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Asians and rice.
« on: August 12, 2008, 11:24:55 AM »
Steve Low has commented over the years that Asians can process the carbs in rice more efficiently than other ethnic groups, yet I've never seen this backed up by any scientific research.  To me, it sounds a bit like hogwash (what about Native Americans and corn, Italians and whatever the hell they make pasta out of?).. but I'm still curious.

Soooo... is tehre any backing to this claim?
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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2008, 01:49:04 PM »
Uh, at least anecdotal experience from me (and some others I know).

Rice doesn't clobber us (as much) glycemically and make us go into a food coma as much as your average white/black/whatever person from what I've seen.

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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2008, 08:35:57 PM »
anecdotally....

large portions of rice = naptime for this white italian
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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2008, 09:21:41 PM »
Anecdotally... :)

When I was so sick recently and couldn't eat for a whole day, of course the thing I craved like mad when my appetite returned was Chinese fried rice. I think part of it was just because of the salt (I was also severely dehydrated) and the fact that rice is easy to digest and my tummy was still pretty shaky. Also the little scrambled egg bits in it sounded awesome to me for some reason.

We went to our favorite place and I put away that fried rice like you wouldn't believe. I think it was gone in something like 90 seconds, and it was a big heaping plate.

I felt sooooo happy and energized afterwards. But maybe that had more to do with the fact that I had been starving for something like 36 hours, and had suddenly gotten a huge infusion of glucose. :) However I didn't really experience a crash like I thought I would.

In any case I am using an exceptional situation to talk about a generality, which is stupid. Good heavens I'm on a tangent. Apologies all around. :)

To actually address your question from a more general anecdotal point of view...

Until I switched to a more sensible carb ratio in my diet, I never noticed how sleepy carbs made me. Probably because I am an active person by nature anyway. But it wasn't until I went extreme (I did South Beach for a while) against the carbs, and then re-introduced them, that I noticed how much they wipe me out.

I'm not sure if this was because I had weaned myself off of them and so then just a little bit would hit me hard, or if it had always been that way and I'd just never noticed because I was so used to eating carbs and operating at that energy level all the time. I suppose it would be six of one/half dozen of another anyhow. I mean, the net effect was the same.

I find that if my carb intake is higher, I tend to get "the afternoon sleepies" more readily; I hit that slump between 2 and 4ish in the afternoon; that gastronomic witching hour that all the diet advice warns you about, in which everyone at the office gets a hankering for a Snickers or something, or they'll slip into a coma at their desks. When my carb intake is lower, I breeze right through that phase. I may still get hungry, but I'm not craving "energy" so much as just feeling like my stomach is empty and needs a couple handfuls of nuts and a slice or two of cheese or something.

I am not Asian, by the way. :)

So, for whatever that information is worth, there you go. It's an interesting question, Animus, and I have often found myself wondering the same thing.
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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2008, 04:19:00 AM »
Wait wait wait...

...People crash from eating carbs...?
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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2008, 04:54:13 AM »
Er...yeah :P

High carbs, especially those that are high GI cause a spike in insulin to keep the carbs under control.

This spike in insulin causes a rapid decline in blood sugar as your body over compensates. 

Think of it like this: You set your thermostat to 50 degrees and the room is cooled off as such.  Suddenly, you thrown 25 people into this room generating lots of body heat.  The room heats up too rapidly for the AC to adjust, and it just starts shooting out 20 degree air on the ultra high setting to compensate for the change in temperature.  Suddenly, all 25 people leave and the thermostat is still shooting out 20 degree air until the room is at 20 degrees...even though you have it set to 50.

Thermostat = Negative Feedback System within your body controlling blood sugar
People = Carbs
Cool Air = Insulin

This causes the blood sugar to decrease as it is being tucked away in your cells -- likely storage cells like adipose tissue...if you're lucky, muscles.

Since your insulin spikes up and your blood sugar drops rapidly, it causes your brain to lack sugars.  Lack of sugar to the brain means there is less for the cells up in that big-mess-o'-neurons to uptakes for use to carry out proper cell function.

This means your brain doesn't function properly and at the least you feel "sluggish"....but in most cases it leads to people wanting to take a siesta - which isn't possible in the US so people drag through the day wishing they could hit a bed.

As their hormone levels normalize, this tired or sluggish sensation goes away.

This is another reason high carb diets are awful.
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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2008, 06:07:25 AM »
I don't remember any tired feelings from eating a lot of carbs (Vietnamese food is basically all carbs, unfortunately)..  Weiiird.  This is almost as big a shock to me as when I found out not everyone gets violently sick from dairy products.

I found out two years ago that turkey makes people tired, too.  After Thanksgiving dinner, I'm always like, "ALL RIGHT!  Let's go out!"  "..dude.. let's take a nap.."  " ???"
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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2008, 06:59:07 AM »
Since everyone is sharing anecdotal evidence,  I am about as white as possible and I can eat tons of carbs, be it rice, pasta, potatoes, whatever without crashing, in fact if I don't eat a lot of everything including carbs I crash.  Just this morning I have already eaten about 200 grams of carbs and only lowly 60 grams of protein and I feel really good.  It does seem to me quite possible that some people are better able to handle different types of food than others both because of genetics and because of what you are used to eating and because of what activities you participate in.

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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2008, 09:31:01 AM »
I don't remember any tired feelings from eating a lot of carbs (Vietnamese food is basically all carbs, unfortunately)..  Weiiird.  This is almost as big a shock to me as when I found out not everyone gets violently sick from dairy products.

I found out two years ago that turkey makes people tired, too.  After Thanksgiving dinner, I'm always like, "ALL RIGHT!  Let's go out!"  "..dude.. let's take a nap.."  " ???"

Actually, thats more than likely due to the carbs...

The tryptophan quantity in turkey is not nearly enough to cause the fatigue people experience after a big Thanksgiving dinner...

While there is a lot of turkey in thanksgiving, its usually blown away by things like stuffing, fried and stuffed vegetables, mashed potatoes, cranberry sauce, sweet potatoes, etc etc.

Look at your plate this November and let me know what you see.  Guaranteed its going to be mostly carbs...something like 60-80% of the calories...depending on if you're a low fat fanatic :P

Since everyone is sharing anecdotal evidence,  I am about as white as possible and I can eat tons of carbs, be it rice, pasta, potatoes, whatever without crashing, in fact if I don't eat a lot of everything including carbs I crash.  Just this morning I have already eaten about 200 grams of carbs and only lowly 60 grams of protein and I feel really good.  It does seem to me quite possible that some people are better able to handle different types of food than others both because of genetics and because of what you are used to eating and because of what activities you participate in.

You and animus are both just fortunate...and i am betting have not tried carb restriction yet.

Carby dishes always made me tired -- and now that im not used to it, they make me hit the wall hard.

If I eat pizza, im done-zo for the night.
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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2008, 10:20:51 AM »
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You and animus are both just fortunate..
My wife tells me that all the time, she says it is not fair that I can consume mounds of food and never gain weight.  But again I think it goes back to genetics, activity level, and what you are used to.  I for example have always had a very high metabolism, exercise a lot, and am bigger/taller than an average person, therefore I consume a lot of calories and a lot of those are from carbs, but my body tends to find a use for them right away.  Though to be honest about how many carbs I eat, almost all of my carbs do come from fruits,veggies, dairy, and minumually processed grains (i.e. no white anything) and when I do eat all these carbs, it always with a mixture of a lot of other stuff, like meat, veggies, salad and nuts.  If I do eat a bunch of straight sugar, like a big piece of chocolate cake, I most definitely get the sugar crash.

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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2008, 02:45:13 PM »
Chris, you already know I've been restricting carbs lately.  :p

I'll give some more input when I get back onto them.  Maybe it'll change things for me.  Or maybe ther eis something to this Asian blood.
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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2008, 04:44:52 PM »
you haven't been carb restricting long enough.  Give it 6-8 weeks.  Your body will react radically different to foods.
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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2008, 05:10:49 PM »
you haven't been carb restricting long enough.  Give it 6-8 weeks.  Your body will react radically different to foods.

Yeah, I wans't planning on going back to it so soon.  Just saying that I'll give an update when I do, to see if my body has a different reaction.
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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2008, 06:29:56 AM »
If you are hypoglycemic carbs = running time, i eat rice a lot, i especially like a bowl right before i go running, it keeps me  from dragging my feet towards the end of the jam

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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2008, 07:49:53 AM »
If you are hypoglycemic carbs = running time, i eat rice a lot, i especially like a bowl right before i go running, it keeps me  from dragging my feet towards the end of the jam


Hm...even if you are hypoglycemic you should avoid high carb foods like rice -- especially on an empty stomach -- especially if you don't eat a lot of fiber -- especially if its all you're eating.

Rather than reiterate, I would encourage you to read our thread on rices and grains:
http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php?topic=9301.0

Also, here is some info on Hypoglycemia from the National Institute of Health: http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/hypoglycemia/

It says and I quote:
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choose high-fiber foods

avoid or limit foods high in sugar, especially on an empty stomach

Granted they recommend rice -- but as a variety of food in balanced meals -- where you will be getting fiber, protein and fat to buffer absorption.
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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2008, 07:03:28 PM »
Oh man, I am hypoglycemic as well and the very thought of rice when I am low makes me dizzy. The crash I get from rice is horrible! When my sugar starts to get low I usually have a little juice or a piece of fruit, some yogurt or cheese, and maybe some scrambled eggs if I can.
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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2008, 02:17:29 PM »
adrenal glands.  carbs cause stress.  stress when unable to deal with...causes the crash.  the fatigue.  adrenals are kicked to death.  So. animus and the other guy just haven't broken down their adrenals quite yet.  Carbs don't help much.  People like me used to never crash.  then I went through the IB program in high school, then all the way to chiro school-  I was crushed under mounds of stress.  now, i'm only barely recovering.  Its taking a lot of work too.  carbs are stress, just like emotions can be stress.  just cause you can deal with stress doesn't mean it ISN'T stress :).
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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2008, 05:33:30 PM »
Not to mention stress is inflammatory which leads to a lot of nasty side effects. Basically, catabolic/negative emotions/shorter life span/etc. -- pretty much everything negative -- is in someway associated with each other.

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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2008, 01:59:56 PM »
Chris, Ken, and Steve should have some ultra informative love child that does nothing but tell us how to live better :D

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Re: Asians and rice.
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2008, 10:23:29 PM »
Add Muse in and you're talking. The child could also correct our French grammar and teach us to bend in ways we didn't know existed, then readjust our backs when we break them due to failing at flexibility.
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