Author Topic: front flip help (vid included) (Read 2247 times)

Jacob Wood · « **on:** December 05, 2008, 03:16:27 PM »

so ive been trying to get a front flip down for a while, but my arms keep hitting the ground

sorry about the bail at the end i had been going for a while and was a bit tired. i wish i had another angle but i hurt my wrist a little ill be back at it in a day or to

Matt Carter · « **Reply #1 on:** December 05, 2008, 03:46:34 PM »

dude you just half to commit befriend your fears and go for it I am telling you that you wont hurt yourself... that vid clearly explain that your not fully commited to the move. Good Luck and post another vid . Commit to it!

Jacob Wood · « **Reply #2 on:** December 05, 2008, 03:59:42 PM »

i no i need to commit. my mind does, but my body doesnt. i think i developed a bad habit. i no i wont get hurt (ive failed enough to find that out

). i try to commit more tommorrow and film when i get the chance

Tyler Morita · « **Reply #3 on:** December 05, 2008, 06:22:14 PM »

Yeah, careful buddy, it looks like you've got a really bad habit going there... You're not jumping up AT ALL. You're leaping into your punch, and then throwing your face at the ground...not cool.

Stop looking at the ground, and stop looking down. Look at or above the horizon, and then jump UP. ONLY jump. Don't think about rotating just yet. Just run, pounce, and pop up as high as you can go. Do that 1000 times, and then start the tuck by throwing your arms forward and down, at the HIGHEST point of your jump, AFTER you've jumped STRAIGHT up as high as you can go.

I'd recommend finding a gym to train at...pads and intelligent people are invaluable tools! Otherwise, throw down an old mattress or something...it'd be best to find someone near you who can show you how, but if there isn't anyone, just study a million more front tuck tutorials.

Again, the fundamental problem is that as SOON as your toes punch the ground, you are throwing your shoulders and head forward and down. You need to jump STRAIGHT UP first, with everything you got, BEFORE you start the rotation by throwing your arms in a shooting-free-throws motion.

Jacob Wood · « **Reply #4 on:** December 07, 2008, 05:42:06 AM »

well the nearest gym is about an hour away. so that sucks. but thanks for the advice ill give it a try soon

Alex Melusky · « **Reply #5 on:** December 07, 2008, 06:19:31 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCqqtjNQhD0

This video is what helped me learn front flips.

Tyler Morita · « **Reply #6 on:** December 07, 2008, 10:54:11 AM »

Quote from: Alex (Zalorticus) Melusky on December 07, 2008, 06:19:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCqqtjNQhD0

This video is what helped me learn front flips.

So, that video is pretty sweet, but they completely ignore the concept of setting, and they use proper technique only half the time. Front tucks have a lot more power and height and rotation if you "set" properly by using your arms.

Proper setting happened on all of the "real" clips where ozzi and andy were trying to really catch air. In a lot of the examplers and exercises they used poor form by not setting properly. The magic to air is in what you do with your arms..

In that vid, proper setting occured at :16, 1:45, 3:17, 5:20,5:27, 6:28, 6:32,
NO setting (poor form) occured at 2:40, 3:45, 4:34-5:15, 5:35, 5:39, 5:46, 6:13, 6:40

Adam McC · « **Reply #7 on:** December 07, 2008, 11:11:42 AM »

"Andy" aka Adam here from that video

Yeah. That video was from the beginning of UCC. We basically started to learn things, and as soon as we kinda got them, we made a tutorial for it. Most of the time it worked out great. But here, our inexperience showed. We never touched on blocking, and as you said, we only occasionally set properly. But, the tutorial is for people who have no idea how to start learning the flip, not for learning details. So it's been moderately successful. It gives them some steps to practice, and gives basic tips like looking up, jumping up, tucking with your shoulders. But you're quite right, Tyler. I think Ozzi is working on a new, good one.

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As for your actual video, Jacob. There's a number of problems, a few of which have already been mentioned. You're jumping absolutely and completely down. If it wasn't for your arms you'd be faceplanting. You need to practice jumping up before you start flipping. Dive rolls are a good way to do that, as long as you have a good roll and a soft surface. Secondly, you're not tucking in the video. Which is just as well, considering your down-jumping, but.. if you wanna get the frontflip eventually, along with jumping up, you gotta know how to tuck your body into a tight ball.

These guys are right. It's worth a trip to the gym. Work on jumping up. Look up, jump up. Up up up. Your run will take care of forward momentum, I promise. Work on jumping completely up. Then work on tucking. The rest takes care of itself once you're jumping up. Then it's a timing issue with landing.

Jacob Wood · « **Reply #8 on:** December 07, 2008, 07:59:40 PM »

i was hoping for a quick fix but didnt really expect one. so im going to do some real good hard practice on it and my goal is to have at least a decent one by christmas. ill try to get more vid as i improve. thanks for all the tips

Tyler Morita · « **Reply #9 on:** December 08, 2008, 12:45:14 AM »

heh, sorry Adam.

I'm looking forward too that new front tuck tutorial, but you're right in that this vid is enough to get started...I only learned to set properly a week or so ago, after a few months of doing front tucks...

Good luck on the practice, Jacob, and keep it safe. I'm looking forward to some sweet flips!

Jacob Wood · « **Reply #10 on:** December 09, 2008, 01:56:42 PM »

all right thanks everyone. my tuck has improve pretty good (not perfect) but im still not getting very good height. soif anyone has some good tutorials on setting laying around it would be great if u could post a like. i got a vid of my improvements

Adam McC · « **Reply #11 on:** December 09, 2008, 06:44:06 PM »

You're still jumping down, bro! You gotta jump up, then tuck. The rotation comes after the jump. it's not one and the same.

Jacob Wood · « **Reply #12 on:** December 09, 2008, 06:56:24 PM »

yea i get that. my mind knows all the theory but my body doesnt know how to do it. i think that if i could get it right just once to see how it feels it would be a lot easier to target that in my training. im like this most the time i learn something new. i do it close, but very wrong. i practice and get it right once or twice then i can do it right and improve it quickly. if i can just get it right once then its all uphill from there.

Tyler Morita · « **Reply #13 on:** December 09, 2008, 07:09:11 PM »

Yeah, once you get it once, and it feels good, your body remembers how to do it better next time..muscle memory for the win!

so, you're running up, taking a HUGE hop up and forward, and then slapping the ground with your toes as you throw your body forward and down.

you SHOULD be running up, taking a GLIDE forward (not a hop...your body shouldn't move up and down, you should just glide forward and get your feet together...look up blocking tutorials), and then PUNCH the ground through your toes, while looking, jumping, and extending UP!!! then, AFTER you're going straight up, THEN tuck....

I think I'm gonna try to put together a front flip tutorial sometime soon...otherwise, just some clips about blocking and setting.

Graham Hughes · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2008, 07:59:43 PM »

Hehe, the car honking made me lol.

Anyway, it looks like if you switched your "jump" with your "hop" you'd be way better. You SHOOT up into the air, land, then hop into the flip. Oughta be the other way around.

Good luck, I'm currently working on frontflips too.

Jacob Wood · « **Reply #15 on:** December 10, 2008, 04:57:15 PM »

thanks u guys taught me something. i thought i was suppose to go up on the hop. ill be sure to give it a go as soon as it stops raining.

o and the guy honking... i have no idea who that was but he honked and waved so i waved back.

RAVENOUS31492 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 12, 2008, 07:52:35 AM »

Yea dude, he's right, you need to jump up, then tuck. I know it seems like you may land on your face, but trust yourself that you won't.
Don't jump flat footed. When you jump, use the balls of your feet to propel yourself. That doesn't mean you don't start off running on the balls of your feet then jump, be flat footed, then jump, bring your heels up and forward, then "punch" the ground with the balls of your feet.

It looks like you are jumping hard first, then landing on the balls of your feet, then trying to flip. That won't work. Remember that you have to land on your balls of your feet and not your heel.

(seriously though, there has to be another word for balls of your feet, cuz I get slightly amused when people say, jump with your balls

)

Do you have a trampoline? Got a friend with one? Go practice doing front flips on a trampoline. Of course the whole gravity thing is a big difference between the trampoline and the ground, but you will learn how to do it easier, then tucking part will form naturally.

Think about it logically...hard. Its basic ,mayne

Jacob Wood · « **Reply #17 on:** December 12, 2008, 12:37:47 PM »

trampoline is actually the top thing on my chrismas list

i hate the rain. as soon as it dries up outsde im putting in some hard practice, but its been raining for like three days now

RAVENOUS31492 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 12, 2008, 01:15:41 PM »

Thats good, hope you get it.
Oh man, i hate the rain to, cuz then i can't go and out and skate

Jacob Wood · « **Reply #19 on:** December 12, 2008, 02:10:15 PM »

yea it stopped raining a few hours ago so i just went outside to practice, but first i tried an aerial (i can do those pretty good) and i landed in a wet spot and busted my butt. i wish it would be dry

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Author Topic: front flip help (vid included) (Read 2247 times)