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1500 calories seems awfully low
« on: September 02, 2008, 12:29:10 PM »
In researching nutrition info on crossfit, I came across this on the "start here" -- "nutrition info" page:

"The CrossFit dietary prescription is as follows:
Protein should be lean and varied and account for about 30% of your total caloric load.
Carbohydrates should be predominantly low-glycemic and account for about 40% of your total caloric load.
Fat should be predominantly monounsaturated and account for about 30% of your total caloric load.
Calories should be set at between .7 and 1.0 grams of protein per pound of lean body mass depending on your activity level. The .7 figure is for moderate daily workout loads and the 1.0 figure is for the hardcore athlete. "


I am a moderately active male, 5-7, 160 lbs, probably 15-18% body fat. According to the information above (calories set at .7 grams per pound of lean body mass), my totals, based on a 40/30/30 setup, would look like this:

1,500 calories
112g protien
150g carbs
50g fat

The totals seem far too low to sustain a moderately active lifestyle and to build muscle.

Have I misinterpretd crossfits prescription? Thanks.

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Re: 1500 calories seems awfully low
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2008, 12:46:38 PM »
Your caloric need is roughly 2300 kcal assuming moderate exercise 5 days a week and assuming your around 18.

Normal fat loss programs will put you around 1800 kcal a day

Extreme fat loss programs will put you at 1500 kcal a day

So yes, it is awfully low, but not when you consider the types of foods the Zone would like you to take in on a daily basis. Most of the foods are very calorically dense and are whole increasing your satiated feeling. If you're a sugar junkie and plan on starting this tomorrow on the dot and to every stipulation then prepare to feel absolutely horrible for a week or two.

I don't know as much as I should about the Zone so if anything else needs to be stated I'm sure Chris will pipe in. I believe he followed this method when he did his own extreme weight loss.

With all this being said, you're not too far off from where you should be. Unless you want a 6 pack in a couple weeks. Generally speaking, going a little up in weight and dropping 5% in bf would be just as great for you as a calorie restrictive diet.

Me personally, I would change my work out routine and start fixing the foods in my diet before fixing the calories and going from there. But everyone is different.

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Re: 1500 calories seems awfully low
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 01:02:38 PM »
Where did you get your BF% from?  Are you sure it is that high?

If you are 160 with 15% BF then you are at 136 lbs of lean mass.  That means you should be eating somewhere between 95 and 136g of protein a day.  (.7 to 1.0).

The Max Calories you will consume on this scheme would be around 1,800.  The lowest you would on this scheme would be 1,266.

Bear in mind, there is a whole section of fitness gurus that believes CrossFitters are starving themselves....but if your goal is weight loss then this is the amount of calories you would need, without a doubt.

Keep in mind that x-fit is for general preparedness and they try to accommodate the average joe -- who is trying to lose weight, coincidentally enough.

As I said above, if you want to lose weight, then 1500 kcal will get you there quickly...

If you do not want to lose weight, you just want to maintain, then you need to up those calories.


So lets start here -- what are your goals?!



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So yes, it is awfully low, but not when you consider the types of foods the Zone would like you to take in on a daily basis. Most of the foods are very calorically dense and are whole increasing your satiated feeling. If you're a sugar junkie and plan on starting this tomorrow on the dot and to every stipulation then prepare to feel absolutely horrible for a week or two.

Well...yeah its low.  The goal with the x-fit nutrition program is minimal BF which is always going to call for a calorically restrictive diet.

This has little to do with the caloric density of "zone foods".  First off, there is nothing that is considered a zone food.  Sears specifically states in his books that you can eat whatever you want so long as you adhere to the ratio and diet prescription -- that will result in a caloric deficit.

With that said, the zone promotes the use of foods that are NOT calorically dense.  This is to add volume to the food and suppress the inevitable hunger that ensues from a calorically restrictive diet. 

The added volume allows stomach stretch receptors to suppress appetite a bit -- but this doesn't really work too well for too long as anyone on the zone or caloric restriction will tell you.

Realistically, foods that aren't calorically dense tend to just be better for you.

I don't know as much as I should about the Zone so if anything else needs to be stated I'm sure Chris will pipe in. I believe he followed this method when he did his own extreme weight loss.

For the record, I did the zone when I was already at around 8-10% BF and it worked well to keep energy levels up and maintain my weight.  However, I did not use it for weight loss explicitly -- i did my own thing and then found out about the zone later.  As it turns out, I am fairly certain i would have had better success on the strict zone diet if I had known about it, despite losing 60 lbs in 5 months or so.

My diet was pretty simple -- eat lots of veggies, lots of meat and limit fats (since they are calorically dense, not because they breed fat).  This worked well for me, but some people require the structure of the Zone.

Back to the issue at hand though....we need to know your goals before we can really Rx the best diet for you.  The CrossFit nutrition plan will work best for you if you want to lose weight while not being a zombie with an attitude.
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Re: 1500 calories seems awfully low
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2008, 04:45:56 PM »
Chris is absolutely right. In fact, I was about to post almost everything he said before I actually read the thread thoroughly. :-[

However, I noticed you said you want to build muscle. If so, I'd suggest going for a 40/40/20 or a 45/35/20 split. As Chris said, this depends totally on your goals and training style. Para mi, I'd trade out that extra 10 percent into protein in a heartbeat.

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Re: 1500 calories seems awfully low
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2008, 05:26:41 PM »
Chris is absolutely right. In fact, I was about to post almost everything he said before I actually read the thread thoroughly. :-[

However, I noticed you said you want to build muscle. If so, I'd suggest going for a 40/40/20 or a 40/30/20 split. As Chris said, this depends totally on your goals and training style. Para mi, I'd trade out that extra 10 percent into protein in a heartbeat.

thanks :P

I don't really agree with double carbs in relation to protein, but i think that it would probably be a better start compared to what most people are on :P
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Re: 1500 calories seems awfully low
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2008, 06:09:52 PM »
Sorry, I should've labeled my numbers.

Protein/Carbs/Fats.
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Re: 1500 calories seems awfully low
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2008, 06:16:13 PM »
clarified...

may even want to cut the carbs below 40 with that much protein and up the fats if you are finding you are having a hard time losing weight.
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