at a good body weight. I'm 6 foot and I'm at 166. Is that too thin? I'm trying to aim for the Greek vision of an athlete: normal weight, a lot of snap and anaerobic. I don't want to look big or anything. I think I'm too skinny now.  I would like to be at 175-180.


Drink the whole gallon, then eat more.

wow im 5,6 and 160 85% muscle but i want more

doc says im over weight though but what does he know hes a skinny short guy
how?

If you want to be more muscle, then drop you're bodyfat to about 8-10% instead of 15%.

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Re: bulking up
« Reply #62 on: July 20, 2009, 10:26:14 PM »
i dont want to much muscle i just want to be well toned asap   

let me give an example by the end of the training i want to e ale to break this brick> WITH MY BARE HANDS

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Re: bulking up
« Reply #63 on: July 21, 2009, 05:56:19 AM »
So would sacroplasmic hypertrophy bulk you up like regular hypertrophy? Or does it just put a bunch of waste in your body?
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Re: bulking up
« Reply #64 on: July 21, 2009, 06:42:44 AM »
So would sacroplasmic hypertrophy bulk you up like regular hypertrophy? Or does it just put a bunch of waste in your body?

From what I understand, sarcoplasmic hypertrophy will allow you to realize more endurance gains than strength gains.  Is it a waste?  Not if you want muscular endurance.  But seeing as many practitioners are looking for strength and power, it might not be the correct type of hypertrophy you're looking for.
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Re: bulking up
« Reply #65 on: July 21, 2009, 07:49:08 AM »
i dont want to much muscle i just want to be well toned asap   

let me give an example by the end of the training i want to e ale to break this brick> WITH MY BARE HANDS

1) You just contradicted everything you stated in your first post.

2) In order to break a brick, you have to have skill work like martial arts.

3) YOU DOUBLE POSTED.

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Re: bulking up
« Reply #66 on: July 21, 2009, 08:24:35 AM »
See why nobody takes you seriously? I mean nobody. Even I'm having a hard time not screaming at you right now.

Unnecessary.
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Re: bulking up
« Reply #67 on: July 21, 2009, 09:27:28 AM »
See why nobody takes you seriously? I mean nobody. Even I'm having a hard time not screaming at you right now.

Unnecessary.

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Re: bulking up
« Reply #68 on: July 21, 2009, 10:56:46 AM »
guys if you can't stay on topic (how to make guppy look sexy) then don't post anything at all.
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Re: bulking up
« Reply #69 on: July 21, 2009, 11:11:15 AM »
So would sacroplasmic hypertrophy bulk you up like regular hypertrophy? Or does it just put a bunch of waste in your body?

Sarcoplasm is not garbage it just does not contribute to force production.
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Re: bulking up
« Reply #70 on: July 23, 2009, 04:29:42 PM »
Tom,

I did some more research into this matter - defaulting back to charles poliquin of T-nation who has worked with many olympians and elite bodybuilders...

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Progressive overload is still the most important factor in muscular hypertrophy, and always trying to beat your last workout performance is good advice. But the research is very clear of the positive correlation between volume and growth. Simply put, the routine you're doing may not have enough volume for you.

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So you need volume and you need progressive overload, but you also have to be mindful of not overtaxing the body's recuperative abilities. The way to achieve this is to have an effective volume reduction strategy.

This is pretty consistent with what we have been saying the whole time.

I guess the difference is that I am putting more emphasis on the progressive overload for the novice where you are putting more on the increased volume.  Poliquin points out that overtraining becomes a big factor -- overtraining the novice is hard because of their readiness to recover but, at the same time, very easy because mosts novices don't know wtf they are doing.

I still think that my generalized recommendation will remain to be SS for the novice who is new and just got under a barbell the first time.  Maybe for a client that I am coaching, if their goal is mass gain, I will have much more of a focus on higher volume isolations in conjunction with progressive overloading. 

Even Poliquin says that you need both. I think that squatting for 10 as a novice would be a waste of time and ignoring the importance of progressive overload on the highly stressful core lifts -- I am of the camp that progressive overloading should be done on the core lifts (squat, DL, Bench, OH Press) and that the isolations should be done on isolationist workouts.
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Re: bulking up
« Reply #71 on: July 23, 2009, 06:51:32 PM »
My main point from the start has been that you can't optimize for all things simultaneously quite as well as you can optimize for just one.
If we look at muscle size just for looks it's not just the repetitions, you can even work on increasing size by increasing mass of capillaries, energy and water retention etc, which are actually not helping strength at all for example. That's why it was never about SS being a good practical recommendation, but about these considerations and the very different approaches and goals of competitive bodybuilders (as the OP literally asked) and performance athletes like in parkour (as the OP really intended).

But, specifically for progression, you can have progression while still training at different regimes (max strength levels and % effort). And that makes a difference in shifting gains between faster strength gains or faster mass gains. In fact as you know you can have large amounts of progressive overload from strength gains even without any increase in mass at all (just from trying to stimulate neurological adaptations and reinforce them frequently while minimizing stimulation of muscle fibers, like with a single rep).