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180 Wallflip?
« on: April 21, 2006, 05:06:49 PM »
So, today I basicly accidentaly did a 2-step, 180 degree wallflip    ............................... ;D ;D ;D

and I'm just wondering, how much, in the opinion of you the apk community, this does to justify the "efficiency or, more or less, "purpose" of a wallflip

*Note:  I'm not expecting you to say this is a completely pure parkour technique or anything now, it's just that one of the bigger arguments against the efficiency of a wallflip has always been that you finish facing backwards, the opposite way of your run, and this is gone with the 180 gdegree turn.

...That and I needed a conduit to brag about my new move  ;)

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Re: 180 Wallflip?
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2006, 06:59:19 PM »
It is more efficient tahn a regular wallflip, but it's just an inefficient move in general. I know your're not talking about like making it parkour, but any type of wallflip is still just running at a wall flipping then running back.

btw, nice job, wish i could do a wallflip.. only just managed to wallspin
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Re: 180 Wallflip?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2006, 06:07:32 PM »
more efficient as in how? it still serves no purpose. the only way that would be parkour is if you ran at a wall with something chasing you and did it over them and got away. but then again i dont think anyone would be cocky enough to try that in a real emergency situation.

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Re: 180 Wallflip?
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2006, 11:06:55 AM »
It can still be used to change direction but would just be easier to jump away from the wall land and roll, then keep running. The flip makes it look cool though.
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Re: 180 Wallflip?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2006, 09:26:47 PM »
Maybe, but if nothing else, don't underestimate what the art of intimidation will do in a crisis situation.

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Re: 180 Wallflip?
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2006, 07:16:18 AM »
true, but as far as the art of movement goes, i don't think it really has a place
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Re: 180 Wallflip?
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2006, 01:19:09 PM »
I will create a scenario where the wallflip is applicable, maybe not the best move but applicable.  picture a wall  halfway down the wall there is a drop perpendicular to the wall.  run diagonally toward where the wall and drop meet do a wallflip and make the drop down.  With the 180 wallflip you could even roll better. 

I'm just pointing out how it can be used.  I frankly hate wallflips in runs as it kills any kind of flow and I can't do them either.
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Re: 180 Wallflip?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2006, 02:59:59 PM »
Awsome man, I asked about 180 wall flips on UF a long time ago...
It turns out, not to many people do them because it's probably easier to just rotate all the way.
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Re: 180 Wallflip?
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2006, 04:01:12 PM »
I will create a scenario where the wallflip is applicable, maybe not the best move but applicable.  picture a wall  halfway down the wall there is a drop perpendicular to the wall.  run diagonally toward where the wall and drop meet do a wallflip and make the drop down.  With the 180 wallflip you could even roll better. 

I'm just pointing out how it can be used.  I frankly hate wallflips in runs as it kills any kind of flow and I can't do them either.

just because it gets you down a drop doesnt make it efficient. any flip can get you down a drop.

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Re: 180 Wallflip?
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2006, 06:42:21 PM »
True.  Look... with relevance to pure unadulterated "travel" parkour, a 180 wallflip has little to no purpose.  That is to say, if it has an efficient purpose somewhere, that is a one in a million situation.  I, however, do not think I'm alone when I say that my practice of parkour is not just for those situations.  The pure, unadulterated parkour is, to me, an adaptable practice which holds it's purpose in combination with other physical arts in any real life situation. 



Take, for example, the same situation Faulkner provided, then add an aggressor, perhaps multiple aggressors, all located at the bottom of the drop  (the drop I'm picturing here is no more than a few feet.  Now, if this drop is inaccessible further back in the direction from which one is running, for whatever reason, say a barbed wire fence along the drop's edge, or just as probable, a good old fashion wall, too high to pass, if in this situation it is necessary to pass through the drop area, but this mob of aggressors is simultaneously pursuing or awaiting you at the base of the drop area, then a 180 wallflip  (the higher takeoff area to lower landing area style ones that you see all over the "brothers journey" video)  would be as far as I see, a very effective means of escaping, passing said obstacles, and foiling your pursuers

Now that scenario took allot of thought and likewise would be nothing short of a rare situation to find oneself in at any time.  So as has been suggested before, a purposefull situation such as this is rare enough to dub the technique inefficient, as you might be able to tell, I'm formulating and altering my opinion as I write   :)  Let me try a simpler situation.

One on one, man vs. man, you vs. the aggressor in a street fight or an assault situation or something.  Your faced with a wall and a pursuer closing in at your heels, in front of you there is just a nice big wall.  Now you can take the direct path of ignoring the wall, stopping in your tracks and facing the opponent in flatland combat, or, bracing yourself against the wall take some other form of direct assault; or you take the alternate path, the one of passive self defence or evasion as is true to the philosophies of parkour... you run up the wall, 180 flip over the fella, and proceed running in the opposite direction.  This, or any situation like it, is, as far as I can see, much more likely to come about if ever your faced with a crisis situation.  It's just a guy chasing you, and a wall in front of you. 

Think up any other movement here which is less "showy" and aesthetically pleasing, but when you facing an aggressor, a 180 wallflip will quickly convince any run-of-the-mill thug that you're quite the fitting adversary, and may persway him to abandon his attempts at subduing you.  To quote from the many lessons of "Batman Begins":


"Theatricality and deception are powerful agents."


"You have to become more than a man in the mind of your opponent."


You see, the obstacles your faced with in parkour, don't always have to be static or inanimate, a man and his impressionability, are sometimes just as much of an obstacle as a rail or a fence.
Now what does this mean in correlation to your training?  I don't know.  You can't plan for these kinds of things.  You can only ground yourself in a whole range of movements with which to refer to in a state of instinctive and momentary reaction based on the situation at hand.  But I think what I'm trying to say is that a 180 wallflip, of all things, still holds a purpose somewhere in life  :)

I don't know if here I've prooven it worthy of loosely holding the title of " legitimate parkour."  All I have done is spill my thoughts out for analysis.  So please let's not turn this into a "to flip or not to flip"  debate, we've had more than enough of those.  All I'm trying to prove is that, parkour or not, the technique can have a real purpose.

That and when I did it, there were a bunch of very attractive girls asking to see me do a "flippy-wall"  ;)  Yeah, a "flippy-wall"
So if, nothing else, it's not bad for impressing girls  ;)

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Re: 180 Wallflip?
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2006, 07:57:04 PM »
damn dan that was long.

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Re: 180 Wallflip?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2006, 09:03:57 AM »
I got a little carried away, I know   :)

It felt good though

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Re: 180 Wallflip?
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2006, 02:25:43 PM »
more efficient as in how? it still serves no purpose. the only way that would be parkour is if you ran at a wall with something chasing you and did it over them and got away. but then again i dont think anyone would be cocky enough to try that in a real emergency situation.

Neo would! ;D

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Re: 180 Wallflip?
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2006, 03:42:24 PM »
you run up the wall, 180 flip over the fella, and proceed running in the opposite direction.  This, or any situation like it, is, as far as I can see, much more likely to come about if ever your faced with a crisis situation.  It's just a guy chasing you, and a wall in front of you. 

i dont buy it. i think youd have to have it timed insanely well for this to work anyway. your running training should already put you considerably in front of this guy, and he would have to be close enough to just grab you anyway for it to work. also, the move is more complicated then say tacing back over the guy.

It can still be used to change direction but would just be easier to jump away from the wall land and roll, then keep running. The flip makes it look cool though.

ive heard people say that palmspins can be used to change direction too. it really isnt all that hard to just turn, and thats definately the most efficient method.
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