Topic: new movements

[Blackhand]

i think i created some new movements but im not sure if they would be considered parkour or free runing any ways i did a 180 percision and a 360 percision. not sure if theve been recorded being done yet so have they?

[max eisenberg]

i think i created some new movements but im not sure if they would be considered parkour or free runing any ways i did a 180 percision and a 360 percision. not sure if theve been recorded being done yet so have they?

yes

[Blackhand]

man that sucks it toke me  2 days to get my landing right. well back 2 the drawing board i guess. maybe a 1440 percision.

[Adam McC]

A. It's "Precision", not "percision"

B. Don't worry about having to make up new movements. Those will occur in the middle of your flow when you least expect it.

[max eisenberg]

im sorry but everything you could ever think of has more than likely been done at one point or another in history.

humans have been on this planet for 10k plus years, somewhere along the line someone did something you did.

the goal is not to do tricks, its to learn about yourself and the way you move, not to impress people.

[Blackhand]

true but i still want 2 do somthing new or do somthing that hasnt been done yet  but i guess i have 2 work for it

[Todd1]

Good luck my friend.  As Eisenberg said, it has all been done before.  You can spin, flip, hop, jump anyway you like, but someone else has already done it.  In a way it's like skateboarding.  All the tricks have already been done, anything new that comes up is just a variation on a pre-existing trick or a combination.  I don't mean to call the movements of parkour tricks, I'm just making a comparison.  What's important is not that you create something entirely new, but rather that you do something that is new to you.  It's about your individual progression and style, not what everyone else is doing.  Make it your own and don't worry about what has or hasn't been done yet.  BTW we were doing 180 and 360 precisions 30 years ago before we knew anything about anything.  It was just fun, we weren't trying to create something new or practicing "precisions."  It was jump and spin and land on this spot.  The point is don't be trapped by a parkour "moves-list," it's about efficiency and flow.  As Adam said, and I am paraphrasing, but let the environment dictate your movements, don't try to force your movements on your environment.  If you are flowing things just kind of happen, and sometimes you create something new just because a particular obstacle requires a flexible approach and a set list of moves won't work.

P.S. If you pull off a 1440 precision, I want video. (That's a lot of spinning, 1080 would be hard enough.)

[Graham Hughes]

Good luck my friend.  As Eisenberg said, it has all been done before.  You can spin, flip, hop, jump anyway you like, but someone else has already done it.  In a way it's like skateboarding.  All the tricks have already been done, anything new that comes up is just a variation on a pre-existing trick or a combination.  I don't mean to call the movements of parkour tricks, I'm just making a comparison.  What's important is not that you create something entirely new, but rather that you do something that is new to you.  It's about your individual progression and style, not what everyone else is doing.  Make it your own and don't worry about what has or hasn't been done yet.  BTW we were doing 180 and 360 precisions 30 years ago before we knew anything about anything.  It was just fun, we weren't trying to create something new or practicing "precisions."  It was jump and spin and land on this spot.  The point is don't be trapped by a parkour "moves-list," it's about efficiency and flow.  As Adam said, and I am paraphrasing, but let the environment dictate your movements, don't try to force your movements on your environment.  If you are flowing things just kind of happen, and sometimes you create something new just because a particular obstacle requires a flexible approach and a set list of moves won't work.

P.S. If you pull off a 1440 precision, I want video. (That's a lot of spinning, 1080 would be hard enough.)

QFT  +1

[hardcoretraceur]

there are plenty of ways to move that you haven't yet though, and that is what's important. Forget trying to do things that noone has done, work on things that you haven't : )


but if it really bugs you, I have to say that I don't think it's as beaten a path as some people might lead you to believe. I have had countless people show me movements that I had never seen before.


On the skateboarding note I'm gonna have to disagree, I think there is still a lot out there, most people just arent pushing the boundaries. If you look at people like Daewon Song and Rodney Mullen they are really expanding the vocabulary of skateboarding, even now. I've seen things like 540 laser flips, semi flips, frontward flips. Maybe these are old hat now but I certainly don't remember them being around when I was skating a few years back, and when you look at these moves and how young the kids that are doing them are you have to see the potential for growth.

[max eisenberg]

there are plenty of ways to move that you haven't yet though, and that is what's important. Forget trying to do things that noone has done, work on things that you haven't : )


but if it really bugs you, I have to say that I don't think it's as beaten a path as some people might lead you to believe. I have had countless people show me movements that I had never seen before.


On the skateboarding note I'm gonna have to disagree, I think there is still a lot out there, most people just arent pushing the boundaries. If you look at people like Daewon Song and Rodney Mullen they are really expanding the vocabulary of skateboarding, even now. I've seen things like 540 laser flips, semi flips, frontward flips. Maybe these are old hat now but I certainly don't remember them being around when I was skating a few years back, and when you look at these moves and how young the kids that are doing them are you have to see the potential for growth.

alot of what they do are just variations. its like the 360 flip, its a variation of a shove it and a kick flip...

[hardcoretraceur]

i think that's a pretty weak argument there. that's like saying a full is just a backtuck and a 360.

[Blackhand]

there are plenty of ways to move that you haven't yet though, and that is what's important. Forget trying to do things that noone has done, work on things that you haven't : )


but if it really bugs you, I have to say that I don't think it's as beaten a path as some people might lead you to believe. I have had countless people show me movements that I had never seen before.


On the skateboarding note I'm gonna have to disagree, I think there is still a lot out there, most people just arent pushing the boundaries. If you look at people like Daewon Song and Rodney Mullen they are really expanding the vocabulary of skateboarding, even now. I've seen things like 540 laser flips, semi flips, frontward flips. Maybe these are old hat now but I certainly don't remember them being around when I was skating a few years back, and when you look at these moves and how young the kids that are doing them are you have to see the potential for growth.

yea i see what you mean thanks for the info by the way ill just keep pushing myself lol maybe ill do a 740 back tuck precision one day.

[hardcoretraceur]

Awesome man, Train safe and apply yourself and Im sure you can get it one day!

[max eisenberg]

i think that's a pretty weak argument there. that's like saying a full is just a backtuck and a 360.

and how is it not? im curious how a back full isnt a 360 rotation and a backflip combined...

[hardcoretraceur]

only because you are over-simplifying a complex technique. to go back to the tre flip I would argue that the back foot scoop is the most important part. while the front foot certainly aids in lateral rotation the scoop is the driving force behind the trick. your foot placement and action is very different from a 360 shuvit or a kickflip. the amount of force, the pop, the scoop, the flick, the weight shifting and the foot drag are going to be very different depending on what you intend to do.

[Matt Hudson]

i think i created some new movements but im not sure if they would be considered parkour or free runing any ways i did a 180 percision and a 360 percision. not sure if theve been recorded being done yet so have they?

due to my current impatience, I'll simply say freerunning is more your game than parkour. Best to practice both though.

[max eisenberg]

only because you are over-simplifying a complex technique. to go back to the tre flip I would argue that the back foot scoop is the most important part. while the front foot certainly aids in lateral rotation the scoop is the driving force behind the trick. your foot placement and action is very different from a 360 shuvit or a kickflip. the amount of force, the pop, the scoop, the flick, the weight shifting and the foot drag are going to be very different depending on what you intend to do.

its still a variation and a combination of two other things, thats all my point was. im not saying its easy because its a backflip with a 360. im just saying its a backflip with a 360.

it is a combination, its pretty stupid to sit there and argue that point.

[hardcoretraceur]

i think you should try to explain your point a little better. i have yet to see your side of it as anything but cynical.

talking is a variation of making a sound, but there are things left to be said, tremendous insightful combinations of words that already exist and are unique in and of themselves.

i would prefer in the future if you refrained from calling me or anyone else stupid on these forums. and yes, insinuating my stupidity is equivelant to calling me it, judging from your previous answers you would likely call out my lack of distinction there

[Jereme Sanders]

Like a bunch of people said before me, its about working what you've never worked before, just progress in every facet you can and I'm sure there will be things you do that are unique its kind of the nature of Parkour, its not so much in doing new movements, while it does happen and sometime randomly (like the crossbow right Jesse? haha) I've found that anytime I do something I haven't done before its thanks to the environment and my specific interactions with it, not thinking about trying something new, its just by toying with the abilites of my body, advancing and then going for it you know. Best of luck man

[jorgeDominik]

i think you should try to explain your point a little better. i have yet to see your side of it as anything but cynical.

talking is a variation of making a sound, but there are things left to be said, tremendous insightful combinations of words that already exist and are unique in and of themselves.

i would prefer in the future if you refrained from calling me or anyone else stupid on these forums. and yes, insinuating my stupidity is equivelant to calling me it, judging from your previous answers you would likely call out my lack of distinction there

combinations of words:
water is unique in and of itself
but JUDGING FROM YOUR LOGIC::
it isn't JUST hydrogen and oxygen= because thats an oversimplification of a complex cocept    

-the complexity of something DOESN'T change it's components


water will always be simplified into H₂O
a tre flip will always be a 360shuv it+Kickflip

it still consist of a lateral flip and a 360 spin.. just because it's harder doesn't mean it isn't a variation/combination of two different movements
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i think that's a pretty weak argument there. that's like saying a full is just a backtuck and a 360.

the inventor of a "full" was doing a backtuck and a 360- seeing as how the word didn't exist till after he landed it

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