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Quadrupedal Movement (QM)
« on: November 16, 2005, 05:54:34 AM »
Quadrupedal Movement (kwah-drew-pee-dal moov-ment) - the act of moving supported on your feet and hands. This can be used quite effectively in parkour to maintain balance, ascend inclines, traverse small spaces and present a smaller figure, all while maintaining momentum.
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Re: Quadrupedal Motion (QM)
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2005, 08:56:55 AM »
i was waiting for you to do that one  ;)

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Re: Quadrupedal Motion (QM)
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2005, 09:00:27 AM »
What's up with you NYC cats being so enamored with the QM? I think that exo would rather crawl around on all fours than go for a run ;)

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Re: Quadrupedal Motion (QM)
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2005, 11:49:31 AM »
Exo is my QM brother from another mother. The reason is that we've seen the light  ;D

While you're shifting paradigms of specific movements, also experiment with whole different genres of movement.

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Re: Quadrupedal Motion (QM)
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2005, 11:57:40 AM »
so what are some examples of quadrupedal motion. i dont really understand what it is
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Re: Quadrupedal Motion (QM)
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2005, 11:58:21 AM »
Sound pretty neat.  A lot like that warm up on U$F TV
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Re: Quadrupedal Motion (QM)
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2005, 12:45:46 PM »
walking on all fours... thats what QM is

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Re: Quadrupedal Motion (QM)
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2005, 01:06:20 PM »
Pistolwhip, that's a great point. One reason I like training QM is that it opens up new avenues for movement, now you don't have to necessarily go over an obstacle, but you can aslo find a way to go under it fluidly, too. :D

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Re: Quadrupedal Motion (QM)
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2005, 01:25:42 PM »
so what are some examples of quadrupedal motion. i dont really understand what it is


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 ++ Quadrupedal Movement ++                         
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What is quadrupedal movement?
According to Merriam Webster quadrupedal as "walking on four feet". Of course, we don't have four feet, but hands (if used properly) can take the place of a second pair of feet. The word "crawling" is not used in this article because that implies the use of knees, which may decrease speed, efficiency, as well as lead to injury.

Why use quadrupedal movement?
We've been walking bipedaly for most of our lives. We have two feet, so we walk on them. However, as we learn to re-think our perspective on the world and our movements, we can also explore alternatives to conventional bipedal walking.

When can quadrupedal movement be used?
Technicaly, Q.M. can be used anywhere bipedal walking could be used. However, for the sake of efficiency, Q.M. should be saved for situations where it would prevail (in speed and effectivity) over bipedal walking. Here are some (but not all) of the situations where an understanding of Q.M. would be useful:
   -Moving through enclosed spaces (through tunnels, under cars, under tables, etc.).
   -Maintaining a low center of balance (especially on an incline).
   -Evading by using Q.M. to stay concealed (or present a smaller target) while maintaining momentum.

How can quadrupedal movement be done?
There is no right or wrong way to practice Q.M. However, you may find some of these suggestions greatly aid in efficiency and well as stability:

   - Turn your fingers inward. By pointing your left hand to your right, and pointing your right hand to your left, you allow the weight of your body to keep a steady center of balance. This saves you the trouble of trying to use your fingers to steady your body, instead letting your weight even yourself out. While this strategy helps Q.M. on the ground, it is especially useful for balancing on rails and ledges, as your mass pushes into the ledge from the sides. This seems to be even more beneficial to those with broad shoulders.
   - Reciprocate. Move your left leg with your right arm, and your right leg with your left arm. This helps even out your weight on both sides of your body at any time.
   - Find your rhythm. It takes alot of practice to find your rhythm, but once you find the perfect ratio between speed and equilibrium, you gain the optimal "rhythm".
   - Find the right butt height. Butt height is just what it sounds like; the elevation of your backside from the ground. If you put your butt too low, you are wasting precious arm energy, basically locked in a perpetual, moving push up. On the other hand, if your butt is too  high, you aren't utilizing enough of your arm strength, and you run a much higher chance of tangling up your arms and legs. Some people find that a good butt height to start from is knee height.


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Stair Excersises: Practice these on a flight of stairs of at least 10 steps.

Footing
Practice footing by going up your stairs as quickly as possible. Remember to keep your fingers turned inward and reciprocating arms and legs. The point of this practice is foot placement. The goal is to have a constant awareness of the position of all of your extremeties and your environment while keeping your eyes on the goal (the top of the stairs). This practice will help you understand the importance of rhythm and awareness.
Arm Strength
Practice arm strength by going down your stairs as steadily as possible. Remember to reciprocate your arms and legs. The goal is to have full control over your movements and descent even while most of your mass is supported by your arms. The point of this practice is to understand the importance of balancing the ratio between arm strength and leg strength in Q.M. while also training physical strength and muscle memory. This excersise may be very difficult for beginers. If you don't believe you can safely make it down the full set of stairs, practice on a smaller set of 6-8 steps.

Rail Excersises: Practice these on a rail or wall of your choice.

Practice balance by simply using Q.M. on a rail or wall. This may be very difficult for some. The secret is to be aware of your hands and feet at all times. Imagine them as four points on a straight line, once there is an odd number of points on the line, your balance is depleted and you will fall. Move your left leg with your right arm, simultaneously removing them, and simultaneously replacing them further up the line. This has helped me and people I know greatly with "cat balance". Become familiar with your movements and your environment. Close your eyes. Go forward and backward and study the motions. The best way to balance is to intimately understand the way your body works.



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Re: Quadrupedal Motion (QM)
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2005, 02:29:08 PM »
ohh okay now i get it
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Re: Quadrupedal Motion (QM)
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2005, 02:33:01 PM »
Hahahahaha you were just waiting for someone to ask weren't you Pistol.

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Re: Quadrupedal Movement (QM)
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2005, 03:54:11 PM »
There are all types of quadrepedal styles and I have noticed the differentiation to be most applicable in observation and application of different quadripedal animals and their movement style/ applied use.  For the sake of example I will name just a few.  Their is the basic full stride most noticeable in felines and canines.  This is the full bound arm - opposite leg -opposite arm - leg stride.  Cousin to this is the leg-leg - arm-arm stride which incorperates a larger bound from legs back to arms in the cycle.  I'm trying to remember correctly, I think the first may be a canine associated style while the second may be more feline associated (I beleive its used by the infamously speedy cheeta)  It will fascinate you how either of these styles can nearly rival pipedal movement in speed and, given the right conditions, can easily outdo any upward run.  (I'd like to emphasize it's usefullness and efficiency on steep inclines.)  I would reccomend observing the running patterns of horses, as it is very easy to recognise these animalistic strides in a horse due to their elevated anatomical structure and their generally loud footsteps.  Then there is what I can only describe as a frog style which is more of a sparatic leap based on position on the haunches.  This less of a flow style and more of a connector between complex 3-dimentional coursing.  You'll probably see our good friend spiderman applying allot of this  ;).  Finally to close this little speech with absolutely no literary structure or organisation (I'm just writting this all down as it comes to me), I will jump to yet another good
application for Q.M., which is, after a landing.  Theres always a lack of flow in that second or two following any minor landing which doesn't demand a roll, such as after certain vaults or simple obstacle clearance jumps.  I'm talking about the monents when we try to regain our footing and continue our run, after the landing robbed us of most of our momentum having left us in a low position, it is feasable to use a few strides of Q.M. to continue forward motion from a low stance then transition smoothly back into a bi-pedal run.


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Re: Quadrupedal Movement (QM)
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2005, 04:31:58 PM »
We like this movement in Canada. It is stressed a lot. Everyone should practice it in my eyes.

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Re: Quadrupedal Movement (QM)
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2006, 09:18:50 PM »
Asa, i saw in the QM and landing tutorial the mention of the 'canter' stride.

What is the canter? how does one go about doing it?

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Re: Quadrupedal Movement (QM)
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2006, 10:38:04 AM »
That's a good question, which I would love to answer, but it's going to take a bit of time for me to get everything down. I'll probably make a post about it in the "Movement" forum later. Cheers.

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Re: Quadrupedal Movement (QM)
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2006, 06:55:16 PM »
One question, I Kong across the ground all the time, is that a form QM also? It's super duper fun and Kongishly awesome!!! 8)
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Re: Quadrupedal Movement (QM)
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2006, 07:04:23 PM »
quadrupedal movement is moving on all fours. so yes.

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Re: Quadrupedal Movement (QM)
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2006, 08:54:15 PM »
Remember the crab walk from elementary school?  I used to use that all the time, I should start it up again :D.  Crab Walk tag! ;D

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Re: Quadrupedal Movement (QM)
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2006, 10:15:47 AM »
"Why use quadrupedal movement?
We've been walking bipedaly for most of our lives. We have two feet, so we walk on them. However, as we learn to re-think our perspective on the world and our movements, we can also explore alternatives to conventional bipedal walking.

When can quadrupedal movement be used?
Technically, Q.M. can be used anywhere bipedal walking could be used. However, for the sake of efficiency, Q.M. should be saved for situations where it would prevail (in speed and effectivity) over bipedal walking. Here are some (but not all) of the situations where an understanding of Q.M. would be useful:
   -Moving through enclosed spaces (through tunnels, under cars, under tables, etc.).
   -Maintaining a low center of balance (especially on an incline).
   -Evading by using Q.M. to stay concealed (or present a smaller target) while maintaining momentum.

How can quadrupedal movement be done?
There is no right or wrong way to practice Q.M. However, you may find some of these suggestions greatly aid in efficiency and well as stability:

   - Turn your fingers inward. By pointing your left hand to your right, and pointing your right hand to your left, you allow the weight of your body to keep a steady center of balance. This saves you the trouble of trying to use your fingers to steady your body, instead letting your weight even yourself out. While this strategy helps Q.M. on the ground, it is especially useful for balancing on rails and ledges, as your mass pushes into the ledge from the sides. This seems to be even more beneficial to those with broad shoulders.
   - Reciprocate. Move your left leg with your right arm, and your right leg with your left arm. This helps even out your weight on both sides of your body at any time.
   - Find your rhythm. It takes alot of practice to find your rhythm, but once you find the perfect ratio between speed and equilibrium, you gain the optimal "rhythm".
   - Find the right butt height. Butt height is just what it sounds like; the elevation of your backside from the ground. If you put your butt too low, you are wasting precious arm energy, basically locked in a perpetual, moving push up. On the other hand, if your butt is too  high, you aren't utilizing enough of your arm strength, and you run a much higher chance of tangling up your arms and legs. Some people find that a good butt height to start from is knee height."


Not totally right sorry, but thanks for trying to explain, detail and give insight to everybody ;-)

"   -Moving through enclosed spaces (through tunnels, under cars, under tables, etc.).
   -Maintaining a low center of balance (especially on an incline).
   -Evading by using Q.M. to stay concealed (or present a smaller target) while maintaining momentum."

Yes, very right. Your forgetting one important use which is to cross a zone where walking is very risky, such as icy or snowy or very sliding rocks, ice layers on water (so your weight is more dispatched and it's less risky to break the layer). In case your ankles or feet are seriously hurt, you can walk that way (feet and knees).

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   - Turn your fingers inward. By pointing your left hand to your right, and pointing your right hand to your left, you allow the weight of your body to keep a steady center of balance. This saves you the trouble of trying to use your fingers to steady your body, instead letting your weight even yourself out. While this strategy helps Q.M. on the ground, it is especially useful for balancing on rails and ledges, as your mass pushes into the ledge from the sides. This seems to be even more beneficial to those with broad shoulders."

Yes (or no, depends on how comfortable you are with that way) when progressing on a bar. No when progressing on a flat ground when you need to go fast. Not only it is stressing your wrists, but it then also make your hands act like brakes. Instead, point both hands forward, so you can feel they help greatly the progression just like springs would (plus it also greatly strengthen your wrists). Just like a puma, the hand that is in the air remain relaxed, downward.
Also, there's nothing bad on grabbing the ground with your hands if you feel to, for instance when it is muddy or rocky.

Finally, don't only move forward, but also backward, sideward, then reverse to a position where your face faces the sky, back facing the ground, and move that way in every direction.
Now you know what QUADRUPEDIE is.

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Re: Quadrupedal Movement (QM)
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2006, 10:18:50 AM »
It is really fun in my Gym.  I do it at blinding speed and chase kids that I am coach down.  We play prey and predator.  We give them foam noodles and they take off after me.  Just picture running away from like 10 kids with foam noodles and all you can do is run on your hands and feet.  It is super fun because we usually have big foam obstacle courses up around the gym and I get to Kong, monkey and vault everywhere while I am running.  I would recommend it.  After just a couple mins...your tired and its a good workout.
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