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Offline edgey

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This is very tough.
« on: May 22, 2009, 05:05:30 PM »
So I play football for my highschool, but I also do alot of Parkour and gymnastics, the problem is that to play linebacker for my highschool I have to stay at a certain weight to be able to be bigger than the offense, but to do that I have to put on not only muscle but some fat also. I have always ate healthily,but I need to eat more that I'm most likely supposed to... like 6-7 times a day and what I eat also needs to include fats and ALOT of protein and my question is that does anyone think that this fat will alter my performance in Parkour?

(I'm not talking fat, just focused about putting on muscle weight more than being toned.)

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Re: This is very tough.
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2009, 06:11:14 PM »
If you're athletic.. you'll be athletic when you're heavier too especially with football (although from playing games you'll have the fun of having your body beat up on a constant basis......).

You may lose some ability but gain others. All depends.. it's hard to tell at this point. I mean, the linebackers in the NFL are obviously GREAT athletes even though they are pretty heavy and may have excess fat mass. On the other hand, bodybuilders with lots of muscle and very little fat aren't very athletic at all... so you can't make a blanket statement on how your performance will be until it happens.

I wouldn't suggest playing football as a sport though (I know too many people with lots of injuries), but that's up to you!
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Re: This is very tough.
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2009, 06:41:01 PM »
Whoa, whoa, whoa....

Steve, not all bodybuilders aren't athletic. You ever heard of Kevin Levrone? Heck of a huge bodybuilder, while still being able to get great 40m times. And there are plenty of bodybuilders who carry tons of muscle with little bodyfat, while weighing under 200 pounds and still be as athletic as anyone else.

I'm not trying to bash you or anything, but I gotta defend the bodybuilders. I just can't stand these labels that people put on bodybuilders that they say they are unathletic, slow, or unflexible. It drives me nuts!! Haha. Well, everyone enjoy their memorial day weekend.
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Re: This is very tough.
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2009, 10:24:29 PM »
By definition bodybuilders dont care about performance.  If you don't care about performance then you won't be good at performance...thats just the nature of training.
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Re: This is very tough.
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2009, 10:42:03 PM »
By definition bodybuilders dont care about performance.  If you don't care about performance then you won't be good at performance...thats just the nature of training.

not necessarily: one who moves may not care about efficiency.. but that doesn't mean that one who moves is therefore inefficient

if someone in their training doesn't focus on efficiency and rather on aesthetics, that doesn't go to say that when the shots ring they can't efficiently get the hell away
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Re: This is very tough.
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2009, 12:33:10 AM »
Whoa, whoa, whoa....

Steve, not all bodybuilders aren't athletic. You ever heard of Kevin Levrone? Heck of a huge bodybuilder, while still being able to get great 40m times. And there are plenty of bodybuilders who carry tons of muscle with little bodyfat, while weighing under 200 pounds and still be as athletic as anyone else.

I'm not trying to bash you or anything, but I gotta defend the bodybuilders. I just can't stand these labels that people put on bodybuilders that they say they are unathletic, slow, or unflexible. It drives me nuts!! Haha. Well, everyone enjoy their memorial day weekend.

I really want to say "who cares" because it's just an example.......

Obviously, you're correct, but if you take your average BBer from any part of the world, most of them aren't athletic. That's just a fact. Hey, some are... but most of the ones that are also probably previously played competitive sports, or add in athletic work to their BBing (+/- steroids).

By definition bodybuilders dont care about performance.  If you don't care about performance then you won't be good at performance...thats just the nature of training.

not necessarily: one who moves may not care about efficiency.. but that doesn't mean that one who moves is therefore inefficient

if someone in their training doesn't focus on efficiency and rather on aesthetics, that doesn't go to say that when the shots ring they can't efficiently get the hell away

Um, true, but in general they will be less capable.

So the point still stands.


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The point here is that muscle mass may or may not hinder your athletic ability depending on (1) how you develop it, and (2) if your frame/genetics can handle it without becoming too "bulky"

We don't need to get into a debate about how not all _____ are _____ because we already know that. If I need an example I will pull one as such.
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Re: This is very tough.
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2009, 05:16:32 AM »
If you're athletic.. you'll be athletic when you're heavier

So when your statement is applied to a bodybuilder, you're saying that they are no longer athletic when they gain weight? Reason being, I would have to believe that the majority of bodybuilders were athletic before they decided to take that path. Because I'm thinking that not too many full-time couch-potatoes or hardcore video gamers get up one day and decide to become bodybuilders.

And what about the WSM (World's Strongest Man) competitions? There have been plenty of bodybuilders who turned to these competitions. Yes, many of those guys are big and bulky, but they are also quick and some are very, very well-conditioned.

It's all about how you put your physique to use. Again, I'm not trying to start anything. It's just that, to me, you don't have much respect for the men and women of bodybuilding.
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Re: This is very tough.
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2009, 03:21:39 PM »
If you're athletic.. you'll be athletic when you're heavier

So when your statement is applied to a bodybuilder, you're saying that they are no longer athletic when they gain weight? Reason being, I would have to believe that the majority of bodybuilders were athletic before they decided to take that path. Because I'm thinking that not too many full-time couch-potatoes or hardcore video gamers get up one day and decide to become bodybuilders.

And what about the WSM (World's Strongest Man) competitions? There have been plenty of bodybuilders who turned to these competitions. Yes, many of those guys are big and bulky, but they are also quick and some are very, very well-conditioned.

It's all about how you put your physique to use. Again, I'm not trying to start anything. It's just that, to me, you don't have much respect for the men and women of bodybuilding.

Did you even read my last post?

It's a good idea to read the whole thread before you comment.
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Re: This is very tough.
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2009, 04:52:21 PM »
Well, whatever man. It's just not worth trying to talk to you. Have a good day.
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Re: This is very tough.
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2009, 09:27:06 PM »
If you're athletic.. you'll be athletic when you're heavier

So when your statement is applied to a bodybuilder, you're saying that they are no longer athletic when they gain weight? Reason being, I would have to believe that the majority of bodybuilders were athletic before they decided to take that path. Because I'm thinking that not too many full-time couch-potatoes or hardcore video gamers get up one day and decide to become bodybuilders.

And what about the WSM (World's Strongest Man) competitions? There have been plenty of bodybuilders who turned to these competitions. Yes, many of those guys are big and bulky, but they are also quick and some are very, very well-conditioned.

It's all about how you put your physique to use. Again, I'm not trying to start anything. It's just that, to me, you don't have much respect for the men and women of bodybuilding.

No matter how many BBers do Strongman comps, most Strongman competitors are ex- or current powerlifters rather than BBers.  Here's the thing:

Athletes can bodybuild.
Bodybuilders can be athletic.
Powerlifters can bodybuild.
Bodybuilders can powerlift.
Etc. etc. etc.

The fact of the matter is that most bodybuilders got into the sport because they spent their time at the gym, tried various other sports, and found something they were good at: getting big and cutting fat.  Have you trained with many bodybuilders?  For every athletic BBer, there's ten who just don't care about anything other than how they look.  For every bodybuilder that does a bench with tucked elbows, there's twenty who do it with flared elbows.

You get good at what you specialise in.  For BBers, it's hypertrophy.  In general, people who choose bodybuilding as their primary sport are not strong, are not explosive, are not enduring.  They can tell you a thousand and one different programs for hypertrophy, but probably can't even name one strength training program or tell you the name of any elite powerlifter.

And those statements have nothing to do with a lack of respect.  It has to do with the nature of what we or anyone else does.  You get good at what you train for.  I train with a lot more bodybuilders than I'd like to, and I see the dedication they put into things..  But most of them really could care less about how to develop unilateral plyometric ability or how much they can lift.  Hell, one guy I know didn't know what a power rack was (and, let me tell you, his physique is more a result of genetics than training).
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Re: This is very tough.
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2009, 04:53:24 AM »
It's all about how you put your physique to use.

Putting your physique to use is a result of specialized training.  They don't care about that training - they care about getting big.  If they didn't care about getting big and cut then they wouldn't be a great body builder...

Again, I'm not trying to start anything. It's just that, to me, you don't have much respect for the men and women of bodybuilding.

I don't think you really understand bodybuilders.  You think we don't understand them but we do.  I have trained with bodybuilders and used to post on some BB forums.  They always say things like "I got my deadlift up for 400# but I don't really care about that though because I am a body builder."

Anyone who is a bodybuilder and gets insulted that someone is saying they are "unathletic" doesn't really know what it means to be a BB and doesn't understand the sport.
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Re: This is very tough.
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2009, 07:15:13 AM »
Well, whatever man. It's just not worth trying to talk to you. Have a good day.

Speak for yourself.
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Re: This is very tough.
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2009, 07:52:17 AM »
Ehhh can someone lock this thread? thanks for the advice Steve, but this thread is turning into forum fight.

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Re: This is very tough.
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2009, 08:15:32 AM »
Wow... That was... That was something...

Chris + Steve = Great Advice

Chris + Animus = (x/z)-(2y/z) where y is Animus' opinion, and x is Chris's opinion and z equals the topic, given a number based on the amount of facts, word count, and general coherency of the topic. If number is negative or imaginary, an argument ensues. But if it equals positive number, divide by pwn, which in this case has a value of 1, to evaluate pwnage level. Of course, considering that they both post in said topic.

Animus + Steve = ???

Chris + Animus + Steve = PWNAGE * by infinity

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Sorry, I just felt like being random, by the way, I agree with this...

Ehhh can someone lock this thread? thanks for the advice Steve, but this thread is turning into forum fight.
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