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The gear thread
« on: November 14, 2005, 01:00:50 AM »
Ever parkour forum has one, so I figured I would get the ball rolling here. Reveiw and talk about your equipment here. I have thought about gear way to much so here is the synthesis of my overly active mind.

For those of you newer to the sport I'll offer the standard advice on what you need. Basically it comes down to a pair of good athletic trainers and some clothes that you are comfortable in that allow lots of movement and don't get in your way.

For trainers you want a shoe that is good for running in (so no skate shoes), grips various surfaces well (many trail runners have a tread too aggressive for concrete), has descent shock absorption especially in the forefoot (lacking in many traditional road running shoes), and one would like it to be durable, toe bumpers are nice plus to cushion those cat leaps. The fit needs to be snug or your greatly increasing your risk of injury on landings. Plastic mid arches are a no no they will make you slip if you land on them.

The most recommended parkour shoes I have seen, are the Nike air Pegasus, the Merrell Slam, the Asics gel legato or gel 1100, and the Adidas Nova.

Personally I think the ideal parkour shoe would have climbing sticky rubber out sole on the bones of good trail runner. I have been researching a group of shoes known as mountain running or running approach shoes that seem pretty close to that description, unfortuneatly nobody carries them but here is what i have been able to learn.

Five Ten access. A freind of mine got a pair of these he said the grip was incredible but otherwise it was poorly designed shoe which was difficult to lace tightly had little cushioning and didn't feel supportive enough.
http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/product.asp?s_ID=0&dept_id=10077&pf_id=PAAAIAMFDPBCLDBD&ad_id=Froogle

La Sportiva Exum Ridge. http://www.zappos.com/n/p/p/7138232.html
This shoe is extremely highly rated by the adventure racing crowd and la sportivas in genereal are considered a super high quality brand. Another freind got these so far he likes them, says the grip is incredible, the cushioning pretty good, the stability excellent and they run better then his merrell stretchs. The sole is apparently somewhat stiff

The La Sportiva Rajas: http://www.sportiva.com/products/prod/304
This shoe is my new desire, it has a hybrid rubber sole combinging a harder high traction climbing rubber with softer high traction trail running rubber. Should stick to everthing. Its got a lot of good design features for foot protection support and stability. They also sell a gore tex version called the neva.

The La sportiva Cardiff: http://www.sportiva.com/products/prod/305
Similar to the above but without a hybrid rubber sole.

La Sportiva Superfly and Slingshot: Very lightweight fast shoes the first with straight climbing sole, might be good for someone not looking for a allot of shock absorbtion.

The Montrail CTC: http://www.zappos.com/n/p/p/7213958.html
Sticky rubber sole with climbing tread in the front, traction heel in the back. Highly rated maybe a bit stiff and high of the ground for our purposes. I am going to go try this shoe out soon. Montrail are excellent shoes, they fit extremely well are known for durability.

The Montrail Kinabula: http://www.zappos.com/n/p/dp/4580379/c/7992.html
Carbon rubber traction sole designed for traction on wet surfaces as well as dry. Built on adapted version of montrail highly rated integrafit last. I would make sure to try this one out before buying it might really work for our purposes might no

The Salomon Dreamer http://www.zappos.com/n/p/p/7156417.html
I bought this shoe recently been injured so I haven't had much time to test them out. I will give my impressions on it as of now but they may change. The grip is exceptional the previous most grippy trainer I had was the nike air pegasus and this shoe beats it hands down on every surface I have tried it on. The sole is some what stiff and I feel higher of the ground then I would like. The shock absorbtion is exceptional however I am not sure I feel as supported or stable as I would like, the shoe is very difficult to lace tightly.
Not sure how I feel about them completely yet, I was stoked on them at first now I am considering returning them.

Besides shoes, pants are probably the most important piece of equipment. Pants can limit your mobility or get in your way if you have the wrong ones and many pants that don’t inhibit your performance will just get ripped to shreds by parkour.
The most common things I have seen people train in are jeans, cargo pants, sweats and track bottoms.

Jeans: the good thing about them is the can handle allot of rough treatment, but even when they fit real well they’ll inhibit movement to some degree, and they become uncomfortable for running long periods of time in. I tend to tear the crotches out of my jeans, if I try to use them as running around pants. If your really lake Jeans try to find a gusseted crotch denim pant like the Prana Sonora pant.

Cargo pants: Never really used general cargo pants.

Track bottoms and Sweat pants: Awesome mobility, if you get a good pair they’ll perform well in various conditions too. Durability is usually not good. I tear the crotches out of these too.

I looked pretty hard into finding the best pants for parkour cause I have habit of destroying pants, and what I keep coming back to is climbing pants climbers have the closest to demands to traceurs in what the need from pants. Most climbing pants are made with gusseted crotch to allow more freedom of movement their designed to be durable, well fiting and not to get in your way. The most recommended pants I could find were the Prana stretch Zion pants. I just got a pair myself. Other highly recommended brands were, Arborwear, Patagonia, Arcteryx, North Face, Horny toad, and Gramacci.

Shirts are not a big issue but for some conditions its nice to have sweat wicking performance type top these can be found at a REI or a running shoe store.

Well enough with introduction here’s my reviews.

Salomon XA pro comp trail shoes:
I liked these shoes overall quite a bit, they fit perfect, were awesome for just running and looked pretty good, none the less I can’t recommend them for couple reasons. Which will be explained below
Style: 7 the looked good a little flashy for my taste but not bad.
Grip: 5 running over most surfaces was fine but tyring to go up or across hard vertical surfaces they tread was just to agressive for it to really grip.
Cushion: 7 not shoe designed for cushion I still never really negatively felt the ground in them, like most trail runners they had little extra forefoot cushion which is nice plus of traditional trainers.
Support: 7 like most trailer runners there wasn't allot of ankle support but my foot allways felt snug and supported.
Price: 90 dollars not unreasonable not great.
Durability: 4 after 5 months the tread started coming of and the laces started unraveling which stupidly there is no way to fix on these shoes.

Nike Air Pegasus 2005:
Very nice feel out of the box, good cushion super grippy, very nice ride.
Style: 2 ugly, I dislike white shoes and these are particular ugly.
Grip: 9 Best I have encountered as far as gripping surfaces, somewhat to cushioned though to feel surfaces easily
Cushion: When running perfect super soft, when jumping not as great, hard to feel rails some times and for drops the forefoot cushion felt lacking.
Support: 6 okay not as good as the salomons but not noticable bad either
Price: 80 bucks not cheap but not to bad
Durability: 2, 2 months and the toe is coming apart and the tread is peeling off
Recommendation part of the reason the fell apart so fast on me was because their not designed for runners my size so they might be good shoe for light framed traceur.

Montrail Masai:
Provisional reveiw, Just got these, highly recomended trailer runners
Style: 8 Nice looking the go well with my wardrobe not to attention grabbing
Grip: 7 nice and sticky on dry surfaces not as good on wet surfaces so far, I think it may get better with wear
Cushion: 7 feels okay to do drops on, the foam may be a little to thick though I want to feel closer to the ground.
Support: 9 Really good snug fit good support heel doesn't move.
Price: On sale at the rei outlet for 50 bucks.
Durability: We'll see.
Recommendation: We’ll see

Mad Squid board shorts:
Style: 9 I love my shorts they look nice
Durability: 10 I have been wearing these for ever
Mobility: 8 well there shorts so you expect good mobility and they never really inhibited my movement but they could have been better.
Price: Can’t remember

Gramacci orginal pant:
Style: 9 I loved the way these pants looked very subtle but cool looking.
Durability: 0 I ripped the crotch out of two pairs in a month. I know two other people who did the same thing, and they’re advertised as durable pants. The fabric took a beating everywere else but the crotch was just not designed right.
Mobility: 6 gusseted crotch but since the fabric was just denim.
Price: Around 40 bucks cheap for climbing pants.

REI Adventure pants:
Style: 4 ugly
Durability: 3 got torn at the first jam I used them for
Mobility: 9 basically no restrictions
Price: 30 something nice and cheap

Prana Strech Zion pants:
Style: 9 pretty sweet looking cuff is to wide in my opinion
Durability: Not sure yet, supposed to be good
Mobility: 10 absolutely no restriction
Price: 60 dollars fairly expensive
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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2005, 03:39:29 AM »
Cool, if you can put together some more in-depth reviews they would make some good content for the main site. It would be nice to get a little more information than you've provided with just a few words per product! :D

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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2005, 03:48:39 AM »
That's an awesome list!! As gear said, if you could expand on one I'd be happy to put it up on the main page as a review, which is something I'd like to get going!!
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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2005, 07:47:47 AM »
you can also find some GREAT info on shoes in one of the ariticles written for the main page already  ;) ;)

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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2005, 09:37:34 AM »
yeah there is a general "what to wear for pk" article on the main site as well.

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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2005, 12:38:21 PM »
I'll be trying out  shoes as I have the time and once feel like I have a really good recomendation to offer for something I have actually worn thats when I would want to put up a reveiw.
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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2005, 02:01:35 PM »
as far as shoes go, marells are good.dunno if i spelled that right.
i wear track pants while pking, and a loose shirt.
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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2005, 02:44:39 PM »
Be sure to read up on the what shoes to wear article. if you havent bought the shoes already, its a good shopping guide.

and im not just plugging my article over and over, haha. :)

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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2005, 02:54:44 PM »
Thought I'd add something to your list Fael. If you don't mind.

As far as footwear I wear a pair of Columbias. Not like the hardcore work boots, but like the hiking shoes. Have good grip and ankle support.

Style: 5 I like them, but then I've always liked hiking shoes etc. But not that flashy or eye catching.
Grip: 7.5 They do the job, though some of the lack of grip might be due to some of my inexperience
Cushion: 8 it's a hiking shoe so it's made to be comfortable and have cushioning
Support: 7 again it's a hiking shoe so it's made to give support too, but not perfect cause it isn't a boot
Price: Around 60-70 If I remember right
Durability: had them for over a year and a half and are still going strong. Bottoms are a little worn but still good there and cushion is still soft for the most part.

If you haven't tried just regular Cargos those are something I would recommend. That's what I wear to jams and training sessions is a pair I got from Areopstole. Same pair since I started haven't' ripped, or anything, and they look good too. Also they have those little cargo pockets for convenient for holding wallet/keys/cell or whatever else your little heart desires, without worrying about them falling out and they don't get in the way of whatever I'm doing either.

Style: 9 Love me some cargos, and Areopostole's a name brand  ;)
Durability: 8 haven't had any problems here, haven't' ripped or torn, good strong material so far
Mobility: 8 no problems for me, thought can't say I've tried to do the splits in them
Price: about 30 - 40 I do believe, this was like 2 years ago when I got them so prices probably have fluctuated
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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2005, 04:23:21 PM »
i know a lot of people don't like shoes with "springs" but to each his own b/c  i love my adidas a3 cushions (i just bought a second pair). i bought the originals last summer (over a year ago) to test them out b/c i refused to buy nike shox, although i can't really remember why, and wanted to see how they performed. i run almost every day and did some parkour almost everyday this past summer and after these roughly 15 months of abuse, they are the best they've ever been. they are perfectly broken in, they are flexible and tight, the tread is still great, especially on concrete they stick like glue. i never thought they would last this long with the abuse i've put them through but they are great, i paid almost $90 for them over a year ago and just paid $45 including shipping for my second pair and it's the best deal i've ever gotten. the only problem i ever had with them is i put a different sole in them that was kind of thick and they felt high and i rolled my ankle, since then i've put the original soles back in (they're nearly worn through) and it fixed it. they feel plenty low to the ground, have great grip, and they are not even close to falling apart yet. im just now breaking in my second pair and am super happy with them.

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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2005, 05:42:31 PM »
its not like springs are the thing that turns most of us off. Its the way the springs are connected to the rest of the sole. a3's have this little plastic bridge in the arch of the sole that connect to the front of the sole, and that usually only takes about 3 misplaced rail precisions to break right through. yes youre supposed to land on the ball of your feet in rail precisions, but nobody has dont them perfectly every time in their life  ;)
But you are right, to each his own. in the end its definately your call. if you dont find too much need for rail precisions, i wouldnt see much need for anything more. for running, the a3 are probably amazing... its just that 1% that some people want to eliminate.

thanks for that short shoe review though  :)!

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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2005, 09:03:41 PM »
I use gel asic somethingorothers right now. Great grip on dry things in the beggining, if they were solid, and they've got decent shock absorbtion, but the grip is coming off and they have that goddamn plastic thing in the bridge. If my prescisions weren't absolutely perfect, I'd have a problem with them. Hence the problem. They're medium weight.
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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2005, 09:17:15 PM »
No problem wolf I would hope people would use this thread to reveiw the gear they use.
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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2005, 03:34:41 PM »
Can't do any great review or anything, just wanna say a huge thing with shoes for me is durability. My current shoes were ripped to shreds in a few months, which isn't too good. You want the grip to last as well, otherwise when you try and do a wall run or popvault you have a tendency to just slide off when you touch the wall. Not fun. =/

Really that's the only equipment I find is of much value in Parkour. Some people go for the gloves, but I prefer to toughen up my hands and stuff. *shrugs*

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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2005, 12:11:20 AM »
Durability is defineatly an issue, but given the ridiculous warrentee's you can get on shoes from many dealers it is not that big a deal to me, no shoes are designed to take the pounding we put them through, and most runners I know are happy if a shoe lasts a year. My salomon XA pro trail shoes lasted 6 months and I was able to return them for their full price at REI, thats not to bad a deal if you ask me.
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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2005, 03:41:07 PM »
I really like anything aisic. I have a HUGE arch in my foot and they're the only shoes that support it. have held up excellent too.

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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2005, 04:41:36 PM »
ive tried a few shoes - the five.ten access, the merrell slam IIs, some other adidas, and my favorite is...

adidas savage (trail runner)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007Y42YY/ref=ord_cart_shr/002-1911228-3173639?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A363XKZVKSMVXW&v=glance

why i like it:
- light, snug
- good toe coverage
- agressive, yet flexible tread
- good "feel" for doing rail precisions, the sole isnt too thick
- good fit and cushioning overall
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Re: The gear thread
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2005, 06:31:47 PM »
i have used about 5 different shoes to train in (3 if you don't count a pair of skate shoes and a cheap ass walmart brand) and so far the best shoes have come from asics. they are very durable, they have good grip, they are generally light weight, and they are well cushioned. the pair i am using right now cost about $45 from dicks sporting goods, and they are the asics gel tiogas