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Offline Benjamin Hanowell

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proper running technique
« on: June 07, 2006, 01:21:38 AM »
Hey, guys.  I've got a heavy martial arts background and my training regimen included no running aside from hill-running.  All of my cardio was done sparring and practicing forms.  Anyway, now I'm into Parkour, and running is a lot more important, particularly badass running that gets you places quick and doesn't leave your heels in dire need of painkillers. 

I've got a lot of chronic injuries, one of which is a heel injury that I first sustained when I was a dumbass newb and tried to axe-kick somebody in the stomach and missed.  Every once in a while it rears its ugly head.  Recently, I reinjured it while doing precision training, but I think that my running technique has something to do with it, too.  See, when I was training martial arts, a lot of emphasis was place on using the entire surface of your foot to move, rocking it from heel to toe.  I've heard some people talking about their heels barely touching the ground when they run.  Seeing as I trained to rock my entire foot across the ground, maybe I'm running wrong.  Can someone give me some info on proper running technique?

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Re: proper running technique
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2006, 01:31:24 AM »
Our feet are meant to absorb shock from a landing on our toes, or mostly on our toes with the heel-strike being inconsequential. Running shoes put extra padding on the heel which reinforces improper technique and leads to a whole host of overuse injuries!

Check out:

http://www.americanparkour.com/content/view/168/247/

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http://www.posetech.com/

I've personally read Chi running and really enjoyed it. I've heard lots of great things about the Pose method. Both suggest more ball-of-the-foot based impact.

Hope this helps!

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Re: proper running technique
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2006, 06:59:17 AM »
Thanks, man.  I figured as much.  It doesn't make sense to use the heel for rapid running movement.  Smooth, rapid movement that is not running on the other hand I understand.  It also helps with power transfer when you're shifting your weight in the follow-through of a punch, especially if perfectly timed with hip, leg, core, and weapon movement.

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Re: proper running technique
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2006, 07:06:52 AM »
Don't know if that's what gear just posted, but here are the two that I learned:

Long distance running: Basically "lean forward" all the time and let gravity pull you down. As it pulls you down you need to put a feet forward to avoid a face plant, and you just repeat this simple process of temporarily restoring/losing equilibrium all the time. Try to land on the tip of your toes more than on your heel too. Don't rely excusively on your toes though but allow some steps to roll from heel to toe to preserve strenght in your calves if you're in for the long run. Tip-of-the-toes running is pretty tiring if you're not used to it so you have to build up to that. And in the end it'll give you monsterican calves too  ;D

Speed: This is the one I learned for the 100m hurdles dash, but I'm pretty sure it applies to any time you need to run fast. You try to take big steps (as long as you can make them) and at every step you "grab" the ground and literraly pull it towards you. This is done by planting the tip of your toes down and back very hard. Your heel won't really touch the ground in that kind of technique, but since you're running for short distances it doesn't really matter. Even though it won't confer you a great advantage on a ashpalted street, you need to try this one out with athletism spikes on a real track. I dropped my time by several 0,10's of seconds when I first learned it.

Now I don't really know how the second one would apply to parkour as we rarely use max effort dashes in our runs (at least I don't). Could be useful if you applied parkour to escaping from something/someone though. The first technique, on the other hand, looks VERY fluid and with a little practice is also a very good way to preserve energy while still running a good pace. I use it almost every time I run.

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Re: proper running technique
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2006, 08:04:49 AM »
Thanks, Princess.  You truly are the princess of running advice.  I love the advice I get on these boards.

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Re: proper running technique
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2006, 08:36:21 AM »
Cool man, you're welcome.

Off topic, I know, but just to make sure my name didn't confuse too many people: I'm a guy  ;D

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Re: proper running technique
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2006, 10:58:09 AM »
lol

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Re: proper running technique
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2006, 11:31:58 AM »
Lol. Princess? Where does that come from then?

OMG i just realized your a SISSY GUY. (Sarcasm smily)


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Re: proper running technique
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2006, 11:53:42 AM »
Well that goes way back to the first parkour site I ever joined. The name I wanted was PrincePK (I'm an old fan of the early Prince of Persia games) but it was taken. So I said "f#ck it" and took PrincessPK. And I carried the name on to every other parkour forum that I joined since then. Kinda dumb I guess, I could've picked just about anything else, but heh I don't really care.

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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2006, 11:56:14 AM »
 ;D And here i was thinking you were a girl. Lol. Cheers to you for being secure in your internet masculinity.


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Re: proper running technique
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2006, 06:47:45 PM »
once you're used to running on your balls, (of the feet) I recommend barefoot running.  It really reinforces the idea of not landing on your heels, as doing so without shoes will cause massive suckaga.  also, it strengthens all of your running muscles in unbelievable ways, including the ankles.  This means you are less prone to injuring your lower body system, which is sweet for parkour.

good luck!

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Re: proper running technique
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2006, 07:10:22 PM »
aight, first off :) my opinion.

chi running is a bunk book.  if it can get by by saying things like, running with a constant acceleration (paraphrased of course) by eliminating braking forces, well, its just dumb.  in other words "run faster, and you can make it so that you can run in a forever state of acceleration"  sorry, dont mean to sound pissy.

anyway, as for running on your toes, i have an argument for why not.  :) sorry guys

biomechanically, the foot has a bone in it called the talus, which shifts back and forth over the calcaneous with each step and movement.  in each step, the talus moves back and forth twice, meaning 4 separate movements.  these movements, especially when pronating, provide a shock absorber, braking mechanism that cuts out up to about 7 times the force from the vertical axis.  when you think about it then, running from your heals is very important where up to 3 times your body weight in newtons is striking in each step over a fraction of a second.

 By running on your toes, you are making your muscles do all that work that was meant for the mechanics in your joints to do for you.  in addition, by activating muscles out of their proper order, you are training your muscles off of the normal gait pattern which can then in turn affect normal gait and lead to longer term susceptablility to injury.  therefore as a occasional, landing on your toes is fine (because the muscles, yes, are more capable of absorbing force), but to train your body to do so in a normal gait pattern can lead to long term injury.  therefore i would recommend normal running with the heel strike first.  biomechanically speaking of course.  if your trying to sneak up on someone, by all means :)

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Re: proper running technique
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2006, 02:13:13 PM »
yes cheetaur, there is that structure in the heel as you said, but it's not meant to be landed upon.

when you run, it should be ball-heel-ball.  your heel will touch, but with minimal force, as those bones can only take minimal force.  your muscles should be taking quite a bit of the load.  as I'm not wanting to explain everything, check out this beauty of an article:

http://www.runningbarefoot.org/?name=HowRunBarefootOtherwise2001July29Saxton

i know, it's long, but its worth the read

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Re: proper running technique
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2006, 03:40:18 PM »
Ok.  I don't know how this all fits in but according to my running coach, podiatrist, and a running book I read, everone has their own specific foot mechanics.  Some people naturally "heel strike" some "midsrike" and some naturally run on their toes.  Whatever way you run naturally, this IS the most efficient way for you.  Trying to change the movement may result in injury.  the only exception would be for people who are extreme heel strikers to the point that it loses some of the forward momentum. 

Generally, when going on a distance run, you roll from your heel to your toe.  The majority of people run this way.  If someone naturally runs on their toes, even when jogging, they usually do not look naturall.  I have a friend like this.  The whole run he leans forward and runs on his toes.  He makes loud scuffing noises every time his toes hit the ground as well.  I am begining to notice my little brother does this as well.  It is as loud as a hippo.

Now if someone that doesn't naturally run this way tries to run on their heels, they look quite funny to, but in a different way.  They are used to runing standing fairly straight up instead of leaning forward.  So when they run on their toes, they stand sraight up and "prance" from toe to toe which forces them to bring thier knees up very high.  This is not efficient or naturall looking.

I have been writing about distance running.  When the pace increases however, form changes.  The faster you are going, the more you need to shift to your toes.  This is a natural tendency that just makes sense.  For something like a 100 meter sprint, the athlete would be up on their toes the whole way.  Some people however CAN'T run on their toes!  These people are not sprinters and the best they can do is heel toe as fast as they can. 

I don't believe that people should be trying to change their running forms in their parkour.  There is no way that a traceur will be going at a 100 meter pace.  When I run the 400 meter dash (1 lap), I don't even run the whole thing on my toes.  At the begining and end for sure but in the middle, I roll slightly off my midfoot to my toes.  A guy that went to my school last year ran 49.18 on the 400 meters.  He was league champion and is now the fastest 400 er at Harvard.  He has extremely long legs and heelstrikes the whole way around the track.  He barely bends his knees.  The point is, run how you naturally feel you should when doing parkour.  Obviously you are still on your toes alot due to the fact you often need to explosively jump or hop skip in preparation for a vault.  When you are just running though, heel toe is the smothest way.  You gently roll with the momentum and then push off to continue it.  When you run on your toes, every time you plant your foot, you are stopping the motion by planting down.  This loses horizontal movement.



As for barefoot running:  I understand the concept and all, but it doesn't work for anyone but those who naturally have perfect form.  I'm talking side to side now.  My feet are extremely pronated (they roll in).  This give the appearance that I have flat feet when i am barefoot.  But people with flat feet lack an arc in their bone structure.  My bone structure does not lack arc but my tendons can not support the arc to stand up as it should.  Instead, my foot rolls in.  When i went to get my running shoes, my coach recognized this so he got me a shoe with a lot of support.  I still got tendonitis in my achilies and in another tendon that is on the inside of the foot (can't remember the name).  I had to go to physical therapy for months and then I went to a podiatrist.  He explained everything to me and made me custom prescription orthodics (insoles).  They have helped me alot (they better, they cost 500 bucks!!).    As soon as I tried to race without them however, i nearly got a stress fracture.  My podiatrist said that the support of shoes and orhtodics improve biomechanics and efficiency to the point that you can never run as efficiently barefoot as you could with them. 

Also, pronation is in no way a rare condition.  Many people have it and don't know until they start running or playing a sport involving running.

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Re: proper running technique
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2006, 05:38:51 PM »
with my personal experience, they told me that i hella pronate with my right foot.  I trusted them because i had horrible shin splints and minor knee tendonitis in that leg. things only got worse, so i ran barefoot, switched from heel-toe to ball-heel-ball, and now i run faster, with no problems.

so yea you're really the most correct here entity, that everyone is different and should try out what works best for them. 

ps, careful about doctors.  usually a specific doctor's practice (i.e podietry) is partially funded by private business.  therefore, doctor recommended stuff is not always the best/true. (usually it's good, but just be careful) example: vioxx
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