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Hi All!!

I know that APK has visitors from all over the world - but we don't hear from many of you very often.

I'd like to know if this is because

- You don't care about forums / online discussions

- There is another forum where "the parkour world" discusses things

- Something else is holding you back from discussing things here



And more importantly -

How can APK help to unite Traceurs and Freerunners across the globe?



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Re: International Relations - Traceurs outside USA please check in!
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2011, 02:14:59 PM »
I'm a Malaysian studying in the United States. I guess I can offer my perspective on this matter. First off, I am kinda an active member of these forums, the General Fitness section in particular is a gold mine and has helped me immensely. The main reason I'm here is to learn and occasionally discuss parkour stuff.

As for why don't more international traceurs come to the discussion, i guess the name American Parkour kinda gives the impression that it is very, well, America focused. How many americans would frequent a forum called British Parkour, for example? If I wanted to find more people near me (assuming I'm home), I'd probably go to a local forum instead. Not that there is a big enough community in my country to have discussions like in this forum.

I don't know if there is another english forum out there where "the parkour world" talks about stuff, AFAIK googling "parkour forum" and APK pops up as the first result. As for attracting international traceurs to the forums, I think a potential name change could help, as help as organizing events in other countries with either american or local traceurs.

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Re: International Relations - Traceurs outside USA please check in!
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2011, 08:29:29 PM »
Well, I'm not too far away, just North of your borders but that's still outside the USA.

I'm from central Canada. I found out about parkour from YT videos, and actually found Mark's APK Basic Tutorials, and that is what lead me here.

I knew I was an outsider, but I also knew there was a lot of people here who would be willing to help me work on Parkour. I enjoy using the forums, and I've been fairly active on here since registering. I think anybody with half a brain would know these forums are loaded with information, extremely useful information, so I don't think that is holding anybody back.

However, as Leland has said, the name "American Parkour" is very isolated. Most interpret that as USA, which, I think I'm safe to say, is the general idea. I know that APK is the driving force behind these boards, keeping them running and such, but a simple name change from "American Parkour" to "World Parkour" would probably see a huge jump in international users. This way, it opens the gate right away for more users from around the world to come and discuss everything and anything. Boards could be added as needed, categories created.

Now, if there is a case of APK wanting to keep their name on the boards and such, because they are the ones keeping the boards afloat, you could simply change the top banner. You could change it from a giant American Parkour banner to something that says "Sponsored by American Parkour" and have links on the boards to take people back to APK website and such. That way you show you guys are footing the bill and care about the forums, but right away, from the title of the site, people see it is an international deal.


Another idea could be to simply try and advertise on other boards for different areas of the globe. I believe Europe/Brittan has their own boards, and maybe post an advertisement post (if it falls within their rules and regulations of course) saying your trying to develop an international forum @ these forums. That way word could get out that it is not just for Americans, but for English, French, Spanish, Russian, Ukrainian, Asian, etc. people too.

Just my 2 cents worth :)
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Re: International Relations - Traceurs outside USA please check in!
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2011, 05:06:18 PM »
Hello! I'm currently in Okinawa, Japan.
It's a tropical setting, but as a military member my activities here are limited. MPs on base don't exactly care for us, and many of the civilians off base look for reasons to argue that military members shouldn't leave their bases.

I visit the site from time to time, but I've been rather preoccupied preparing to move to California. Hopefully I'll have a chance to start from scratch there.
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Re: International Relations - Traceurs outside USA please check in!
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2011, 01:49:14 AM »
Hi Mark.  I'm Sam from New Zealand.  I've been training since the parkour.net days, about 5 years or so, and I've seen various forums in the world come and go in this time.

There seems to be a world-wide trend in parkour circles that is seeing less people use forums.  All forums seem to go up and down in their usage but there are a number of factors contributing to the overall decline of use:

1. Facebook seems to be the way people organise themselves these days which seems strange to me in a parkour context.  I understand that it makes the whole social thing easier, which is a huge reason people get into parkour, but a forum seems like a better format for permanent information and collaboration.  Parkour is about growing and building, as a community as well as individuals, but that is not a perspective noticed by most people starting who are focused on their first moves.

2. Local forums are better for organising regular trainings and nobody wants to get lost in a huge (international?) faceless crowd.  Especially if they are a beginner.

3. This may not be the case here but many forums tend to change their format just as they get to a point where they have solved all of the world's problems.  The repository of great information that the community has put together is often lost and that frustrates and drives away those "wise ones" who have helped to build things.

4. Those of us who are old hands at the parkour forums are less likely to engage beginners because we can either link them to an answer or just don't get involved because it's boring to us to say the same thing over and over.  I really think that it is up to us to make an effort to engage beginners with our experience so that they feel a part of the community.  If we just fob them off with a link or expect them to use the search function all the time then those community connections suffer.  They need to work through the issues that we did and we just have to be patient I think.

5. As always, there is a limited amount of time that we each have and it's only a dedicated (crazy) few who can cover so much ground.  I used to visit lots of websites around the world but when I got married I didn't have time so I just stuck to our local forum and the parkour generations forum since I preferred to keep in contact with that side of the world - where people from the early days visited and the influence of the founders was greatest.  Since they changed it up yet again, I've lost contact and roam a little more again.  I actually got hooked here because of the Gorilla PK section (I lost 80+lbs through my parkour journey)

6. Experienced traceurs tend to end up doing their own thing (branching out into martial arts for instance) or just focusing on their personal training.


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]How can APK help to unite Traceurs and Freerunners across the globe?
I think this is an empty goal without giving a reason for uniting.  My reason for getting involved in international forums is to meet new people, observe international trends, develop friendships and contacts with like-minded people around the world, and through all of this help to make the world a better place by contributing positive things I've learned.

I don't think we'll ever see a large number of international visitors to any forum, but we can try to preserve the wisdom and presence of those who are experienced and who are the backbone of our local and world-wide communities.  But in doing this we need to be aware of the needs of beginners and not alienate them.  We also need to recognise that it might take another 10+ years before there are sufficient numbers of dedicated and committed (experienced) practitioners in the world with a shared dream.  The face of the internet will be very different by then!

Hopefully there are a few ideas within all of that to help the thought processes.  I would love to see more links internationally so I hope we can come up with something.

All the best,

Sam

PS.  Hope my Kiwi spelling doesn't throw you too much  ;)
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Re: International Relations - Traceurs outside USA please check in!
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2011, 11:15:19 AM »
Guangjun from Singapore here.

it's kinda funny because I actually had some password problems previously that prevented me from login into APK.

But I do not discuss Parkour on any forums at all, not even on my local ones. So it's not this forum in particular.

As the correspondent from Singapore, I did try to get one of the local videos featured through the APK channel but there seems to have been some issues there. Does anyone know what happened?


I guess Parkour is more about training to me, so I most organise training sessions locally and work on guiding the beginners. I don't do much beyond that.



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Re: International Relations - Traceurs outside USA please check in!
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2011, 11:45:57 AM »
Hello Guys!!
I am Brahinem from Morocco- Marrakech. founder of Moroccan Parkour.
I don't know but I had problems with logging into my profile in APK, and when i changed the password i couldn't log in even.. i tried many times and i got bored. the reason i wasn't updated with the APK website and forum... but i'm not on any other forum except our Marrakech parkour official facebook page, that i invite everyone here to visit and support. www.facebook.com/marrakechparkour   we are the official Parkour Team of Marrakech.
.... from this review I'm asking all parkour practitionners to keep Parkour Original and True, and not mix it with other sport and cultures...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE  this is not what david and Yamakasi would want to see.. for all founders and professionals traceurs; do your best to keep parkour 100% parkour and correct many many people's misunderstood ideas about parkour..    I love parkour and I feel jealous and sad about what is going on in the world of misunderstandings...

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Re: International Relations - Traceurs outside USA please check in!
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2011, 10:53:34 PM »
Hey Brahinem, same thing for me, I couldn't change my password from the coded one they gave me last time. I just managed to change it.

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Re: International Relations - Traceurs outside USA please check in!
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2011, 01:51:15 AM »
Hi guys,

My name is Dan and I'm from Romania. I don't really post on APK because I am fairly active on the Romanian Parkour community (www.traceurs.ro) where I need to moderate discussions and keep posting traceurs on track. Maybe I should come to APK more often... help build the international community.

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Re: International Relations - Traceurs outside USA please check in!
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2011, 06:50:04 AM »
Hi Mark.  I'm Sam from New Zealand.  I've been training since the parkour.net days, about 5 years or so, and I've seen various forums in the world come and go in this time.

There seems to be a world-wide trend in parkour circles that is seeing less people use forums.  All forums seem to go up and down in their usage but there are a number of factors contributing to the overall decline of use:

1. Facebook seems to be the way people organise themselves these days which seems strange to me in a parkour context.  I understand that it makes the whole social thing easier, which is a huge reason people get into parkour, but a forum seems like a better format for permanent information and collaboration.  Parkour is about growing and building, as a community as well as individuals, but that is not a perspective noticed by most people starting who are focused on their first moves.

2. Local forums are better for organising regular trainings and nobody wants to get lost in a huge (international?) faceless crowd.  Especially if they are a beginner.

3. This may not be the case here but many forums tend to change their format just as they get to a point where they have solved all of the world's problems.  The repository of great information that the community has put together is often lost and that frustrates and drives away those "wise ones" who have helped to build things.

4. Those of us who are old hands at the parkour forums are less likely to engage beginners because we can either link them to an answer or just don't get involved because it's boring to us to say the same thing over and over.  I really think that it is up to us to make an effort to engage beginners with our experience so that they feel a part of the community.  If we just fob them off with a link or expect them to use the search function all the time then those community connections suffer.  They need to work through the issues that we did and we just have to be patient I think.

5. As always, there is a limited amount of time that we each have and it's only a dedicated (crazy) few who can cover so much ground.  I used to visit lots of websites around the world but when I got married I didn't have time so I just stuck to our local forum and the parkour generations forum since I preferred to keep in contact with that side of the world - where people from the early days visited and the influence of the founders was greatest.  Since they changed it up yet again, I've lost contact and roam a little more again.  I actually got hooked here because of the Gorilla PK section (I lost 80+lbs through my parkour journey)

6. Experienced traceurs tend to end up doing their own thing (branching out into martial arts for instance) or just focusing on their personal training.

I think this is an empty goal without giving a reason for uniting.  My reason for getting involved in international forums is to meet new people, observe international trends, develop friendships and contacts with like-minded people around the world, and through all of this help to make the world a better place by contributing positive things I've learned.

I don't think we'll ever see a large number of international visitors to any forum, but we can try to preserve the wisdom and presence of those who are experienced and who are the backbone of our local and world-wide communities.  But in doing this we need to be aware of the needs of beginners and not alienate them.  We also need to recognise that it might take another 10+ years before there are sufficient numbers of dedicated and committed (experienced) practitioners in the world with a shared dream.  The face of the internet will be very different by then!

Hopefully there are a few ideas within all of that to help the thought processes.  I would love to see more links internationally so I hope we can come up with something.

All the best,

Sam

PS.  Hope my Kiwi spelling doesn't throw you too much  ;)
Mark, he just summed it up pretty well.
These have been my observations over the years as well.

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Re: International Relations - Traceurs outside USA please check in!
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2011, 03:31:27 PM »
I live over at Okinawa,Japan. I've lived here most of my life and have been training since 2009 of September.

Not many people here actually train parkour so I train alone 99% of the time. Met some pretty skilled Free Runners last year but they were Okinawan so I had no way to communicate with them. My Japanese buddies had to translate.

I don't do much but train during the week. Not much to do living on a Military Base and all the walls here are thickly painted so it's hard to practice during the rain, it rains ALOT over here! Hopefully this summer I can walk off base and look for more obstacles.! ;)

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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2011, 06:09:23 AM »
From England.

This forum is probably the best in the world as far as discussion and debate goes. Since we lost .Net and WWJ all those years ago, APK has been the only forum that really lives up to that same stature as a hub for traceurs across the world to come and share their thoughts and experiences. Having said that, it is still the "American Parkour" forum which doesn't feel as inclusive as "parkour.net" due to the national borders present in the name alone. If you want to be an international hub, you can't be the American hub at the same time. That would be like a local board assuming responsibility for an entire country. People from outside of that community won't feel the same level of inclusion as those within it. I don't think there's much more to it.