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Mmmm Ramen..
« on: October 22, 2008, 07:47:15 PM »
Is top ramen or any other kind of ramen really that bad for you?
what about if you cook it with the soup then throw the soup out?

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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2008, 07:53:29 PM »
Ramen is horrible for you. It is basically three ingredients:

1. Processed carbs
2. Processed fats
3. Processed salts

There is nothing good for you in any of those things, and actually a whole lot of bad.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/soups-sauces-and-gravies/7980/2

You're better off cooking buckwheat soba noodles in real chicken or beef stock, and adding sliced chicken or beef (or shrimp), and 3-4 kinds of steamed vegetables.

It's quick, easy, good for you, and hundreds of times more delicious. You can find a recipe for Soba Soup in the Recipe thread in the Diet forum.

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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2008, 08:18:59 PM »
thanks haha
guess ima have to find healthier alternatives. I always just end up eating ramen because its there and convenient most of the time haha

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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2008, 10:59:06 AM »
Ramen is horrible for you. It is basically three ingredients:

1. Processed carbs
2. Processed fats
3. Processed salts

There is nothing good for you in any of those things, and actually a whole lot of bad.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/soups-sauces-and-gravies/7980/2

You're better off cooking buckwheat soba noodles in real chicken or beef stock, and adding sliced chicken or beef (or shrimp), and 3-4 kinds of steamed vegetables.

It's quick, easy, good for you, and hundreds of times more delicious. You can find a recipe for Soba Soup in the Recipe thread in the Diet forum.

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Oh god, that sounds f#cking delicious.

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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2008, 07:39:53 PM »
Lol i cant even begin to describe how good it is

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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2008, 07:57:14 PM »
Lol i cant even begin to describe how good it is

^That or Ramen?

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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2008, 08:04:32 PM »
ramen lol

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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2008, 08:14:52 PM »
u can eat as much ramen as you like...

if you don't mind being in poor health, that is :)
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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2008, 08:01:21 AM »
u can eat as much ramen as you like...

if you don't mind being in poor health, that is :)

Ugh, yeah. I'm a carb-oholic and I love ramen, but I don't believe it's a coincidence that I was basically living on ramen for my last semester of college - and then got a nasty NASTY case of mono right before finals. Basically knocked me on my ass for over a month.

I'm sure it won't kill you to have it every once in a while, but please don't try to live on it! Ramen should NOT be a staple of your diet.
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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2008, 11:07:39 AM »
Most of these types are probably bad right? Like those cup noodles. There is also this bowl type packaged stuff in my pantry... one is Nissin Chow Mein (Chicken flavor) and the other is Maruchan Yakisoba (Chicken Flavor). Mis padres want to get rid of it (i.e. me eat it) but I'm a bit apprehensive since it seems just like Top Ramen.


Btw, Ramen itself isn't bad right? Top Ramen, the crap made by Nissin, is what is bad. Correct or no?
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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2008, 11:18:52 AM »
Most of these types are probably bad right? Like those cup noodles. There is also this bowl type packaged stuff in my pantry... one is Nissin Chow Mein (Chicken flavor) and the other is Maruchan Yakisoba (Chicken Flavor). Mis padres want to get rid of it (i.e. me eat it) but I'm a bit apprehensive since it seems just like Top Ramen.


Btw, Ramen itself isn't bad right? Top Ramen, the crap made by Nissin, is what is bad. Correct or no?

Nissin, Maruchan, they're all the devil.

However, it is a legitimate type of Japanese noodle. Of course, this is where you get into that whole dietary crap about Hi-glycemic carbs that makes me say, "The hell with you, I like noodles, spaghetti, and rice, kiss my ass."

But right, ramen is a real dish, just poorly manufactured for poor people.  :(

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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2008, 03:29:51 PM »
noodles = grains/flour = high GI = bad
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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2008, 03:58:19 PM »
Okie dokie. Thought so but it is still not as bad right...


And this "bad" pretty much only truly matters for intense athletes (us) right? I mean tons of people still eat noodles and will never stop and they seem quite content.
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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2008, 04:58:59 PM »
Well, it's a continuum, really. One quote I like to refer to (from the South Beach diet, of all things) is, "There are no bad foods, only bad habits."

True, there are bad foods out there. But unless you are eating only the "bad" food, by itself, constantly, it tends to balance out with other things. For example, lard. Lard is not considered by many people to be a "health food." But I don't know anyone who eats just spoonfuls of lard every day. Most of the time, when you are consuming lard, you are eating it as an ingredient in other things; for example pie crust. So in this context, it's not as horrible for you as straight lard would be. If anything, the fat in the lard mitigates the sugars and carbs in the flour in the crust, and the sugars in the filling. So it sort of balances things out.

Now, if you ate pie every day, you would not be in an optimized diet, obviously. Avoiding lard in favor of lean meats and vegetables is preferable. But still, life is such that once in a while we encounter pie, and there's no reason you shouldn't have some pie once in a while (with all it's sugary lardy goodness).

The issue with noodles is that most people eat way more carbs than they need. So it's not that ramen itself is "bad" per se; it's that there is so little in ramen that's *good*, that it should truly be a once-in-a-while thing. Yes, most people still eat noodles and they are quite content. However most people also are at risk for weight problems, diabetes, heart disease, etc.

DIET IS THE #1 FACTOR FOR YOUR HEALTH!!! It is the one thing you can most easily control and it affects *everything*. So that is why we advocate eating well on APK, not only for "intense" athletes but for everyone. Honestly, I am a traceuse, but I don't consider myself an "intense" athlete. I would love to be able to train more than 4 hours per week, but really I'm more of a "normal" person than an "intense athlete." Still, I try to avoid ramen (and noodles in general) when I can. If anything, more "intense" athletes can afford to eat noodles more than the average person--if weight control is the goal. But if the goal is building strength and muscle, probably not. (The details of that train of thought are best left to the likes of Chris, Steve, Charles, etc.)

Again, it's a continuum:

Starving<Rotten food<Processed "white" carbs<Processed "whole grain" carbs<Processed meats<Fatty meats<Whole/fresh fruits & nuts/fats<Lean meats & whole vegetables

People may disagree on the exact ordering of the continuum but that's how I see it.

There are two articles stickied here in the diet forum that should clarify this idea in greater detail.

But to get back to your main question, there's not a lot in ramen that your body actually needs except for calories, and you might as well get those calories from other foods that will also give you nutrients along with the calories. Just because people eat ramen and ar "content" doesn't mean they are also "healthy."

The real question about whether or not to eat something is, "How healthy do I want to be?"

another continuum:

Surviving<Living<Thriving<Optimized

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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2008, 05:23:47 PM »
well said ;)
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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2008, 05:26:06 PM »
I dunno, I lived in Japan in high school, and was on the Judo team. We used to eat ramen all the time, and most of them were more fit than I am.

Of course, there are zillions of factors that come into play when you're talking about another country, especially with diet. So I'm not saying this as an argument for the "for ramen" people, and I'm not necessarily advocating it, just pointing out something I observed.
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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2008, 09:55:53 PM »
haha i think a lot of us are talking about different kinds of ramen
could that make a difference?
im talking about the korean ones that come in packages like the nissin ramens but is generally more spicy.

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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2008, 06:28:47 AM »
its all noodles

its all processed

its all bad for you
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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2008, 07:51:20 AM »
its all noodles

its all processed

its all bad for you

This said.. going into a nice Asian restaurant and having a bowl isn't going to kill you.  >_>..  Consider it one of your "cheats."  I wouldn't effin touch the packaged stuff, though.  Has to be freshly made.  Better if the noodles are made in-house, too.

And I'm not saying actual ramen is going to be good or better or anything.. It's still bad for you.  But if you enjoy it, have it every so often.  I probably have it four times a year.
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Re: Mmmm Ramen..
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2008, 09:31:03 AM »
its all noodles

its all processed

its all bad for you

This said.. going into a nice Asian restaurant and having a bowl isn't going to kill you.  >_>..  Consider it one of your "cheats."  I wouldn't effin touch the packaged stuff, though.  Has to be freshly made.  Better if the noodles are made in-house, too.

And I'm not saying actual ramen is going to be good or better or anything.. It's still bad for you.  But if you enjoy it, have it every so often.  I probably have it four times a year.

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