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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #180 on: November 10, 2009, 10:52:16 AM »
we should practice rolls from decent enough height so if we're ever in that situation you can be ready and know what to do.
-this is my tid-bit im not telling anyone to do anything at all, exspecially if your uncomfortable with them. if you do, do these high-impact falls wear like 2shirts and a decently thick hoody for cushion and safety.

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And, multiple shirts and a hoodie are not going to help you. At all. Especially your legs. It's not the roll that hurts you, it's the drop.

To anyone who reads this thread: No. NO NO NO! Just don't do drops! It's not that hard. Stay off roofs and avoid situations where you might have to do a big drop. Please.

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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #181 on: November 10, 2009, 12:34:41 PM »
+1

IMHO you should be able to do all your drops in bare feet. If it gives you pain in bare feet, you aren't doing it right.

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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #182 on: November 10, 2009, 12:38:59 PM »
Karma no longer exists, but thanks for the thought, haha.

Yeah I know, +1 is a way of saying "Way to go!", "I agree" etc etc.  ;D

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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #183 on: November 11, 2009, 12:56:15 AM »
we should practice rolls from decent enough height so if we're ever in that situation you can be ready and know what to do.

I find the deep streak of paranoia that runs through our community pretty funny.  A lot of people make statements like this, about being prepared for any emergency, etc.  Honestly, how often do y'all find yourselves immersed in life or death violence or chases?  If it's even occasionally, then may want to consider a change.

Most of us would be far better served by preparing for the emergency we're likely to encounter: a medical emergency.  Take CPR and First Aid, or better yet get certified as a First Responder or EMT.  Whether you end up helping a friend who slipped on some dust while taking off for a catleap, or a coworker with a seizure disorder that no one knew about, you'll be grateful you took the time to learn how to be useful in the types of every day emergencies that affect us all.

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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #184 on: November 11, 2009, 06:46:33 AM »
;) im glad we dont have karma no more people hate my comments  ;D it doesnt bother me because i didnt tell anyone to do these drops i do it and my team does when they feel like it i dont make them do high impact falls....but i disagree with the last comment i was cpr certified at one point and ive never had to use it, but i have fall'n off decks and out of trees and off stuff, your goiong to fall more in your life then your ever going to need cpr.
-the 2 shirt thing is just so i dont scrape myself up to much on rocky surfaces.
-yes i know that these falls are dangerour but again i never said to go out and do it just prbly a useful skill

-I've noticed something about this community that if your not a regular and you post people normally disagree with whatever you say. just relise that everyone is different and have different abilities. i can take high impact falls and more thats just me i offered my tid-bit and you criticized me...how are people going to try knew stuff if your always telling them its dangerous and they couldnt and shouldnt do new things? look at David Bella his mother said(yes im talking about that 1 interview) she didnt want him doing all that stuff, worried about his safety, now look at him he can take like 2 story drops with relative ease and high-impact falls as if they were nothing. all im saying is allow others to do and try what they want without to much criticizism a little is good to much is bad.
-I have a challange that when you can take these falls and not get injured  then come back and bitch at people, cause some of us can handle these, you shouldnt criticize unless you can do....how would a vet feel if a newb came up and told them how to do a kong hmmm...they'd be a little offened.
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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #185 on: November 11, 2009, 07:44:17 AM »
Dude, Zayn. You're a moron. Nothing you post ever has any constructive information whatsoever. It has nothing to do with your seniority, or being a "regular". You just don't say anything helpful. Ever. That's why you get criticized.

Nobody said you couldn't "do them with ease", bro. Most of us can do them with ease. But you're destroying your knees. To deny that a fall of 10 ft (much less 20', as you claimed) isn't doing harm to your body is a gross and idiotic underestimation of the power of gravitational force and impact.

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how would a vet feel if a newb came up and told them how to do a kong hmmm...they'd be a little offened.

What? A vet would be offended if a "newb" came up and told him how to do a kong? Offended. Seriously?

Wow. Just... just wow.
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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #186 on: November 11, 2009, 07:48:02 AM »
zayn- no. please... just no.   :o no.

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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #187 on: November 11, 2009, 08:35:06 AM »
Zayn, go get your skinny pants and skateboard, parkour isn't for you.

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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #188 on: November 11, 2009, 08:43:24 AM »
Zayn, go get your skinny pants and skateboard, parkour isn't for you.
thats ignorant for you to say with out knowing me....and i hate skateboarding ;)
-i love the intolerance upon this site its so EDIT retarded :D
-isnt this site suppose to be for everyone to learn? i was bitchin for a reason you, your just a EDIT ;D i really dont care about this site to much anymore...not because of the people but all the same questions and all the same bs....why dont y'all get off the computer and go train???? im barely on i use my time for actuall training (im not saying this site is useless to everyone just to me)  ;)
-thanks for takeing the time to bitch at me :D now go and learn something.............

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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #189 on: November 11, 2009, 08:46:19 AM »
....why dont y'all get off the computer and go train???? im barely on i use my time for actuall training (im not saying this site is useless to everyone just to me)  ;)

if you're always training instead of being on this site, why do you keep replying to this discussion?

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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #190 on: November 11, 2009, 08:47:04 AM »
I'm going to leave this open if we can keep it respectful.

I received a message from Zayn about this thread. Here's my response:

there is too much bs on the site...i understand that i dont really help at all but i log on maybe 1 time a week.....y'all need to let people know that because one person does one thing and posts it it doesnt mean that you should rip on them incase its something that most dont agree with, but instead try to better themselves by having tolernce thats why in the thread you just locked i wasnt really all to worked up over the people commenting on me....i just blew it off.

I know what you mean man. We try to leave the boards open to varying opinions, but sometimes, in the interest of newbies, we have to disagree with some things.

You mentioned David Belle in one of your posts on the thread. My response to your point would be that there is a significant difference between David Belle and beginners nowadays. David Belle was trailblazing. He was not copying videos from YouTube, he was exploring on his own. Because of that, he had to be extra careful. Beginners these days, however, are "guided" by the internet, TV shows, and tons of misrepresentations of parkour. These sources show them what is possible, but often times they do not show what it takes to get to that level.

I feel, as the premier parkour community in the US, it is our responsibility to offset those misrepresentations by offering safe, beneficial advice to the malleable, easily-influenced beginners exploring the site. While we try to allow all opinions to be expressed on the forum, it is the responsibility of those with authority to cleanse the boards of "advice" that may be harmful to beginners.

Don't get me wrong, here. I'm not saying your advice is 100% detrimental to beginners, but in my opinion, it is not the best that could be offered. The misconceiving sources that I referred to earlier often promote big drops and dangerous movements, so on APK, we must present a counter-argument in hopes that beginners listen to us [the experienced parkour community] as opposed to extravagant, showy media that are simply chasing ratings / hits and fat wallets.

my reason for mailing you is to ask if yall could go through the boards and see if you can delete repeated questions...i find that everytime im on people have asked the same thing in another thread titled differently....

I agree with your observation. The problem, however, is that it would simply take too much time to merge every repeat thread together. There is so much information spread out on the boards that deleting repeats would in turn delete a whole lot of useful information.

i cant really learn if its the same thing over and over

I came to the same realization, but that's pretty much how forums like this work. I mean, there's only so many new discussions and new ideas that can be brought up. The forum was strong and diverse for a while, but as time passes, it settles into a groove. Information presented tends to repeat and there are cycles of thread focus. There's not really anything we can do but facilitate new practitioners and offer beneficial advice.

-congrats on the promotion andy  ;D to a global moderator :)

Thanks man ;). I kinda got a little too excited about it and, I admit, abused my powers, but I promise, from now on, that I will do what is most beneficial for the community.
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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #191 on: November 11, 2009, 05:12:30 PM »
Andy's the best. You work hard, man, and you totally do your best. :)

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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #192 on: November 12, 2009, 07:29:25 AM »
Andy's the best. You work hard, man, and you totally do your best. :)

Agreed. Thanks Andy.

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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #193 on: November 12, 2009, 12:59:19 PM »
Andy is the best, agreed.

However, I am going to humbly contribute my two cents to this thread. 
Drops are not a good idea, and I'm speaking from personal experience.  About a week ago, I was an idiot and attempted a drop off of scaffolding onto a crash pad.  I honestly have no clue what the actual height was (Adam McC would scold me for estimating the height of the drop), but if I had to guess, I'd say around 8 feet or so.  I have shin splints from training too hard, too fast, so I should have known better than to do a drop.  When I came down, I was concerned I had broken my legs (I had one of those lovely midair "wtf was I thinking?" moments).  It is not a pleasant feeling, and I realized that my lifelong enjoyment and ability to do parkour far outweigh the momentary "gain" that doing drops gets.  Fortunately, no broken bones as far as I know.  But man, I learned. 
I apologize if I've repeated anything that's been said, but there's my thoughts on the matter. 
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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #194 on: November 26, 2009, 03:56:39 AM »
how high is 15 feet?
like 4 metres or something.

thats not that high, but your body is not ready for that.

build up to it and come back in 6 months time.
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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #195 on: November 26, 2009, 07:30:13 AM »
15 feet is 4.5 meters. That is pretty high. I'd wait much longer than 6 months. I'd wait until you literally have to. :)

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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #196 on: November 26, 2009, 10:51:20 AM »
just saw this thread....gotta say; its four months old and people are still telling people NOT to do the drops

its quite obvious you shouldnt, now i didnt read any more than the first page, but i doubt anything is being said that hasnt already.... if anyone is still thinking of doing drops than youre dumb, but its your choice, so feel free to put yourself into a wheelchair by 40....



(sorry if im out of context, like i said i read the first page, then adams post, and it seems like this thread probably has the same info repeated on EVERY one of its 14 pages...)


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read down a bit (on the "topic summary" thing) before posting this.... i have to say you guys are being a bit harsh to zayn, everyone makes mistakes, and some people see things differently... it surprises me that you guys were so nice to the OP about taking this fall (at least courteous in your negativity) but now you guys are being flat out MEAN to zayn even though hes saying the same thing. i realize no one should take drops unless its absolutely NEEDED but it is their choice, and everyone always says "parkour is your own journey"...

ive been on this site since april, and this community has always been full of good advice, nice words, and amazing people, but lately some people have been going off a little too much...

 
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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #197 on: November 27, 2009, 10:53:33 AM »
I understand where you're coming from.

Did you read my post on the last page, btw? I think that will clear up some things.
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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #198 on: November 27, 2009, 01:21:37 PM »
im sorry i also just realized (because names are hard to see in the topic summary) that the guy who restarted everything after it being calmed down was mr natevd, the obvious troll....where the thread he started was a few pages full of people more experienced telling him hes wrong, yet he said "no u are!"....

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Re: 10-15 foot Drops....
« Reply #199 on: November 28, 2009, 02:23:10 AM »
Gotta love them trolls.

Also, if You wanna see a video of an inexperienced traceur taking a 15 foot drop, I have one on my phone. We were downtown, and everyone was jumping off a stairwell of a bridge. He landed, his legs crumpled to the ground, and he smacked his head on the ground. He got up, and sort of fell back down, a bit dazed.
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