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Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« on: May 10, 2009, 04:22:08 PM »
Just trying to figure out which is healthier, i can stand drinking both so whats the best(not taste wise)

Like whats better for just drinking, and whats better for a workout

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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2009, 04:50:23 PM »
water...

if you want something with flavor, try unsweetened ice tea, or those lil flavor packet things for water bottles (not too sure how healthy the are so someone correct me if theyre bad for you)
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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2009, 06:35:14 PM »
Definitely water. Something about carbonation causes nutrient deficiencies... can't seem to find what it is specifically in google.
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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2009, 06:45:52 PM »
I couldn't find it either but I have heard before that carbonation causes nutrient deficiencies as well.  Not to mention if you are running around or flipping or rolling or what have you, you might get a little gassy.

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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2009, 06:47:26 PM »
Definitely water. Something about carbonation causes nutrient deficiencies... can't seem to find what it is specifically in google.

I couldn't find it either but I have heard before that carbonation causes nutrient deficiencies as well.  Not to mention if you are running around or flipping or rolling or what have you, you might get a little gassy.

Doubtful.

Carbonation just makes the water acidic.... and your stomach is more acidic than carbonated water. So.. yeah.

But it could do a number on your teeth, throat, or esophagus all of which aren't used to strongly acid environments. Similar to problems caused by gastric reflux or throwing up too much/bulemia ... break down of teeth, etc.
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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2009, 07:42:46 PM »
Well the phrase "leeches calcium" comes to mind when I think of the carbonation thing but I can't find any sources on it... (maybe that means something? :))
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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2009, 09:57:51 PM »
Well the phrase "leeches calcium" comes to mind when I think of the carbonation thing but I can't find any sources on it... (maybe that means something? :))
As Steve already mentioned, there is no such effect (aside from a minimal effect on teeth similar to drinking orange juice... remember to brush, kids).

What the phrase "leeches calcium" should say to you is a clearly over-emotionalized non-scientific term that might be used in some urban legend about the dangers of bubble gum, government conspiracies with microchips implanted in your teeth and money, and KFC making mutant chickens that package themselves into happy meals  ::) ;)

Those sort of weird claims are usually made popular by websites that don't check their facts, and their claims are usually not about carbonation itself but about other perfectly fine things that also definitely don't "leech calcium", like phosphorus or phosphoric acid (which we know doesn't really affect calcium as it's been conclusively tested).

About the original question, that's like asking what is better between water and water with some color in it, or maybe even between water in a blue bottle or water in a red bottle.
The answer should be obvious, and the real question should be why would anybody think that adding bubbles or color or using different container shapes might make it better for you, rather than being a mostly harmless but unnecessary addition.

There is a -purely statistical- association between carbonated drinks (especially sugary sodas) and less intake of milk and proteins, which then can result in some slight decrease in bone mineralization in some groups (teenager girls from Northern Ireland, for example, but not boys from the same area). But again it's more of a correlation and not quite a cause and effect, chances are if you don't have a good diet you are less likely to drink milk and eat eggs or something and more likely to just drink sodas and doritos chips instead.

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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2009, 05:41:21 PM »
Yeah, that's more a matter of preference, nutritionally it'd basically be the same thing (I'm assuming you're talking about pure seltzer water/carbonated water with nothing else added). I personally find the taste of club soda disgusting, so I'd rather have fresh regular water.
Also, the added carbonation is most likely going to result in added price. I don't find it worth it.

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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2009, 06:50:33 PM »
Yeah, that's more a matter of preference, nutritionally it'd basically be the same thing (I'm assuming you're talking about pure seltzer water/carbonated water with nothing else added). I personally find the taste of club soda disgusting, so I'd rather have fresh regular water.
Also, the added carbonation is most likely going to result in added price. I don't find it worth it.
Agreed.  I am no informed source, but logically, I can't see ANY nutritional difference between water and water injected with carbon dioxide.  Mentioning nutritional information has no relevance assuming that by "soda water" Wes means something like Perrier or normal seltzer water.

If I'm wrong and somehow CO2 bubbles are detrimental I would definitely like to know... I have a seltzer + juice addiction.

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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2009, 07:27:54 PM »
Yeah, that's more a matter of preference, nutritionally it'd basically be the same thing (I'm assuming you're talking about pure seltzer water/carbonated water with nothing else added). I personally find the taste of club soda disgusting, so I'd rather have fresh regular water.
Also, the added carbonation is most likely going to result in added price. I don't find it worth it.
Agreed.  I am no informed source, but logically, I can't see ANY nutritional difference between water and water injected with carbon dioxide.  Mentioning nutritional information has no relevance assuming that by "soda water" Wes means something like Perrier or normal seltzer water.

If I'm wrong and somehow CO2 bubbles are detrimental I would definitely like to know... I have a seltzer + juice addiction.

haha, Well the previous discussion mentioned nothing even close to significant that's detrimental from the bubbliness, so I'll go on that.
I'd try adding seltzer water to my drinks but fizzy milk or fizzy straight green tea both don't sound very appealing :P
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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2009, 07:58:00 PM »
Yeah, that's more a matter of preference, nutritionally it'd basically be the same thing (I'm assuming you're talking about pure seltzer water/carbonated water with nothing else added). I personally find the taste of club soda disgusting, so I'd rather have fresh regular water.
Also, the added carbonation is most likely going to result in added price. I don't find it worth it.
Agreed.  I am no informed source, but logically, I can't see ANY nutritional difference between water and water injected with carbon dioxide.  Mentioning nutritional information has no relevance assuming that by "soda water" Wes means something like Perrier or normal seltzer water.

If I'm wrong and somehow CO2 bubbles are detrimental I would definitely like to know... I have a seltzer + juice addiction.

We already established that it's acidic. So if you're a chronic drinker you can have problems with something similar to gastric reflux/tooth decay. But that's only if you drink LOTS.
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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2009, 03:13:10 AM »
Drinking lots (several gallons) can be harmful to your system.  If it were up to me I'd pick regular ol' water... It is cheaper.
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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2009, 06:32:29 AM »
Yeah, that's more a matter of preference, nutritionally it'd basically be the same thing (I'm assuming you're talking about pure seltzer water/carbonated water with nothing else added). I personally find the taste of club soda disgusting, so I'd rather have fresh regular water.
Also, the added carbonation is most likely going to result in added price. I don't find it worth it.
Agreed.  I am no informed source, but logically, I can't see ANY nutritional difference between water and water injected with carbon dioxide.  Mentioning nutritional information has no relevance assuming that by "soda water" Wes means something like Perrier or normal seltzer water.

If I'm wrong and somehow CO2 bubbles are detrimental I would definitely like to know... I have a seltzer + juice addiction.

We already established that it's acidic. So if you're a chronic drinker you can have problems with something similar to gastric reflux/tooth decay. But that's only if you drink LOTS.
Well, I don't have heartburn and my teeth are fine... guess i'm safe for now.  Seltzer and juice is my soda replacement, makes me feel a little bit better than drinking the worst possible excuse for a drink that the labs have cooked up.

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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2009, 02:06:21 PM »
Drinking lots (several gallons) can be harmful to your system.  If it were up to me I'd pick regular ol' water... It is cheaper.

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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2009, 04:07:59 PM »
Carbonated drinks will also decrease your lung capacity.

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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2009, 05:37:39 PM »
Cite your source please :)

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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2009, 05:50:05 PM »
My trainer but hey, he might be wrong?

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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2009, 06:11:57 PM »
Carbonated drinks will also decrease your lung capacity.

Oh really?  Do you care to elaborate on that?
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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2009, 06:39:29 PM »
It's not really true of course, but I think he's just referring to the "belly full" effect pushing your diaphragm a little up. Nothing that a good burp wouldn't solve.
Again the bottom line is that carbonated water is nothing bad, just don't take it in excess (as you know, even too much pure water will kill you, by impairing all neurological functions and stopping your heart). Basically, about carbonated water and especially soda, Stephen Colbert said it best:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/227615/may-13-2009/stephen-s-coke-party-protest

(also, the link about "could be harmful" was not properly typed, here is the correct address http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-07/will-drinking-carbonated-beverages-weaken-my-bones, but keep in mind that if you actually read what the article is saying, the actual answer to the question "will it weaken your bones?" is essentially a simple "NO", it doesn't weaken your bones, just don't drink it instead of milk though).
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Re: Whats better, Water vs Soda water
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2009, 09:18:35 PM »
Carbonated drinks will also decrease your lung capacity.

Oh really?  Do you care to elaborate on that?

Like I said, my trainer and he could be wrong. I just stay away from carbonated drinks (sorry if I was posting false info)