Author Topic: Final Nike Zoom Carapace concept with boards (Read 24896 times)

VD23 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 24, 2009, 07:30:30 PM »

Berky- thanks for that info. I'm gonna look into that.

What have you guys found works best for tread patterns in existing products?

Rafe · « **Reply #41 on:** March 24, 2009, 10:39:00 PM »

I think a shallow waffle tread is the best in my experience, total flat gives the best grip on dry walls and rock but really bites for wet or muddy conditions. Straight horizontal lines get gummed up and straight vertical lines just take away surface area without adding much traction.

VD23 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:02:07 AM »

Thanks Rafe, that helps.

Does this toe down look better guys?

Lonnie Tisdale · « **Reply #43 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:31:32 AM »

Looking good VD23!

I think good tread depends more on the rubber than on the pattern but I'm a big fan of Evolv's Escapists and and Rex line. Aside from the Trax, High-Friction rubber, the tread is made up of thick, dimpled circles that act sort of like suction cups with a few solid lines coming at an angle in the heal and toes. My biggest complaint is the flat area near the toes which makes for very little grip when doing quadrupedal work on rails.

Here's en example:

I also had a pair of Osiris skate shoes that had great grip despite the rubber used. I cant find any pictures but basically it was just a bunch of little cricles that came about a centimeter off the shoe and acted like "fingers" that would grip all kinds of surfaces.

I hope that helps!

VD23 · « **Reply #44 on:** March 26, 2009, 07:51:41 AM »

Thanks Lonnie! I hope to get to the bottom this weekend!

-TH

TraceurZero · « **Reply #45 on:** March 28, 2009, 09:49:16 PM »

Dude I hate to sound like the vast majority. But all I have to say is: DO IT.

VD23 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 29, 2009, 12:42:29 AM »

Thanks man! I got the medial hashed out, still workin' on the bottom. This version I added a stretchable white sheen mesh behind the cutaways of the CMEVA to keep rocks etc out of the shoe.

Chris Kessler · « **Reply #47 on:** March 29, 2009, 08:32:13 AM »

New logo is tight, Tony. I'm digging these. Hope it goes somewhere for you and us.

Alex B · « **Reply #48 on:** March 29, 2009, 12:23:19 PM »

I thought there was always a mesh there. It would probably be uncomfortable after a long time out, because, as you said, objects would get in the shoe.

and I like the new symbol as well. its more modern, and I love modern design.

meamaslimjim · « **Reply #49 on:** March 29, 2009, 01:39:06 PM »

For some reason, the split toe looks a bit uncomfortable to me... of course, I'll try it on to see for myself when/if it comes out on the market.
The new logo, like berky93 said, is modern and cool. I like it

Casquinha · « **Reply #50 on:** March 29, 2009, 04:16:30 PM »

Quote from: meamaslimjim on March 29, 2009, 01:39:06 PM

For some reason, the split toe looks a bit uncomfortable to me... of course, I'll try it on to see for myself when/if it comes out on the market.
The new logo, like berky93 said, is modern and cool. I like it

Split toes are actually very comfortable, but they take a bit of getting used to.

VD23 · « **Reply #51 on:** March 29, 2009, 10:59:05 PM »

Here's what I was thinking for the bottom plate. It carries a flex groove formation similar to the nike free shoes (though since this is a flat rubber bottom, they are not AS deep and flexible) with horizontal and vertical ridges arranged to provide traction from different directions. Pretty simple and straight forward since the upper is a lot to digest.

Chris Kessler · « **Reply #52 on:** March 30, 2009, 07:32:43 AM »

That looks pretty sweet. However, it looks like it could wear away pretty fast. Are the production costs of such a sole worth the wear-length? How well would the ridges hold up? Do you have a projected life of the sole(taking into account the training levels of many of the higher experienced traceurs)?

VD23 · « **Reply #53 on:** March 30, 2009, 07:52:45 AM »

I don't think any of that could really be known without testing it. What makes it "look" like it would wear fast? Someone on Generations said the flex grooves tear out. Should it just be a smooth siped bottom maybe???

Bowdz · « **Reply #54 on:** March 30, 2009, 08:27:09 AM »

Just from experience, my Nike Free's groove's wore out within a few weeks of solid distance running. I love the design so far though. Keep up the good work!

Nathan Coleman · « **Reply #55 on:** March 30, 2009, 10:30:58 AM »

i think it looks like the sole would wear fast cause of the individual grooves. usually they just fall off.
ive been training with like random(non parkour) pumas for awhile(just got me some Ariakes!!!) and they have a flat sole and they havent worn out much after the months ive been using them.
but these shoes are seriously amazing i want them soo bad!

Lonnie Tisdale · « **Reply #56 on:** March 30, 2009, 10:42:09 AM »

Looking awesome as usual VD. I really like the new logo as well. Not much to say about the tread pattern... that's just something I'd have to experiment with before I could say one way or another.

Chris Kessler · « **Reply #57 on:** March 30, 2009, 10:50:36 AM »

It just seems to me that such small grooves, being so thin, would wear away quickly. I use the K-Swiss Ariake and have never felt a better grip from a shoe. I'm sure you re familiar with the flat fore-sole (if I can call it that) with grooves to repel water. However, I have never worn them when it has rained, or used them on very wet surfaces, so I can not attest to the worth of such groves.

But, I feel that the sole you have right now, with or without grooves will be great. If the grooves wear away, then you are left with a dozen or so squares of flat material which will still work well.

An idea, though. Having a sole with "back-ups." The sole should be designed with 3 layers. First layer, the grooves. Second layer, the squares. Third layer, a flat surface under the squares. Now, these layers in a regular shoe would already be produced. BUT, they would not be produced to TAKE OVER, should the other layers wear away. For instance, if the tread on a running shoe wear away, you are left with a worthless running shoe.

So, the third layer of the Carapace should be designed to take over for the other layers (grooves/squares) should they wear away, instead of just being there for the squares to be attached to. This creates a longer lasting sole.

Just a thought.

VD23 · « **Reply #58 on:** March 30, 2009, 01:20:51 PM »

Well now I don't know...lol. If the very flat rubber works good, and the ridges work good until they wear off...then you can have an outsole with rdges for a few weeks, then will be left with a smooth rubber bottom which will be equally as good

Alex B · « **Reply #59 on:** March 30, 2009, 03:26:59 PM »

i love the sole design, it has those ridges which you know I like. plus it looks really cool.

just make sure that if these ever go into production, you use a single piece of rubber for the soles, instead of layering different rubbers. many companies "layer" the rubber in the sole so they can use multiple colors, but two pieces fused is never as durable as one single piece. It's worth sacrificing design for function. (this may be why the individual panels on many shoes come off so quickly - they're held on by the fusion of 2 materials, not one single material)

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