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Quadrepedal Movement
« on: January 30, 2009, 03:56:48 PM »
I've been wondering, when I've been looking at various tutorials on youtube,  I've noticed that there are many types of quadrepedal movement.  Where are all the different kinds used?  And is it possible to copy any animal run or walk cycle without damaging any muscles or ligaments? ??? 

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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2009, 09:37:23 PM »
i believe that doing QM is actually moving back to a more natural, and sometimes more efficient, way of movement.

being said I don't see any problems, but i am definately not qualified to make this statement with utmost certainty
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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2009, 12:09:41 AM »
I am new to PK, but I am training hard. I think whatever QM feels natural and right, would be the one to go with.

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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2009, 10:42:19 AM »
QM or Quadrepedal Movement is a broad term.  Any time you've got all 4 limbs down is considered QM.  Crab walking, crawling, cat balancing.  They're all QM.  I would recommend incorporating many types of QM into your conditioning regimen as the benefits are innumerable.  In conditioning aspects, QM is great for strength training in the arms, core, and lower body, balance, grace, speed, and learning to use all four limbs simultaneously.  In actual use with parkour, the benefits become obvious in rolls, landings, just about every vault, getting low quick, and plenty of other situations.

The nerve connections you're making in your brain when doing QM gets your body less inclined to simply follow the dull pattern of "left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot" and more inclined to do whatever you want it to.  Hands and feet can work in unison while doing totally different things.  It's beautiful really.  Dim Monk is a good example of drawing on QM a lot in parkour.  Just search him on youtube and his 2005 and 2006 vids should pop up.  He doesn't do a lot of straight forward QM but you can tell some of his movements mimic or draw upon QM basics.

Just train as much QM as you can.  Most of the time staying low will give you the most in terms of conditioning.  Good luck!
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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2009, 12:57:52 PM »
i believe that doing QM is actually moving back to a more natural, and sometimes more efficient, way of movement.

being said I don't see any problems, but i am definately not qualified to make this statement with utmost certainty

I'm sorry, and I don't mean to bash you, but that's just ridiculous. Human beings are specifically designed to walk/run/jump and do everything else on two feet. If any person could run faster on all fours than on his feet, then maybe I would be more inclined to believe that QM is more natural. That being said, would walking on two legs be ideal for most other animals? No. Evolution (or intelligent design or whatever you believe in) has taken this course for a reason. Consider that bipedal movement is not a learned behavior but an instinct for humans.

As for more efficient, not really. The only case I can see it being more efficient is when climbing, doing some specific parkour movement, or anything else that could not be better replaced by walking, running, or jumping.

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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2009, 01:32:45 PM »
^ I agree but have more to add. (In my opinion you were not harsh.)
You're right in saying that is not exactly natural or the most efficient way.
I would also recommend training QM to get a better tune of your body. It creates unity and consciousness of all your actions.
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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2009, 05:28:14 PM »
np guys no hard feelings at all and i see your points totally
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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2009, 05:36:24 PM »
Thank you very much.  I understand perfectly now.  But couldn't it also be useful if you are endeavoring to cross a narrow bridge or plank between two buildings, and it's slippery, or any other instance like that?

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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2009, 05:42:03 PM »
generally you probly want to avoid slippery things if you can and have the time ti check for them, but sure..
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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2009, 11:14:28 PM »
essentially for better balance, more stability covering your body's entirety yeah. I QM when the flow moves me to, no so much practicality though-more or less my flow as a guide.

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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 08:45:03 AM »
i believe that doing QM is actually moving back to a more natural, and sometimes more efficient, way of movement.

being said I don't see any problems, but i am definately not qualified to make this statement with utmost certainty

I'm sorry, and I don't mean to bash you, but that's just ridiculous. Human beings are specifically designed to walk/run/jump and do everything else on two feet. If any person could run faster on all fours than on his feet, then maybe I would be more inclined to believe that QM is more natural. That being said, would walking on two legs be ideal for most other animals? No. Evolution (or intelligent design or whatever you believe in) has taken this course for a reason. Consider that bipedal movement is not a learned behavior but an instinct for humans.

As for more efficient, not really. The only case I can see it being more efficient is when climbing, doing some specific parkour movement, or anything else that could not be better replaced by walking, running, or jumping.

Sorry to be so harsh dude. No hard feelings?  ;)
you can move faster in QM, if you do it right. if synchronized, you can go pretty fast.

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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 01:42:14 PM »
Someone running vs someone synchronized QMing......the runner will win 98%+ of the time.
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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 03:02:48 PM »
Someone running vs someone synchronized QMing......the runner will win 98%+ of the time.
Depends on who's running and who's QMing  ;)

But I agree.  Humans are made to walk and run on two feet.  We've done it our whole lives, that's what we're built for, that's what we do.  If we were made to be on all fours, we'd be on all fours all the time and would be faster than someone that tried to run.

Notice how most animals with 4 legs have either a straight back or a back that slopes down?  It gives them more speed and stability when running on all fours.  But when we try to stand all the way up on all fours, our butts way up in the air.  Our legs have grown longer to accommodate our being on two feet.  So we will almost always be able to outrun someone on our feet than someone on all fours; it's nature.  But there's always that one person in the world that's amazing at everything, so I'm sure there's SOMEONE that's super crazy fast with QM and could crush us all in a race.
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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 07:07:20 PM »
ok, but its also good for conditioning. and also if you get enough skill and you can use it for long periods of time then maybe. see the problem is you go fast at first then you slow down.(me anyway.) plus it looks cool if you do it right.

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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2009, 09:07:50 PM »
Yes, QM is good. :P

Now you can try various things but my friends and I like to go to playgrounds and play follow the leader. We try to force each other into the most awkward positions and see how we do getting through them easily. It gets weird but the basic idea is to be using all four limbs at all times no matter what. It helps you develop your creativity too.
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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2009, 09:53:05 PM »
ok, but its also good for conditioning. and also if you get enough skill and you can use it for long periods of time then maybe. see the problem is you go fast at first then you slow down.(me anyway.) plus it looks cool if you do it right.
Agreed.  That's what I tried to emphasize in my first post.  It's not necessarily useful as a skill, but the strength, endurance, and bodily awareness it causes you to develop is priceless!  Like pullups!  Pullups as a skill are completely useless in parkour.  If you were running from someone, when are you gonna sit in one spot and do 25 pullups?  Never, but it's extremely helpful in conditioning for parkour and builds strength so you can do those all important climb ups.
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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2009, 12:48:24 AM »
ok, but its also good for conditioning. and also if you get enough skill and you can use it for long periods of time then maybe. see the problem is you go fast at first then you slow down.(me anyway.) plus it looks cool if you do it right.

agreed, QMing for a long time kicks me arse. I love it hard! ; p
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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2009, 04:05:46 AM »
<3 QM, it is my favorite movement of all time.  It is something you can do when you're injured and works practically every muscle in the body.
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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2009, 07:33:43 AM »
i believe that doing QM is actually moving back to a more natural, and sometimes more efficient, way of movement.

being said I don't see any problems, but i am definately not qualified to make this statement with utmost certainty

I'm sorry, and I don't mean to bash you, but that's just ridiculous. Human beings are specifically designed to walk/run/jump and do everything else on two feet. If any person could run faster on all fours than on his feet, then maybe I would be more inclined to believe that QM is more natural. That being said, would walking on two legs be ideal for most other animals? No. Evolution (or intelligent design or whatever you believe in) has taken this course for a reason. Consider that bipedal movement is not a learned behavior but an instinct for humans.

As for more efficient, not really. The only case I can see it being more efficient is when climbing, doing some specific parkour movement, or anything else that could not be better replaced by walking, running, or jumping.

Sorry to be so harsh dude. No hard feelings?  ;)

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Re: Quadrepedal Movement
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2009, 11:00:51 AM »
For a 60 sec. interval, I think I could cover more distance QMing than I could just sprinting. QM was something I got very good at at a young age. I used to race my collies and had a win ratio of about 30%. It doesn't seem like much, but think of how fast dogs can run.
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