Topic: Cybernetic traceur implants!

[Gren the Wicked]

Not really, but naturally I thought of Parkour the moment I saw this...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16736-sporty-joint-implants-could-go-the-distance.html

[Corndogg]

Heh, I've always said it would be great to have adamantium covered bones like Wolverine! 

[Adam "Echo" C]

haha totally agree corndogg

[Ryan Nicolai]

Well, until that happens, we'll stick with this.

[PKAB]

Well, until that happens, we'll stick with this.

But I want cyberknetic Implants now!!!!!

JK it would be cool but having cyberknetic implants would eliminate the difference of parkour because everyone would be able to do what we do.

[Dan Elric]

I wish I had Wolverine's fast healing ability, then I wouldn't have to worry about injury while performing parkour.

[Dan Frank]

I wish I had Wolverine's fast healing ability, then I wouldn't have to worry about injury while performing parkour.

Or dying... that dude got shot in the head in one of the movies and the bullet popped out and he was ready to go within moments.

[max eisenberg]

nothing will ever be as strong or as good as the human body, 15 years?

im almost 19 and my body is perfectly fine, i think i should have at least another 40 years left on my joints.

[Dan Frank]

nothing will ever be as strong or as good as the human body, 15 years?

im almost 19 and my body is perfectly fine, i think i should have at least another 40 years left on my joints.

Don't say "ever," because the potential is there to invent inorganic bodily structures that function much better and last much longer than their natural counterparts.

[Ken PKChiro]

eh... i don't think so.  I'm with eisenberg on this one

[max eisenberg]

no it will NEVER happen.

you are born with the ability to heal and grow stronger, nothing invented by man will ever reach the ability/complexity of our own body.

even nano bots being able to heal us will never come close to what our body naturally does, in my eyes our body can not be replicated.

sure we can put nano bots in every kid so they never get sick or we can implant carbon fiber knees and hips into people, then we lose touch with nature completely. at that point i will throw out all technology and live a natural life style.

i feel its too important to be close to nature these days especially.

[Patrick Yang]

no it will NEVER happen.

you are born with the ability to heal and grow stronger, nothing invented by man will ever reach the ability/complexity of our own body.

even nano bots being able to heal us will never come close to what our body naturally does, in my eyes our body can not be replicated.

sure we can put nano bots in every kid so they never get sick or we can implant carbon fiber knees and hips into people, then we lose touch with nature completely. at that point i will throw out all technology and live a natural life style.

i feel its too important to be close to nature these days especially.

In that case, why use modern medicine, vision correction, or shoes?  These are all technological advances that protect us and improve our quality of life by improving our natural systems, but are wholly unnatural.  I use all three on a daily basis.  I hope I haven't entirely lost touch with nature.

[Dan Frank]

eh... i don't think so.

no it will NEVER happen.

We are still in the dark ages of biomechanical engineering and artificial improvement. People always say, "It can never be done," but then it always happens. I predict that within the next 75 years, possibly less, an artificial arm and hand will be able to replicate the level of articulation of a regular hand and arm, albeit with potentially a LOT more strength. It could also have an equivalent set of sensors to act as nerves that sense heat and touch.
At this point, anything is possible.

you are born with the ability to heal and grow stronger, nothing invented by man will ever reach the ability/complexity of our own body.

That's entirely possible with artificial parts; think of how complex microprocessors and semiconducting circuit boards and stuff are. We could easily surpass that complexity on other fields, like biomechanical engineering.

in my eyes our body can not be replicated.

I don't see why the body couldn't be replicated. We have already proven that the body can be artificially improved in many ways, so why would there magically be some physical impossibility of surpassing current human functions?

sure we can put nano bots in every kid so they never get sick or we can implant carbon fiber knees and hips into people, then we lose touch with nature completely. at that point i will throw out all technology and live a natural life style.

Define "nature." Humans never seemed to have any regard for it, as they have been defying what could be called 'natural law' ever since they started being humans. Complex tools are 'unnatural,' and so are all the other inventions of human beings. Why would it be any different when the only difference is that we're manipulating our own bodies rather than the bodies of animals or our environments? It's not like we haven't been doing it to a lesser extent for a while now, with medicine and body modification and implants and biomechanics and vision correction and bio-engineering and so on and so forth.

[Jeremy Osborn]

reading this thread, i dont want this to happen, this only leads to entire body transplants for better and stronger parts of your body, leading to even better government equipment, leading to all out nuclear warfare, you cant kill the soldiers with bullets, but nothing humankind can create will ever be able to be put into the body and still be able to survive a nuclear explosion. it just leads to worse, the human race is making problems for ourselves, sure it will be better for a while, but it just leads to bad things.

[Dan Frank]

reading this thread, i dont want this to happen, this only leads to entire body transplants for better and stronger parts of your body, leading to even better government equipment, leading to all out nuclear warfare, you cant kill the soldiers with bullets, but nothing humankind can create will ever be able to be put into the body and still be able to survive a nuclear explosion. it just leads to worse, the human race is making problems for ourselves, sure it will be better for a while, but it just leads to bad things.

That's way too much inference for one technology. You just can't predict the future of warfare; it could change drastically at any point, and I doubt that it will jump to such devastation as thermonuclear bombs. That's definitely something the UN wants to avoid.

Anyway, advances in technology and medicine and stuff since WW2, for example, mean that a lot fewer soldiers die today than they used to.

[max eisenberg]

eventually they may come close to it, think about it.

your parents have sex and you are born 8-9 months later.

you grow from practically nothing to you sitting at the computer reading this.

robots must be built, we have the ability to grow.

i personally dont want this type of movement in our society, we already seem to be destined to come to a state of immobility.

why push it so far that we never have to move at all? why dont we just cut our legs and arms off and control things with our mind?

thats what this kind of stuff will lead to, THAT is us losing all touch with nature. i for one dont ever want that to happen.

we have the ability to choose whether or not we want to grow stronger and improve our bodies or let them waste away.

if we become half robot we wont have that choice, that alone conflicts with our brain and our freedom of choice, to this i say NO THANKS.

honestly id prefer if we just lived like the animals we are, our society is making leaps and bounds AWAY from what we are naturally given.

so in reality we in fact are losing touch with nature, nature is not the wilderness, it is US. it is inside us, we are of nature therefor we are nature.

thats just my thoughts, agree or not.

[Ken PKChiro]

I think what it comes down to is that the body was built in a certain manner.  Any replacement won't function the same way the original does, and therefore adaptations must happen and until you rebuild the whole body, the replacement can never be better than the original design, because it wasn't designed in that manner in the first place.

As for the argument of shoes.  Because of shoes, we have aplastic deformation of the feet.  Because of shoes, we are at a loss of natural functional and structural stability.  Not as good as the original.  But necessary, yes.

As for eye correction, we have eye correction because kids sit in rooms staring at a board 20 feet away all day, we don't need the correction, not if we didn't screw with the natural eye in the first place by underdeveloping the eye muscles.

All modern medicine has side effects.  All modern medicine is a stress to both kidney and liver at LEAST.  All modern medicine is a stress to the body, and the body fails when there is too much modern medicine in it.  Because modern medicine doesn't take into account the... once again, original design.

There is a law that simply states that structure and function are linked.  If you use something in a way that the body wasn't meant to be used, then function suffers, long term or short term.  So far, modern technology has failed in every manner to mimic exactly what the body was designed to do.  That is why they are going into stem cell research, because they want to use what is already imbedded, already designed, in order to create something natural.

[PKAB]

I dunno our race has seemed to try and make a weapon out of...just about anything.

[Ryan Nicolai]

The UN, HA!!!

Never is a strong word here. They said we'd never make it to the moon, we did. They said we would never win our independence from Britain, we did. They said I'd never amount to anything in my life... wait, that one was focused at me. Regardless, I think saying never is a bit naive when you look back at all the "never" situations in history.

Still, what we have now can't hold a candle to the human body.

[Ken PKChiro]

point being ultimately that until you recreate the actual body, it will NEVER be the human body.  seems obvious, but that's what we are arguing.  And so, in this case, never makes sense