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some questions on eggs.
« on: November 13, 2008, 09:03:59 PM »
So I love me some eggs, but I have some questions about them, and I figure you nice guys here at the diet boards may just have some answers!

-First big one is can I eat to many?  I eat about six eggs a day, and would like to know if that's gonna come back to bite me in the ass at any point.  (I eat that many because I'm a vegetarian, and I use eggs as a major source of protein.  I know, I know, that's a horrible diet choice, but I'm sticking with it, so spare me the "eat meat" crap)

-Second question: is there a way to prepare your eggs that is significantly better than others?  As in, scrambled being easier to digest, or hard boiled having a higher protein absorption rate or something.

-And lastly, the only reason that I don't eat even more eggs (other than the aforementioned ignorance to possible health risks) is that I buy organic, and they tend to run the wallet down if I eat more than 3 dozen a week.  is the difference between organic and non organic eggs significant enough to outweigh me eating three or four more a day?

As a small background note, I eat little to no soy, but drink lots of whole milk (nowhere near GOMAD or anything) and eat a LOT of nuts (cashews mostly) and usually have about 20 grams of whey protein in my daily smoothies (i know, super processed, but I've limited my protein options, so I get what I can)
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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2008, 09:12:45 PM »
-First big one is can I eat to many?  I eat about six eggs a day, and would like to know if that's gonna come back to bite me in the ass at any point.  (I eat that many because I'm a vegetarian, and I use eggs as a major source of protein.  I know, I know, that's a horrible diet choice, but I'm sticking with it, so spare me the "eat meat" crap)

You can't really eat too many --- especially if you are trying to gain weight...and especially if it is your only source of protein.

Egg protein is actually some of the best for you.  I actually think you need to be eating 2 dozen eggs a day or so since it is your only REAL protein source...

-Second question: is there a way to prepare your eggs that is significantly better than others?  As in, scrambled being easier to digest, or hard boiled having a higher protein absorption rate or something.

You worry too much.  Just eat your eggs.

If you REALLY want to know, cooked egg protein absorbs better than uncooked...

-And lastly, the only reason that I don't eat even more eggs (other than the aforementioned ignorance to possible health risks) is that I buy organic, and they tend to run the wallet down if I eat more than 3 dozen a week.  is the difference between organic and non organic eggs significant enough to outweigh me eating three or four more a day?

Depends on why you are eating organic.  Every time I make eggs I eat over 6 (sometimes as much as 9) in a single meal...non-organic.  I kinda think Organic eggs are a sham -- but hey that's me.

As a small background note, I eat little to no soy, but drink lots of whole milk (nowhere near GOMAD or anything) and eat a LOT of nuts (cashews mostly) and usually have about 20 grams of whey protein in my daily smoothies (i know, super processed, but I've limited my protein options, so I get what I can)

that seems fine -- but i still think you need to eat at LEAST a dozen eggs a day as a vegetarian...just my opinion though.
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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2008, 09:34:01 PM »
You can't really eat too many --- especially if you are trying to gain weight...and especially if it is your only source of protein.

Egg protein is actually some of the best for you.  I actually think you need to be eating 2 dozen eggs a day or so since it is your only REAL protein source...

24 a day seems a little extreme, but I guess I am on an "extreme" diet without the meat.  If there is little reason not to, I can start eating 16 a day easy, work my way up 24+. 

Depends on why you are eating organic.  Every time I make eggs I eat over 6 (sometimes as much as 9) in a single meal...non-organic.  I kinda think Organic eggs are a sham -- but hey that's me.

If the difference is negligible, and if I'ma start eating two dozen a day, I'll definably have to switch over to non organic (the difference at Costco is something like 2 dozen organic for nine bucks, and 3 dozen for four.)

Also, I assume that I should be spreading my eggs out over several meals in the day, as apposed to eating one massive omlette (something I have been known to do)

Thanks for your quick answers.

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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2008, 09:43:26 PM »
Also, I assume that I should be spreading my eggs out over several meals in the day, as apposed to eating one massive omlette (something I have been known to do)

Yes, since you should be having protein with every meal and snack.  (Really, snacks should be structured much like mini-meals.)  Since eggs are you primary source of protein, they should be spread out with the rest of your meals.
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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2008, 10:06:43 PM »
Also, I assume that I should be spreading my eggs out over several meals in the day, as apposed to eating one massive omlette (something I have been known to do)

Depend on your term of "massive".  Like I said, i have made 9 eggs in a single omelet (and, just for the record, I ate that with steak.. lol).  My smoothies have anywhere from 3-6 Raw eggs.

But, like patrick said, you should be splitting out your meals so that they are all more balanced.

If you eat one big meal and 3 smaller ones you can do like 9 eggs at night, and 5 in the other meals.  or 4 6 egg meals a day...

There's no hard and fast rules.  When you are hungry, make a 3-6 egg omelet/hardboiled/fried/whatever depending on how hungry you are -- add veggies and/or fruit and/or oatmeal with some nuts, olives, avocado, coconut or some other source of fat.  Take it from there.  When you want to focus on losing/gaining then we can focus on the particulars :D
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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2008, 08:39:01 AM »
If anything, I need to gain weight.  Its not that I'm underweight or anything, at 6' and 175 lbs I'm not to far from what I think I should be, but I have been a vegi sence fourth grade, and god only knows what kind of havok that wrought on my body throughout puberty.

Sad truth of the matter is that I'm weak.  I'm strongly concidering the "starting strength" book, but don't know wether it covers my specific diet limitations, so if you have any further tips for what I should be eating while doing it, they would be much appriciated.

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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2008, 09:53:10 AM »
SS will help you get strong.

What is your BF%?
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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2008, 10:06:36 AM »
Not sure what my body fat is, is there an easy way to test it myself?

I'm not too keen on doctors...

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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2008, 10:08:42 AM »
usually trainers at a gym can do it if u just walk in and ask...

or u can buy one of these things though they are somewhat unreliable:

http://www.amazon.com/Omron-HBF-306-Body-Fat-Analyzer/dp/B00006WNPU

Or there are some calculators u can use using body measurements that are FAIRLY accurate...
http://www.he.net/%7Ezone/prothd2.html
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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2008, 10:25:46 AM »
Trey, I am sort of a vegetarian myself and I had to deal with the same issue on eggs as well because they are a good source of protein that still fits well my ethical views (I don't like to kill stuff if I can avoid it).
So to answer your questions, what I recommend is:

On the issue of quantity, a big problem is that eggs are good protein but it takes a lot of them to get enough proteins. A whole egg is ~6g (4 for the egg white alone), and if you are 175 and trying to build muscles you want ideally at least 175g of protein, which would be 29 large whole eggs. That's waaay too much for so many reasons, but most importantly because you will get sick of eggs after day 4 hehe.
What you should consider instead is varying your protein sources more and include some eggs as part of that. Proteins from dairy, especially as protein powders are much cheaper and concentrated, it's a lot easier to drink a glass of 50g protein drink than 8+ eggs.

On the issue of preparation, again I recommend cooking egg whites (uncooked you throw away half of the protein essentially, see link) and probably taking out yolks and just sticking with egg whites if you are going to eat a lot of eggs, because it's a lot easier to balance your total calories, essential fats and other nutrients using egg whites (basically pure proteins, while yolk has 5g of fat for every 2g of protein, not a good tradeoff).

Another note on what you call 'super-processed' foods like whey, they are perfectly fine especially if you know what you are doing and use them to supplement your diet. A multi-vitamin pill is super-processed too and is still a good thing to add to your diet, while there are plenty of unprocessed foods that are still generally bad for you or your goals.

Just look at what your diet is and how far you can get in terms of good food given your budget, taste and other practical considerations, then consider supplementing things that might be lacking, like fiber, vitamins, proteins, and even things like creatine.  As a vegetarian, your levels of creatine are much lower than those of people who can get extra creatine just by eating meat, which naturally contains it. Also you might want to vary and alternate your protein sources based on how fast they are absorbed, whey protein more for workouts and slower absorption proteins like caseins overnight to give you a more steady and prolonged supply of aminoacids.

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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2008, 11:54:11 AM »
i agree with tombb -- you will be horribly bored of eggs by the 4th day...but you need a lot of protein.

supplementation is the only way vegetarians can get the amount of protein they need....but do make sure you eat plenty of eggs regularly since they are the only whole food source of protein you will be getting
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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2008, 12:33:07 PM »
You won't/can't eat fish?

Also isn't there some risk with eating raw eggs?
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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2008, 12:57:27 PM »
Or there are some calculators u can use using body measurements that are FAIRLY accurate...
http://www.he.net/%7Ezone/prothd2.html

Chris, the body fat site you gave me doesn't seem to like firefox or IE, so I'll get back to you on that one.

Another note on what you call 'super-processed' foods like whey, they are perfectly fine especially if you know what you are doing and use them to supplement your diet. A multi-vitamin pill is super-processed too and is still a good thing to add to your diet, while there are plenty of unprocessed foods that are still generally bad for you or your goals.

I actually have a jug of both whey and casein protein, and use them both, though im a little unsure of how much i should supplement, and how much I should be getting from eggs, milk, and nuts.

And as far as a vitamin goes, can you suggest a good one to use for someone not eating meat?  I used to take centrum, but got a little lazy about it.  Also, I am currently taking fish oil every day (kinda not vegetarian? do they kill the fish to get the oil?)

You won't/can't eat fish?

Fish are animals dude...
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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2008, 07:00:08 PM »
You won't/can't eat fish?

Fish are animals dude...
I second that. At least personally, I don't get to eat meat or fish (even really delicious ones or ones that would be good nutritional choices) or anything that you need to kill to eat, and I don't get to wear leather etc. And if I really had to choose which life to take (say if it was the only thing available on a deserted island and I had to starve or kill something and eat it), I would go for the least sophisticated nervous system (and possibly least cute, like puppy dogs and kittens somehow would be on the end of my list hehe). If there was a way to grow meat inexpensively from cells in the lab or something I would definitely go for it, but that's not an option for now.  It's a bit of a sacrifice but it's nice to be self-consistent with your own views as much as possible.
Another note on what you call 'super-processed' foods like whey, they are perfectly fine especially if you know what you are doing and use them to supplement your diet. A multi-vitamin pill is super-processed too and is still a good thing to add to your diet, while there are plenty of unprocessed foods that are still generally bad for you or your goals.

I actually have a jug of both whey and casein protein, and use them both, though im a little unsure of how much i should supplement, and how much I should be getting from eggs, milk, and nuts.

And as far as a vitamin goes, can you suggest a good one to use for someone not eating meat?  I used to take centrum, but got a little lazy about it.  Also, I am currently taking fish oil every day (kinda not vegetarian? do they kill the fish to get the oil?)

Trey, for the most part, the source of a nutrient is inconsequential. Fructose from corn or from apple or from purely chemical synthesis is exactly the same thing. You would not be able to tell them apart in any way.

The only thing that changes is what they come together with and their relative proportions. So for example it's nicer to have fiber and certain vitamins together with sugars instead of the same pure sugars alone, etc.
Thinking of 'natural' or 'wholesome' is a somewhat ~ok rule of thumbs when you are really unsure, but it doesn't always work well and if you know what you are doing you can do much better by choosing the right combination of things yourself from both foods and nicely processed supplements where appropriate. Processed food have often less/worse nutrients, processed supplements usually have more/better nutrients :) )

So in terms of proteins, it doesn't matter much where they come from, protein powders tend to be better in my opinion because they are balanced better for specific purposes (like exercise recovery), and are especially good as a way to add a lot of one nutrient without unbalancing another which is otherwise hard to do. Whey and casein both come from milk/dairy so you can also get them from that, there is no real difference aside from what comes along them, things like lactose, fat and vitamins which are things you may want or things you may not want so much or prefer getting from other sources.

Fish oil is not a vegetarian choice, but again just like table salt (NaCl) is the same thing regardless of the source (chemical reaction or completely purified from seawater etc), you have many other equivalent choices for great essential fats that your body can use. Fish oil is basically a few types of omega-3 oils, and you can get those from a vegetable source, flaxseed oil (they have fairly cheap flaxseed oil pills at most stores). Your body can make various types of omega-3 from each other too, (including the EPA and DHA omega-3 in fish oil). The fish doesn't even make these but simply accumulates them from algae anyways.
As far as vitamin pills specifically for vegetarians, I think something like centrum is already pretty much good enough, you could try to find more sophisticated ones but they would cost more and probably not really be worth it, generally your body can throw away what it doesn't need so something that gives you a bit of everything is a good start. I also mentioned a few things about things you can look for in multivitamins here:
http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php?topic=13261.msg156218#msg156218

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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2008, 07:26:11 PM »
Also, I assume that I should be spreading my eggs out over several meals in the day, as apposed to eating one massive omlette (something I have been known to do)

Depend on your term of "massive".  Like I said, i have made 9 eggs in a single omelet (and, just for the record, I ate that with steak.. lol).  My smoothies have anywhere from 3-6 Raw eggs.


Just a quick question Chris. How the hell do you manage to eat that much? Im 17 years old, but I get stuffed way before that.
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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2008, 09:05:58 PM »
So, for those who may care, ill give a brief recap of my protein intake today:

-eggs x14                           = 84
-whey powder (1.5 scoops)   = 36
-whole milk (3 cups)             = 24
-cheader cheese (1/2 cup)    = 14
-cliff bar (protein from soy?)  = 10

And I'm sure the veggies and grains had some too, but this is the jist of it.

Now, I'm not sure what all the absorbing rate of all of these are, and if any of you have a good article on it, a link would be awesome.

All in all, probably not as much as I may want, but by far more than my body is used too.



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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2008, 09:13:42 PM »
Which totals to... 168.
I could be (and probably am) mistaken, but arent you supposed to consume about your bodyweight in grams of Protein for gain?
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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2008, 09:26:28 PM »
Your body doesn't absorb 100% of the protein you put into it, and the exact % verys depending on what its coming from, but like i said, I'm not sure of all the rates.

so i didn't really get that much protein.

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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2008, 10:21:59 PM »
im always moving man -- and even as a kid/before training I had crazy high appetite, which is why I was fat :P
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Re: some questions on eggs.
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2008, 10:23:32 PM »
I move a TON too, even when factoring out Parkour. I haven't had a huge appetite in quite a while.
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