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Protien Powders
« on: January 05, 2009, 06:26:39 PM »
You mix it with some milk and drink it xD Are these good or bad for parkour? Just curious...

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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2009, 07:03:29 PM »
It depends.

Supplements are just that... supplements. They aren't meant to replace anything in your diet. Just supplement it.
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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2009, 07:39:02 PM »
My biology teacher told me that protein supplements are useless, because you get enough protein normally, so you just pee it out. He is not just saying this either. He has many years of teaching knowledge, a college education for P.E., and he is an amazing and well learned track coach, so I know he is not telling us something he just heard. What do you think about this?

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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2009, 07:58:32 PM »
My biology teacher told me that protein supplements are useless, because you get enough protein normally, so you just pee it out. He is not just saying this either. He has many years of teaching knowledge, a college education for P.E., and he is an amazing and well learned track coach, so I know he is not telling us something he just heard. What do you think about this?

Protein supplements have their place.  The best sources of protein are always going to be from whole foods, and, most typically, from animals.

Protein supplements are not useless if you have very high protein demands that cannot be consistently met with whole foods...such is the case for anyone who is very active including runners, lifters and advanced bodybuilders.

You don't pee protein out.  If you are peeing protein out it means your kidneys are failing and you need to go to the hospital.

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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2009, 11:23:23 PM »
My biology teacher told me that protein supplements are useless, because you get enough protein normally, so you just pee it out. He is not just saying this either. He has many years of teaching knowledge, a college education for P.E., and he is an amazing and well learned track coach, so I know he is not telling us something he just heard. What do you think about this?
Chodantraceur, you can print this reply out for your PE teacher so can revise his views.

As Chris mentioned, that's a misguided view that is not in accordance with all the scientific evidence.
For the most part you can "survive" even with almost no protein at all, but there is a difference between survive and thrive, and all data shows you can do much better with more protein than what most people tend to eat. 

If you can get it all from your diet without making bad nutritional choices (e.g., too many calories because your main protein source is say McDonalds) and without going broke (good quality protein-rich food tends to be more expensive), then go for it. 
If you can't quite make it all from food, and often you can't, protein supplements are a great easy way to round you up to the ideal amount without messing up your caloric max or your wallet.

The minimum is considered ~50 grams a day to avoid going into protein deficiency, and that's for sedentary people and just to avoid becoming sick in the long run, not to be as fit as you can be.

If you are active or training you need much more, and there is an even higher threshold before you stop seeing benefits from adding more proteins to your diet.

Talking in numbers, if your weight is say 150lb and physically active you would need at least 100-150g of protein a day. And that of course depends on the intensity of the training and amount of muscle growth too.  A bodybuilder for example has an even greater protein need to be able to put on that much muscle.  But for the average lighter training, at ~160g you can see evidence that adding more proteins on top of that starts to be wasted. That's based on total body protein synthesis measurement and on aminoacid oxidation which is when your body starts to convert excess protein material into energy (and yes eventually the metabolites get passed through the kidneys but they are no longer proteins or aminoacids by then, as Chris said).
For people interested about where these numbers come from, here is one study on this
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1474076
and there are many more showing benefits at higher ranges for higher intensity.

Now, consider that one large egg, a very good source of protein, has only 6 g of protein, and you can see that if you add up all your protein sources (use something like this) in your diet it's easy to fall short especially if you are active. 

All this is also without going into protein quality, not all protein is equal and even if your cereal says it has X grams of protein, protein from grains is much less complete and lower quality by itself (compared to eggs, milk, cheese, meat/fish), while again protein powders are much more complete and high-quality so they are a good way to compensate as needed.

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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2009, 02:10:19 PM »
As far as good or bad, Your body absorbs protein best immediately after exercise My Cross country track team drinks a mixture dubbed "Izzo-aide" after heavy workouts consisting of whey protein and Gatorade powder. Whether or not someone corrects me on this, there is a noticeable difference in recovery times (based on discussions with team members) with the mix s opposed to without.
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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2009, 02:19:13 PM »
As far as good or bad, Your body absorbs protein best immediately after exercise My Cross country track team drinks a mixture dubbed "Izzo-aide" after heavy workouts consisting of whey protein and Gatorade powder. Whether or not someone corrects me on this, there is a noticeable difference in recovery times (based on discussions with team members) with the mix s opposed to without.

Recovery time there is likely more due to the gatorade powder than the protein.

Sounds like a good mix if its post-workout though i generally tend to favor starchy carbs PWO because that is the advice i have been given by people smarter than I am...need to learn more as to why that is the case.

On another note, Gatorade + Whey sounds disgusting :P

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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2009, 02:41:49 PM »
It does sound quite bad, but if you have vanilla protein and orange gatorade, its amazing.
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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2009, 03:13:42 PM »
It does sound quite bad, but if you have vanilla protein and orange gatorade, its amazing.

That made my mouth water....   :P
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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2009, 07:50:39 PM »
On the Aero forums one time, someone randomly posted telling us not to mix protein powder into Gatorade if you don't have milk. We didn't really need to ask why. ;)

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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2009, 11:15:54 PM »
On the Aero forums one time, someone randomly posted telling us not to mix protein powder into Gatorade if you don't have milk. We didn't really need to ask why. ;)
They might have confused it with mentos and diet coke, although again you can mix those too, but it would be mostly to make some awesome fountain-work stuff :P

Gatorade and whey would make a good post-workout and recovery drink (except for the taste I would guess), complex carbs would be better before the workout (or at other times in general), I already posted several of the studies showing that's the case and explained why in other posts so I won't repeat that here.

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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2009, 08:30:37 PM »
At work (Starbucks) we have a protein powder that I shake up with whole milk. 24 fl. oz of awesome. I don't like some of the ingredients, but the drink's got fat, protein, and a touch of carbs (fiber), and it's quick and dirtay.

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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2009, 10:15:02 AM »
At work (Starbucks) we have a protein powder that I shake up with whole milk. 24 fl. oz of awesome. I don't like some of the ingredients, but the drink's got fat, protein, and a touch of carbs (fiber), and it's quick and dirtay.

Though fiber is important to one's diet, it should not be included in the calories you take in from carbohydrates, as it is not absorbed by the body.  Keep that in mind if you count your caloric ratios.
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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2009, 06:44:28 PM »
At work (Starbucks) we have a protein powder that I shake up with whole milk. 24 fl. oz of awesome. I don't like some of the ingredients, but the drink's got fat, protein, and a touch of carbs (fiber), and it's quick and dirtay.

Though fiber is important to one's diet, it should not be included in the calories you take in from carbohydrates, as it is not absorbed by the body.  Keep that in mind if you count your caloric ratios.

True enough, although at the very least,  the drink has a bit of lactose naturally from the milk.

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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2009, 07:25:34 PM »
I used to mix vanilla whey protein powder with OJ and it tasted delicious! Just like a Dreamsicle!



"Good" or "bad" for parkour depends entirely on your physical composition, training schedule, goals, and habits. In general, though, a lot of traceurs use protein powder in their diets somewhere. I always keep a stash of it in my car, purse, desk drawer at work, etc; but mostly because sometimes my blood sugar tanks and I want something quick, easy, and healthy to get me back on track.

I very often drink a protein shake (whey protein + 1% milk) for breakfast--a handy way to get breakfast during my commute--or post-workout.

Sometimes if I know I'm going to be at a party or something where I know there will be lots of "naughty" foods, I'll drink a protein shake beforehand to mitigate the temptation to snack and also to mitigate the effects when I invariably give in to the temptation. :)
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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2009, 07:32:54 PM »
Sometimes if I know I'm going to be at a party or something where I know there will be lots of "naughty" foods, I'll drink a protein shake beforehand to mitigate the temptation to snack and also to mitigate the effects when I invariably give in to the temptation. :)

I do the same thing -- handy with beers :P  I usually say "ehhh no, can't drink tonight, just had a protein shake and that won't mix well" :P
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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2009, 09:07:15 AM »
For the record, does anyone have a protein powder that they prefer? I just bought some Whey Protein Powder from Whole Foods...can't remember the brand name though...hmm. :/

Pretty good though. Tastes great, no sugar, very few ingredients.

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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2009, 09:44:48 AM »
I get whey protein powder in bulk at HEB.  It's a good deal cheaper than getting the cans, and involve a lot less waste.  I'll have to take a look at the brand when I next go.
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Re: Protien Powders
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2009, 10:53:04 AM »
I get IsoPure because its all protein -- no fat or carbs --  i control the rest
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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2009, 02:48:04 PM »
Patrick: HEB? Not familiar...

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