Author Topic: question: Running before or after strength (Read 2464 times)

Samuel96 · « **on:** June 18, 2009, 10:17:00 AM »

I am (sort of(ish)) a runner and I'd love to be consistent with it, but I have a question. Should I run before or after strength training?

Chris Salvato · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2009, 10:22:02 AM »

After

kharvilak · « **Reply #2 on:** June 18, 2009, 10:40:19 AM »

It really is up to the person and what goals they are wanting to accomplish in their workouts. Here's an article that pretty much puts it in perspective:
http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/training/a/ExerciseOrder.htm

Chris Salvato · « **Reply #3 on:** June 18, 2009, 11:00:26 AM »

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If Your Goal is Increasing Muscle Size and Strength
Increasing muscle size can best be accomplished by lifting weights first when the body's main source of energy for muscle contraction (glycogen) is high. If you do a hard cardio workout before lifting, you deplete glycogen, which makes the workout ineffective.

After.

Everyone's goal here should to be getting stronger. Strength increases endurance (whether its running or pullups or whatever). If you want to lose weight, strength makes you strong AND makes you lose weight.

People in general, especially here, should be focusing on strength. Even emergency personnel who should be focusing on metabolic conditioning should have ample strength components to their workouts...in which case strength should still come first.

If your muscles are not fresh then neuromuscular efficiency goes down and it is much harder to get strong. If you are going to waste your time doing endurance activities before strength activities then you are better off not doing a strength workout at all for that day, imho.

EDIT - if you read that article in more detail it pretty much always says to put endurance on its own day all together. If you are going to do it on the same day and your goal is endurance then you are missing something. Also, you should probably read this so that the concept of doing endurance work makes more sense: http://eshlow.blogspot.com/2009/06/why-speed-work-is-necessary-for-elite.html

I can't honestly think of one valid reason people should do endurance work before strength work.

FastGuppy · « **Reply #4 on:** June 18, 2009, 08:26:26 PM »

unl;ess your warming up (which then it needs to be light running) after. No question about this.

Brett Robert · « **Reply #5 on:** June 18, 2009, 09:28:13 PM »

Chris, what about running to the gym a few miles away?

What if I jog slowly, or walk to the gym, lift, then run home? Would bringing a snack help?

Samuel96 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 18, 2009, 10:00:53 PM »

I wanna gain strength, look buffer (lose a bit), and get running for the summer.

#3 is wrong

My hips are out of alignment because of a combination of flat feet and taking a hit in hockey. I went to the pt today and she said no running (indefinitely) I REALLY hope I can run within a month.
Any ideas for substitutes for running or anything would be much appreciated..

Grayson · « **Reply #7 on:** June 19, 2009, 04:39:45 AM »

Quote from: LittleNinja on June 18, 2009, 10:00:53 PM

I wanna gain strength, look buffer (lose a bit), and get running for the summer.

#3 is wrong My hips are out of alignment because of a combination of flat feet and taking a hit in hockey. I went to the pt today and she said no running (indefinitely) I REALLY hope I can run within a month.
Any ideas for substitutes for running or anything would be much appreciated..

Well, I hate running so I get my cardio from swimming and biking 10 miles

FastGuppy · « **Reply #8 on:** June 19, 2009, 06:18:36 AM »

if you're warming up it's fine but the only goal for that is to break a sweat. No more.

Chris Salvato · « **Reply #9 on:** June 19, 2009, 06:31:53 AM »

Quote from: Beretta on June 18, 2009, 09:28:13 PM

Chris, what about running to the gym a few miles away?

What if I jog slowly, or walk to the gym, lift, then run home? Would bringing a snack help?

Define a few miles?

If its 1 or 2 miles taken at a leisurely pace and you just break a sweat then go into the gym and are immediately ready to work out thats fine..

If its like 5 miles and you are taking breaks during your run just to make it there then...I would say thats a bit much if you are going to do strength work. You may want to get a cheap bike if thats the case

Quote from: Grayson on June 19, 2009, 04:39:45 AM

Quote from: LittleNinja on June 18, 2009, 10:00:53 PM
I wanna gain strength, look buffer (lose a bit), and get running for the summer.

#3 is wrong My hips are out of alignment because of a combination of flat feet and taking a hit in hockey. I went to the pt today and she said no running (indefinitely) I REALLY hope I can run within a month.
Any ideas for substitutes for running or anything would be much appreciated..

Well, I hate running so I get my cardio from swimming and biking 10 miles

You don't really need to bike/swim for 10 miles for good cardio. You can do a 5-10 minute workout involving bodyweight skills or heavier lifting at a quick pace for the same (if not more beneficial) effects.

Steven Low · « **Reply #10 on:** June 19, 2009, 08:25:36 AM »

Quote from: LittleNinja on June 18, 2009, 10:00:53 PM

I wanna gain strength, look buffer (lose a bit), and get running for the summer.

#3 is wrong My hips are out of alignment because of a combination of flat feet and taking a hit in hockey. I went to the pt today and she said no running (indefinitely) I REALLY hope I can run within a month.
Any ideas for substitutes for running or anything would be much appreciated..

Rowing on a concept 2
Swimming and biking also work... do tabata stuff

Samuel96 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 19, 2009, 08:59:05 AM »

I want to run....I want to train parkour...my pt says any jumping or repetitive motion is bad.

Any ideas on what I CAN train for parkour?

FastGuppy · « **Reply #12 on:** June 20, 2009, 07:44:15 AM »

I do jump rope before workouts

Mike Patella · « **Reply #13 on:** June 20, 2009, 08:22:38 AM »

Quote from: LittleNinja on June 19, 2009, 08:59:05 AM

I want to run....I want to train parkour...my pt says any jumping or repetitive motion is bad.

Any ideas on what I CAN train for parkour?

Well, jumping and repetitive motion is parkour. I suggest that you talk to your trainer and figure out if this is for recovery purposes or if they will always be "off limits."

Samuel96 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 20, 2009, 11:59:47 AM »

Quote from: Mike Patella on June 20, 2009, 08:22:38 AM

Quote from: LittleNinja on June 19, 2009, 08:59:05 AM
I want to run....I want to train parkour...my pt says any jumping or repetitive motion is bad.

Any ideas on what I CAN train for parkour?
Well, jumping and repetitive motion is parkour. I suggest that you talk to your trainer and figure out if this is for recovery purposes or if they will always be "off limits."

I hope not

T_T

If so I'm probably gonna break a door, window, or a desk.
Which one should I do?

Spencer B · « **Reply #15 on:** June 20, 2009, 01:41:36 PM »

Quote from: LittleNinja on June 20, 2009, 11:59:47 AM

Quote from: Mike Patella on June 20, 2009, 08:22:38 AM
Quote from: LittleNinja on June 19, 2009, 08:59:05 AM
I want to run....I want to train parkour...my pt says any jumping or repetitive motion is bad.

Any ideas on what I CAN train for parkour?
Well, jumping and repetitive motion is parkour. I suggest that you talk to your trainer and figure out if this is for recovery purposes or if they will always be "off limits."
I hope not

T_T

If so I'm probably gonna break a door, window, or a desk.
Which one should I do?

I'd choose the desk, no glass, and nobody yelling at you for breaking a door... then I'd go to an awesome chiropractor like our awesome Ken and get a second opinion.

Shae Perkins · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2009, 06:32:22 PM »

LittleNinja- Don't get down buddy. I've always though of Parkour as how you move you're own body through the environment. If you have some problems with you're lower body, the maybe focus on moving with more of an emphasis on upper body. I'm not sure of the extent of your condition so I would check with your doctor first, but maybe you could look into rock climbing?

Or be like Livewire and train parkour on your hands haha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPPo6GChrGo&feature=PlayList&p=B72727034AF37545&index=1

Just be adaptable buddy.

Samuel96 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 23, 2009, 09:55:53 AM »

Luckily there is no reason to get down.

David M. · « **Reply #18 on:** June 23, 2009, 11:53:01 AM »

Quote from: Chris Salvato on June 19, 2009, 06:31:53 AM

Quote from: Beretta on June 18, 2009, 09:28:13 PM
Chris, what about running to the gym a few miles away?

What if I jog slowly, or walk to the gym, lift, then run home? Would bringing a snack help?

Define a few miles?

If its 1 or 2 miles taken at a leisurely pace and you just break a sweat then go into the gym and are immediately ready to work out thats fine..

If its like 5 miles and you are taking breaks during your run just to make it there then...I would say thats a bit much if you are going to do strength work. You may want to get a cheap bike if thats the case

5 isn't that far. I do 5 almost every day.

Brett Robert · « **Reply #19 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:58:04 PM »

Quote from: Shark on June 23, 2009, 11:53:01 AM

Quote from: Chris Salvato on June 19, 2009, 06:31:53 AM
Quote from: Beretta on June 18, 2009, 09:28:13 PM
Chris, what about running to the gym a few miles away?

What if I jog slowly, or walk to the gym, lift, then run home? Would bringing a snack help?

Define a few miles?

If its 1 or 2 miles taken at a leisurely pace and you just break a sweat then go into the gym and are immediately ready to work out thats fine..

If its like 5 miles and you are taking breaks during your run just to make it there then...I would say thats a bit much if you are going to do strength work. You may want to get a cheap bike if thats the case

5 isn't that far. I do 5 almost every day.

You're right, 5 miles isn't that far to run. However, the topic of discussion is the physiological affects of running as related to sequencing workouts that include both running and strength training.

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Author Topic: question: Running before or after strength (Read 2464 times)