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training with backpacks?
« on: March 14, 2009, 03:26:32 PM »
having a backpack on how could this help you while you train?

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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2009, 03:32:59 PM »
well, obviously to help carry around the things you need for where ever you are going, and for the weight, some ppl use them as just as weighted clothing.
thats about it

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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2009, 05:43:54 AM »
I thought so you can't really roll that well with a back pack on....

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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2009, 06:35:08 AM »
You should be training as you expect to be able to perform.

If you always wear a backpack and want to be an effective traceur with one on, then you should wear one.  Do be sure to understand that added weight will destroy your joints on the high impact moves of parkour.
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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2009, 09:36:39 AM »
Good thing I don't wear one.

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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2009, 09:40:59 AM »
I would suggest buying a camelback...They carry water which helps when you're running and training, and the water pack is impossible to break when you roll out.  They are also very light in weight which help in the training.  The space for putting articles is very minimal but you don't need much, you can store you're walet, cell phone, and some bandaids or simple healthcare needs...it's also nice because the camelbac doesn't jump around to much on your back because of the buckels that fasten tight around your body.  I think having a backpack is all about preference, what you like and what you don't like.

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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2009, 10:35:11 AM »
I fail to see how a backpack would destroy your joints any faster...
If you train with one all the time.. even when you condition and when you stretch as well as when you train the basics your body would adjust, would it not? Would it forever be an added weight? Could your body not get stronger as a result and then when you don't have it, it makes it that much better?
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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2009, 10:50:46 AM »
you have a nice point because some runners use ankle wieghts to trian and condistion with. Also if you go to a baseball game and look at the next batter up the have a wieght on the end of there bat while they wait for the other batter. So i'm sure that if you really condisoned with it and used it everytime you go out and run you should be fine.

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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2009, 06:04:00 PM »
You should be training as you expect to be able to perform.

If you always wear a backpack and want to be an effective traceur with one on, then you should wear one.  Do be sure to understand that added weight will destroy your joints on the high impact moves of parkour.

how should it? i fail to see it like Greg.

anyways i train with one regularly and i hardly ever take it off even when i'm inside. i just carry a med kit and my wallet and phone.
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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2009, 08:02:14 PM »
it took me like 5 times to figure out if you were agreeing with me or disagreeing lol
I was very confused.. but I am hoping someone with a detailed or medical stand point on this can explain which argument would be more correct..
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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2009, 08:19:56 PM »
I fail to see how a backpack would destroy your joints any faster...
If you train with one all the time.. even when you condition and when you stretch as well as when you train the basics your body would adjust, would it not? Would it forever be an added weight? Could your body not get stronger as a result and then when you don't have it, it makes it that much better?

It destroys your joints because its an added load.

Its likebeing 20# overweight and taking drops -- its usually not advised.  The dead weight adds to the amount of muscle that is necessary to compensate for it to keep it safe.  On high impact, quick moves it is difficult to have "perfect" landing form to make sure your joints don't do funny things like have your knees caving inwards.

If you are going to train with a backpack it should be functional (to be able to perform with a light pack on...) and not as a method of increasing the difficulty.

Your misconception is a common one to someone who is new to exercise physiology.  Training skills with increased weight does not help the unweighted skill in many cases.  If the motor pattern has to change drastically to accommodate for the weight then its like training something totally different (and often times, not practical).  This is why movements like the squat are so beneficial -- they can be weighted very heavily and have very high translation into a broad variety of movements (squatting heavy helps jumping, pistols, getting up from chairs, cleans, snatches, push jerks, push presses, kip-ups, kipping pull ups...the list can go on for a long time..)

you have a nice point because some runners use ankle wieghts to trian and condistion with. Also if you go to a baseball game and look at the next batter up the have a wieght on the end of there bat while they wait for the other batter. So i'm sure that if you really condisoned with it and used it everytime you go out and run you should be fine.

Training with ankle weights for running is silly.  No competitive runner who knows what they are doing would ever do that...it programs motor patterns improperly and will actually cause your running speed to DECREASE when you remove the weights.

The same is true for baseball players.  The added weight doesn't make swinging the bat easier but it helps with the perception of the weight of the bat.  There are studies on this in particular.  The bat doesn't actually get lighter, nor does it even swing faster...but the batter has more confidence because it "feels" lighter. 

This is a purely perceptual change that causes increased confidence which causes increased technical ability -- it has nothing to do with a baseball player actually getting stronger because of the weight.  Long term batting practice with a heavier bat can actually decrease bat swing speed since swinging a bat is such a technical action.



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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2009, 08:27:03 PM »
But the point being made was, if you trained with the backpack on from when you began to train your basics, and when you stretched, would your body not adjust?
Taking it off and being better was only one point made and I accept your argument on that, but if a runner can wear ankle weights without damaging his body (only changing his motor patterns) then couldn't a traceur wear a backpack without damaging their joints, it would only change the way they move. If you can train your joints to take higher drops over a period of time, I think you could train your joints to accept an additional load.

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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2009, 10:01:00 AM »
But the point being made was, if you trained with the backpack on from when you began to train your basics, and when you stretched, would your body not adjust?
Taking it off and being better was only one point made and I accept your argument on that, but if a runner can wear ankle weights without damaging his body (only changing his motor patterns) then couldn't a traceur wear a backpack without damaging their joints, it would only change the way they move. If you can train your joints to take higher drops over a period of time, I think you could train your joints to accept an additional load.

Forgive me if I've missed something here.

Ohhh yess you're absolutely right :P

I guess I misunderstood your question -- apologies.

If you train with a backpack/added load you can get pretty beastly with an added load...when you remove it though, there will be an adjustment period (almost like total relearning) where you have to learn the technique unweighted.  Its best to just train for the situation you are mostly in (with a pack is good if you are always wearing a pack, lets say)...most of us don't wear a pack all the time...like every minute of the day, so its better to train w/o it.

Ankle weights are less damaging than a backpack.  Ankle weights rest on the ankle and the only joint that is loaded excessively is the ankle itself.  A backpack with a significant load (10-40# or more) will load the hips, knees and ankles more than is necessary and in a way that is kind of unpredictable.  It is almost impossible to keep good form with this kind of dynamic and unpredictable load...but we don't need to go here again since we already discussed it, i guess :)

In short, you are right -- sorry for misunderstanding!
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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2009, 07:23:21 PM »
Oh, ok I gotcha, I probably wasn't clear anyway. But it makes sense now.

I train with nothing so I'm not too worried anyway. =]
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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2009, 11:18:55 AM »
haha i was not really clear to begin with.... and we have reached a conclustion.

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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2009, 05:00:44 PM »
This is the first arguement resolved ever on APK!!!! OMG OMG it's history in the making!
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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2009, 05:20:21 PM »
haha yeah

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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2009, 05:18:35 PM »
Well, I was looking to see if anyone knows of some good light back packs that i could use to protect my fone and my ipod while doing parkour. I only ask because none of my pants have pockets that keep my stuff in them and picking up/ breaking my stuff everytime i PK is exactly a good thing.

So im looking for;
light back pack
protects my electronics
i can roll over it

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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2009, 04:39:32 PM »
Well, I was looking to see if anyone knows of some good light back packs that i could use to protect my fone and my ipod while doing parkour. I only ask because none of my pants have pockets that keep my stuff in them and picking up/ breaking my stuff everytime i PK is exactly a good thing.

So im looking for;
light back pack
protects my electronics
i can roll over it

I'm going to put my post up again, I would suggest buying a camelbak...They carry water which helps when you're running and training, and the water pack is impossible to break when you roll out.  They are also very light in weight which help in the training.  The space for putting articles is very minimal but you don't need much, you can store you're walet, cell phone, and some bandaids or simple healthcare needs...it's also nice because the camelbac doesn't jump around to much on your back because of the buckels that fasten tight around your body.  I think having a backpack is all about preference, what you like and what you don't like.

Here's the site: http://www.camelbak.com/index.cfm

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Re: training with backpacks?
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2009, 11:29:05 AM »
Thanks for the response! I originally read it as i was going thru the post but i thought you were talking about a canteen type of thing. I have seen people with these back packs before at parkour jams and they seem to work well so i think ill go look for a store where i can buy them. Do you know of any? And i want to try it on which is why im asking.